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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/1/2015 9:16:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		As an elected official, she can't be fired, and it looks like impeachment would have to wait until the state legislature is back in session.

Looks like she'll be back in court on Thursday.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/1/2015 3:23:07 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/clerk-issue-gay-marriage-licenses-court-ruling-083217111.html

This article contained a tidbit I hadn't seen before: "Davis has said four deputies share her beliefs, one was ambiguous and one had no problem licensing same-sex marriages." So why not have the "no problem" deputy issue the licenses?

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/1/2015 4:01:00 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/clerk-issue-gay-marriage-licenses-court-ruling-083217111.html

This article contained a tidbit I hadn't seen before: "Davis has said four deputies share her beliefs, one was ambiguous and one had no problem licensing same-sex marriages." So why not have the "no problem" deputy issue the licenses?


That would be the sensible thing to do.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/1/2015 10:18:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gotta go to Dan Savage here:

I would say I can't wait for a Muslim county clerk in, say, Dearborn, Michigan (which has a huge Muslim community), to refuse to issue a marriage license to a Christian couple on the grounds that the this kafir couple hasn't been paying jizya... but that's not going to happen. Religious minorities in this country intuitively understand that to empower religious bigots like Davis is to paint bullseyes on their own backs. So the Jesus-freak goons at the Liberty Counsel know they can continue to frame discrimination as a "religious freedom" because they're confident that American Christians will be the ones doing the discriminating, not suffering from it.

and...

I say this with sadness, I say this as the son of a preacher, I say this as a former seminarian: This pathetic bullshit is what passes for Christianity in America today. Thanks to the efforts of hate groups like the American Family Association, the Family Research Council (co-founded by a tortured closet case and lately the employer of a kid-diddling serial adulterer), the 700 Club, the Moral Majority, the National Organization for Marriage, the National Association of Evangelicals, etc., and the mousy, near-complicit silence of left-wing and progressive Christians, "Christian" is now synonymous with "anti-gay bigot."

About Kim Davis in particular:

The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008. She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried.

!!!!

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/09/01/22793219/i-suppose-i-should-say-something-about-kim-davis

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 3:53:39 AM   
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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 3:58:49 AM   
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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 5:25:03 AM   
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you wish she would understand she understood she was wrong...and change her mind.
ok, wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first.



Yes but it's better than sitting around crowing about how happy you are that there are still ignorant bigots in the world like head in the clouds boy is doing.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 5:32:17 AM   
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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 5:48:30 AM   
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you wish she would understand she understood she was wrong...and change her mind.
ok, wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first.



Yes but it's better than sitting around crowing about how happy you are that there are still ignorant bigots in the world like head in the clouds boy is doing.

just seems that you are after cloud for not agreeing with YOU...
as usual.


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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 5:50:11 AM   
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Is there a leggal limit on how long a judge can lock up someone for contempt of court? I see her doing a life sentence and owing the government more money than her and her great great great great grandchildren could ever pay. Principle can outweigh other consideratios at times.

I think she is trying to martyr herself.
I doubt she will get much of anything.
I hope she loses her job.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 5:58:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe there is much doubt about that Lucy. But, since she is elected it will be a while. Also seems the office might well (at least for the most part) too.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 6:02:42 AM   
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Gotta go to Dan Savage here:

I would say I can't wait for a Muslim county clerk in, say, Dearborn, Michigan (which has a huge Muslim community), to refuse to issue a marriage license to a Christian couple on the grounds that the this kafir couple hasn't been paying jizya... but that's not going to happen. Religious minorities in this country intuitively understand that to empower religious bigots like Davis is to paint bullseyes on their own backs. So the Jesus-freak goons at the Liberty Counsel know they can continue to frame discrimination as a "religious freedom" because they're confident that American Christians will be the ones doing the discriminating, not suffering from it.

and...

I say this with sadness, I say this as the son of a preacher, I say this as a former seminarian: This pathetic bullshit is what passes for Christianity in America today. Thanks to the efforts of hate groups like the American Family Association, the Family Research Council (co-founded by a tortured closet case and lately the employer of a kid-diddling serial adulterer), the 700 Club, the Moral Majority, the National Organization for Marriage, the National Association of Evangelicals, etc., and the mousy, near-complicit silence of left-wing and progressive Christians, "Christian" is now synonymous with "anti-gay bigot."

About Kim Davis in particular:

The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008. She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried.

!!!!

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/09/01/22793219/i-suppose-i-should-say-something-about-kim-davis


Apparently, the blogger cloudboy steals his cut-and-paste preaching from doesnt know what an outlier is...

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 6:07:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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Is there a leggal limit on how long a judge can lock up someone for contempt of court? I see her doing a life sentence and owing the government more money than her and her great great great great grandchildren could ever pay. Principle can outweigh other consideratios at times.

I think she is trying to martyr herself.
I doubt she will get much of anything.
I hope she loses her job.


And martyrs are bad evil people now, right?

How many did this one kill, maim, and torture

(Fucking drama queen)

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 6:33:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Is there a leggal limit on how long a judge can lock up someone for contempt of court? I see her doing a life sentence and owing the government more money than her and her great great great great grandchildren could ever pay. Principle can outweigh other consideratios at times.

I think she is trying to martyr herself.
I doubt she will get much of anything.
I hope she loses her job.


And martyrs are bad evil people now, right?

How many did this one kill, maim, and torture

(Fucking drama queen)

Fucking moron who doesnt understand what martyr is
One who willingly accepts being put to death for adhering openly to one's religious beliefs;
One who sacrifices his or her life, station, or something of great personal value, for the sake of principle or to sustain a cause.
(with a prepositional phrase of cause) One who suffers greatly and/or constantly, even involuntarily.

NOT SOMEONE who kills people ..you noxious bellend

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 6:47:07 AM   
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Can't believe you've never heard of Dan Savage, but O wait, to even know who he is you'd have to............ drum roll.......... read.

The point he makes is about Christianity -- and for Far Right Christians, 4 Four Supreme Court Justices, and American Family Association, the Family Research Council (co-founded by a tortured closet case and lately the employer of a kid-diddling serial adulterer), the 700 Club, the Moral Majority, the National Organization for Marriage, the National Association of Evangelicals, ---- she's not an outlier in either her beliefs or hypocrisy.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 7:25:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Is there a leggal limit on how long a judge can lock up someone for contempt of court? I see her doing a life sentence and owing the government more money than her and her great great great great grandchildren could ever pay. Principle can outweigh other consideratios at times.

I think she is trying to martyr herself.
I doubt she will get much of anything.
I hope she loses her job.


According to today's Chicago Tribune, Ms. Davis is paid $80,000/year as the county clerk.
Also, since county clerk is an elected position, she cannot be summarily fired. She can only be removed as a result of impeachment by the state legislature, which is currently on summer vacation.

The article also stated that rather than be given jail time, the judge should order her to forfeit her salary for whatever time period during which she has failed and continues to fail to perform the duties of her office.


Finally, from an email received from a friend earlier this morning:

"To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience."

Which "God's definition" is she talking about? In Genesis, Abraham had a concubine. King Solomon had 700 wives. In western Europe before the Reformation, people could get married in secret without clergy present, and there was no divorce. In the Middle Ages one could not marry within four degrees of relation, which was changed to seven, and then back to four in 1215. Before the 13th century, priests could marry, then they couldn't. After the Reformation, both Protestants and Catholics required church weddings and began to more strictly regulate the institution. Catholics maintained that marriage was a sacrament, Protestants did not.

Basically, what "God's definition" for marriage is has always been contentious, without any consensus whatsoever, even within particular religious denominations. Perhaps it's because marriage is actually an inherently social institution.

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 7:37:07 AM   
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You find happiness in the strangest situations. Personally I would have been happier if she had finally understood why she was wrong and changed. But for some reason you are glad that she didn't. Of course if everyone suddenly understood why they should live their own lives and let gays do the same, you wouldn't have anyone to hate on and sometimes it seems like you live to hate on others. Must suck to live with that kind of anger 24/7.


Please help me out here. Isn't his anger directed at the haters that hate you?

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 7:39:30 AM   
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this kafir couple hasn't been paying jizya



Jizya....such an evocative word?????

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 7:48:39 AM   
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Is there a leggal limit on how long a judge can lock up someone for contempt of court? I see her doing a life sentence and owing the government more money than her and her great great great great grandchildren could ever pay. Principle can outweigh other consideratios at times.



A 73 year-old Philadelphia lawyer walked out of prison July 10 after serving 14 years for contempt of court -- the longest term ever served for contempt.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=8101209

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RE: Sore Loser -- Can't face the future - 9/2/2015 7:55:26 AM   
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Finally, from an email received from a friend earlier this morning:

"To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience."


What about the part that says "what God has joined together let no man set asunder". She has put God's joining together asunder so many times she has rice marks in her face.

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