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Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 5:40:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nothing offends a knuckle dragging leftist more than giving a horridly oppressed people a shot at self governance


I am sure the Cherokee agree.


Leftists such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin... Had zero respect for indigenous peoples

So you started with nothing and made a fool of yourself




Thegunnysez -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 5:59:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nothing offends a knuckle dragging leftist more than giving a horridly oppressed people a shot at self governance


I am sure the Cherokee agree.


Leftists such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin... Had zero respect for indigenous peoples

So you started with nothing and made a fool of yourself


Your connection of Jackson to Hitler is prescient.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 6:07:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Your connection of Jackson to Hitler is prescient.


Was anyone from Jacksons time a leftist of a conservative, by todays standards

No

You are continuing to make a fool of yourself




Thegunnysez -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 8:29:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Your connection of Jackson to Hitler is prescient.


Was anyone from Jacksons time a leftist of a conservative, by todays standards

No

You are continuing to make a fool of yourself


It would be less than rational to suppose that conservative and liberal are terms that could not be applied to any government at any time in history. Not recognizing this is foolish.




cloudboy -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 9:30:59 AM)

It's like arguing with a drawstring doll.



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NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 11:21:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nothing offends a knuckle dragging leftist more than giving a horridly oppressed people a shot at self governance


I am sure the Cherokee agree.


Leftists such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin... Had zero respect for indigenous peoples

So you started with nothing and made a fool of yourself



Hitler left-wing?

This is the great waste with you Sanity, you have no idea what left-wing is and yet you spend an inordinate amount of time pontificating about 'leftists'.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 2:26:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Your connection of Jackson to Hitler is prescient.


Was anyone from Jacksons time a leftist of a conservative, by todays standards

No

You are continuing to make a fool of yourself


It would be less than rational to suppose that conservative and liberal are terms that could not be applied to any government at any time in history. Not recognizing this is foolish.


Marxism hadn't been invented yet, dumbass

And Jackson was a Democrat besides

It's like arguing with rocks around here




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 2:30:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nothing offends a knuckle dragging leftist more than giving a horridly oppressed people a shot at self governance


I am sure the Cherokee agree.


Leftists such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin... Had zero respect for indigenous peoples

So you started with nothing and made a fool of yourself



Hitler left-wing?

This is the great waste with you Sanity, you have no idea what left-wing is and yet you spend an inordinate amount of time pontificating about 'leftists'.



It's been edtablished time and ah in on these threads that yes

The Nationalist SOCIALISTS... Were leftists




Thegunnysez -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 2:49:02 PM)

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It would be less than rational to suppose that conservative and liberal are terms that could not be applied to any government at any time in history. Not recognizing this is foolish.



Marxism hadn't been invented yet, dumbass


Why is Marxism a necessary ingredient for conservative/liberal paradigm?

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And Jackson was a Democrat besides


I am sure you would agree that party affiliation has little to do with the character of miscreants. Just as you so presciently alluded to the removal policies of Jackson vis-a-vis the Cherokee and Hitler's genocide. I believe I read someplace that Hitler studied the U.S. "Indian Policy" with great care while planing his "Final Solution".

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It's like arguing with rocks around here


Isn't that exactly what Jesus called his bff Peter?




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 4:20:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Hitler left-wing?

This is the great waste with you Sanity, you have no idea what left-wing is and yet you spend an inordinate amount of time pontificating about 'leftists'.



He is under the delusion voting for Thatcher makes me left wing. Not only cant he tell left from right, but arse from elbow.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 4:31:32 PM)

Sure, youre on the right... Of Stalin perhaps

Just barely

Maybe




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 4:42:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Sure, youre on the right... Of Stalin perhaps

Just barely

Maybe


Dont attack me for pointing out your absurdities. You are too fucking thick to see Hitler hijacked the name National Socialist German Workers Party. Do you think the Peoples Democratic Republic of China, or even North Korea is actually democratic ?




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/25/2015 6:12:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Sure, youre on the right... Of Stalin perhaps

Just barely

Maybe


Dont attack me for pointing out your absurdities. You are too fucking thick to see Hitler hijacked the name National Socialist German Workers Party. Do you think the Peoples Democratic Republic of China, or even North Korea is actually democratic ?



You need to grow some thicker skin gramps

You think that's an attack?




NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 3:07:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

quote:

Nothing offends a knuckle dragging leftist more than giving a horridly oppressed people a shot at self governance


I am sure the Cherokee agree.


Leftists such as Hitler, Mao, Stalin... Had zero respect for indigenous peoples

So you started with nothing and made a fool of yourself



Hitler left-wing?

This is the great waste with you Sanity, you have no idea what left-wing is and yet you spend an inordinate amount of time pontificating about 'leftists'.



It's been edtablished time and ah in on these threads that yes

The Nationalist SOCIALISTS... Were leftists



No, Sanity. It has been proposed by you and on the odd occasion when people can be bothered they have shown how and why the Nazis were right wing.

Problem being that you know very little about the policies that underpinned the Nazis, nor the history of Germany in the 19th century, whence Hitler borrowed some of his ideas. Not only Germany mind you, he was a bit of a fan of Darwin.

Except Hitler and associated petty criminals, street thugs and out-and-out social misfits, weren't bright enough to understand what Darwin was saying, who at no point said or claimed life was a 'survival of the fittest'; just as you are not bright enough to understand that genetics underpinned the Nazi Party's views nor that the philosophical spokesman for the Nazis, was a conservative farmer from Bavaria or somewhere and one of the reasons he joined the Nazi Party was because he despised Liberalism, nor that time and time again the enemy was seen as Communism - that's from the horse's mouth.

The 'socialist' within the full title, did not signal what you think. It simply referred the Nazi belief that the individual must be subordinate to the state for the good of Germany. Put another way: it meant an authoritarian regime. Can be left or right, but the trick is to look at what underpinned their policies: genetics.

You have been told this time and time again. Upon such education, free too so where's your gratitude?, you have no response and instead you come back at a later date to repeat the same mistakes.

That's the definition of someone pontificating about something of which he/she knows little and has absolutely no intention of learning something new when corrected.

Why on earth you keep rabbiting on about left-wing when you clearly do now know what left wing is, is beyond me. My conclusion is that you are undoubtedly someone's sock. No one could unintentionally be so obtuse.






Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 5:49:16 AM)


Again, for the droolers too broke to pay attention (this has been presented before):

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[img]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/billflax/files/2011/09/300px-Hitler_and_Mussolini_June_1940.jpg[/img]

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, Nazis fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/




tweakabelle -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 6:30:10 AM)

As can be seen from the evidence he posted in support of the lunatic proposal that fascism is a left wing, not a right wing phenomenon, Sanity's claim relies on the 'analysis' of one Bill Flax (I've never heard of him either!). Sanity finds Mr Flax's case so compelling that he ignores the work of every reputable political scientist and historian this century and last, who unanimously find fascism to be an exclusively right wing ideology.

So what are Mr. Flax's credentials? Here is his bio from the Forbes site:
"I am a Christian, a patriot and a defender of liberty who tries to keep a sense of humor through the madness. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio and work in the banking industry. I'm blessed with a beautiful wife who homeschools our three children. It has become evident Washington now embodies the gravest threat to freedom. We must restore the vision of the founders before it is too late. This prompted me to begin writing. In addition to Forbes, my work has appeared on American Thinker, RealClearReligion and elsewhere. I'm also a contributing writer for The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/

His only relevant qualification appears to be that he "works in the banking industry", though one could be forgiven for asking " ...as a janitor????" given the profound lack of erudition or anything that might fall within a million miles of scholarship in Mr Flax's workpolemics. There is nothing to suggest that he is anything more than just another looney Right religious ultra conservative, much like Sanity himself, which is probably why Sanity finds his 'analysis' so compelling.

So if you locate yourself in the same ideological cuckoo-land that Sanity does, Mr Flax's workpolemics might have some appeal providing of course that you don't think about them too deeply or too much. If you inhabit the real world, then Mr Flax's workpolemics are something you will probably leave for the exclusive use of the looney Right. A word of warning though - it's difficult not to laugh at the infantile level of the work involved so unless you are confident of keeping a straight face, it might be best to ignore Mr Flax and his dubious polemics completely, otherwise you might hurt poor Sanity's feelings. And we all know how sensitive a towering intellectual colossus like Sanity can be .......




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 7:41:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

As can be seen from the evidence he posted in support of the lunatic proposal that fascism is a left wing, not a right wing phenomenon, Sanity's claim relies on the 'analysis' of one Bill Flax (I've never heard of him either!). Sanity finds Mr Flax's case so compelling that he ignores the work of every reputable political scientist and historian this century and last, who unanimously find fascism to be an exclusively right wing ideology.

So what are Mr. Flax's credentials? Here is his bio from the Forbes site:
"I am a Christian, a patriot and a defender of liberty who tries to keep a sense of humor through the madness. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio and work in the banking industry. I'm blessed with a beautiful wife who homeschools our three children. It has become evident Washington now embodies the gravest threat to freedom. We must restore the vision of the founders before it is too late. This prompted me to begin writing. In addition to Forbes, my work has appeared on American Thinker, RealClearReligion and elsewhere. I'm also a contributing writer for The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/

His only relevant qualification appears to be that he "works in the banking industry", though one could be forgiven for asking " ...as a janitor????" given the profound lack of erudition or anything that might fall within a million miles of scholarship in Mr Flax's workpolemics. There is nothing to suggest that he is anything more than just another looney Right religious ultra conservative, much like Sanity himself, which is probably why Sanity finds his 'analysis' so compelling.

So if you locate yourself in the same ideological cuckoo-land that Sanity does, Mr Flax's workpolemics might have some appeal providing of course that you don't think about them too deeply or too much. If you inhabit the real world, then Mr Flax's workpolemics are something you will probably leave for the exclusive use of the looney Right. A word of warning though - it's difficult not to laugh at the infantile level of the work involved so unless you are confident of keeping a straight face, it might be best to ignore Mr Flax and his dubious polemics completely, otherwise you might hurt poor Sanity's feelings. And we all know how sensitive a towering intellectual colossus like Sanity can be .......


Pick a leftist on this board, any leftist

Odds are good that the very best that individual can do to defend his or her batshit crazy narrative du jour by means of "debate" is launch ad hominem attacks or derail or engage in some other similar form of trollishness as that




JVoV -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 7:45:30 AM)

Oh I'm game.




Thegunnysez -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 7:46:52 AM)

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Pick a leftist on this board, any leftist

Odds are good that the very best that individual can do to defend his or her batshit crazy narrative du jour by means of "debate" is launch ad hominem attacks or derail or engage in some other similar form of trollishness as that


Pick a fascist on this board, any fascist.


Odds are good that the very best that individual can do to defend his or her batshit crazy narrative du jour by means of "debate" is launch ad hominem attacks or derail or engage in some other similar form of trollishness as that.




NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/26/2015 10:12:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Again, for the droolers too broke to pay attention (this has been presented before):

quote:

[img]http://blogs-images.forbes.com/billflax/files/2011/09/300px-Hitler_and_Mussolini_June_1940.jpg[/img]

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, Nazis fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/



Sanity, can you not think for yourself? Do you have to plagiarise someone's views and simply copy and paste?

The bloke who has written what you have copied is monumentally devoid of any claim to an understanding of European history.

I'm gobsmacked that he can believe it, particularly the part which says something like: "they were natural bedfellows but Germany betrayed Russia in WW1 which caused the divide".

A cursory glance at Russo-Germans relations would lead you to instantly conclude otherwise, well, not you, because you're waiting to copy someone else's views.

The Nazis believed Communism was a 'weak' ideology because it placed emphasis on solidarity among the working classes from all over the world. In complete contrast, the Nazis believed that genetics meant the German 'race', if there is a such a thing, I can't get too excited about what blood you have; was superior to everything else.

You must see the obvious contrast, even you barely reaching the intelligence of a burrow owl.

One emphasised the historical differences between races; the other emphasised the historical difference between classes.

You must see how these two views are diametrically opposed?

The bloke whom you've copied is not someone you should place too much trust in assuming he genuinely believes the Nazis and Communists were really in agreement, personally I think he's making game in the article and not being serious at all.

The reason people such as Hindenburg, Ludendorff and a few other high profile German conservatives were in agreement that the Nazis should take power, is that although they all saw him as a uncouth, jumped up idiot; they were prepared to suffer him providing he kept the communists away from power. Like them, the Nazis believed in a strong, powerful Germany; whereas the communists believed in solidarity among the working classes of all nations, which the Nazis and assorted German conservatives believed could only ever weaken Germany.

It's a bit like, you, Sanity, and your views on 'leftists'. That's what Hitler thought of communists. He saw them as a threat to Germany being a 'strong' nation.






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