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KenDckey -> RE: Birthright citizenship, what's happened to the repubs ? (9/3/2015 7:38:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Yes, but citizenship hadn't been granted yet, so there can be no renunciation.


Renunciation takes place when the parents cross the boarder. Citizenship begins at birth for the child.

cite please


The 14th ammendment to the U.S. Constitution

I added it for you



Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]




Now again which section says that once you cross an international boundry that you are automatically granted citizenship or renounce the country or countries that you have come from/through




Thegunnysez -> RE: Birthright citizenship, what's happened to the repubs ? (9/3/2015 7:54:01 AM)

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Now again which section says that once you cross an international boundry that you are automatically granted citizenship or renounce the country or countries that you have come from/through


The 14th ammendment speaks to citizenship of those born in this country.
The renunciation of citizenship is pirma facia when someone comes here with no intention of returning to their country of origin. Why would you think that was in the 14th ammendment?




KenDckey -> RE: Birthright citizenship, what's happened to the repubs ? (9/3/2015 8:19:09 AM)

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Thegunnysez

Renunciation takes place when the parents cross the boarder


I asked for a cite and you said the 14th Amendment. I then provided it for you and asked again. I never thought it was in the 14th Amendment You are the one who stated so.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Birthright citizenship, what's happened to the repubs ? (9/3/2015 8:29:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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Thegunnysez

Renunciation takes place when the parents cross the boarder


I asked for a cite and you said the 14th Amendment. I then provided it for you and asked again. I never thought it was in the 14th Amendment You are the one who stated so.


Let me take this moment to tell you as clearly as possible that the 14th amendment does not identify the motives of the parents of the child who is born here. That you would conflate my answer to mean so would speak to your motives in this discussion.




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