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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 5:27:13 PM   
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Alright BOY Here is an example of why I don't post much from them. And yes I do post, but mostly from McClatchey broadcasting

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-tank-runs-over-man-20150824-story.html

Agreed this is tragic, but I didn't see a tank anywhere. I did see some full tracked vehicles but not a tank. If it has tracks it isn't a tank. I felt it was sensationalism journalism because of the weapons on the property. I'd like to have some of the vehicles. would be great for navigating the desert.


Apparently it actually was an M5A1 Tank, not the M5 anti-tank gun. I stand corrected. Didn't see a pic of it.

http://popularmilitary.com/man-killed-by-ww-ii-tank-in-freak-accident/

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 5:29:05 PM   
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Point of order btw

Knuckledragging leftists are loathe to admit anything that doesnt fit their narrative... But McCarthy has been proven correct, re the Soviet infiltration of the American government

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Joseph McCarthy

Joe McCarthy (Joseph Raymond McCarthy, November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was a two-term Republican United States Senator from Wisconsin. He dominated the anti-communist movement in the United States, 1950-54, until his career receded after censure by the Senate. "McCarthyism" is the aggressive exposure of Communist influences in America and the people who protect them.

Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public figure to object to Communist infiltration of the United States government. A 1954 Gallup poll found that Joe McCarthy was the fourth on its list of most admired men.[1] He is now considered an American hero by many, though liberals still seek to tarnish his name.

He was noted for claiming that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers, engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the United States, inside the federal government. He was proven correct by government documents and inquiry, including decrypted Venona files.

McCarthy lost support in 1953 when he started attacking the U.S. Army and suggesting that Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower was protecting subversives. Eisenhower signaled Republicans to stop his attacks on the Army. Although McCarthy had strong support among Catholics, such as Joe Kennedy, in 1954 the Senate censured him on charges of attacking fellow Senators; this caused his influence to collapse abruptly.

The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.


Isn't that the goal of leftists? Just askin

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:06:19 PM   
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The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:22:32 PM   
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Point of order btw

Knuckledragging leftists are loathe to admit anything that doesnt fit their narrative... But McCarthy has been proven correct, re the Soviet infiltration of the American government

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Joseph McCarthy

Joe McCarthy (Joseph Raymond McCarthy, November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was a two-term Republican United States Senator from Wisconsin. He dominated the anti-communist movement in the United States, 1950-54, until his career receded after censure by the Senate. "McCarthyism" is the aggressive exposure of Communist influences in America and the people who protect them.

Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public figure to object to Communist infiltration of the United States government. A 1954 Gallup poll found that Joe McCarthy was the fourth on its list of most admired men.[1] He is now considered an American hero by many, though liberals still seek to tarnish his name.

He was noted for claiming that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers, engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the United States, inside the federal government. He was proven correct by government documents and inquiry, including decrypted Venona files.

McCarthy lost support in 1953 when he started attacking the U.S. Army and suggesting that Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower was protecting subversives. Eisenhower signaled Republicans to stop his attacks on the Army. Although McCarthy had strong support among Catholics, such as Joe Kennedy, in 1954 the Senate censured him on charges of attacking fellow Senators; this caused his influence to collapse abruptly.

The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.


Isn't that the goal of leftists? Just askin

The term McCarthyism refers to the idea of smearing people by association. Clinton once stated that anyone who favored tax cuts and smaller government was promoting domestic terrorism. For example I used to work with a guy who insisted that anyone who favored any tax reduction was the same as people who refused to pay taxes. Anyone who disagrees with the most exalted president Obama on anything is automatically a racist. We have a person on this thread who insists that anyone who decries lawlessness in the inner city and the mass murder of blacks by other blacks somehow is automatically giving a pass for the lynchings of blacks by whites 100 years ago.
The true facts do not matter, discrediting people who you disagree with does.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:27:00 PM   
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Yeah He was a bit overly agressive at times, I do agree. Was never in favor of the tactic, just seems to me that what they are doing in the cite is the same thing. One man has an opinion and the entire company should be punished sorta thing. Regardless of whether you agree with the opinion or not, he is entitled to it.

added cite for you to shoot at should you so choose. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/17/chick-fil-a-dan-cathy-gay-marriage_n_4980682.html

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:44:49 PM   
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Yeah He was a bit overly agressive at times, I do agree.


The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:47:57 PM   
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We have a person on this thread who insists that anyone who decries lawlessness in the inner city and the mass murder of blacks by other blacks somehow is automatically giving a pass for the lynchings of blacks by whites 100 years ago.


I believe your math is faulty. 1981 was not 100 years ago.





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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 6:59:53 PM   
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We have a person on this thread who insists that anyone who decries lawlessness in the inner city and the mass murder of blacks by other blacks somehow is automatically giving a pass for the lynchings of blacks by whites 100 years ago.


There is a person on this thread who insists that anyone who decries lawlessness and the mass murder of whites by other whites somehow is trying to obfuscate the difference between white on white murders vs. black on black murders with racism.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 8:06:43 PM   
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Yeah He was a bit overly agressive at times, I do agree.


The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.
You did notice that term 'occasionally', right? Not 'always' or even 'usually' but rather, 'occasionally'.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 8:38:39 PM   
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You did notice that term 'occasionally', right? Not 'always' or even 'usually' but rather, 'occasionally'.


Some have a problem with those who occasionally lie...obviously some do not.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 9:30:36 PM   
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You did notice that term 'occasionally', right? Not 'always' or even 'usually' but rather, 'occasionally'.


Some have a problem with those who occasionally lie...obviously some do not.
Then you must have a problem with every person in elected office.

Do I have a problem with his extremism and his occasional underhand tactics? Yes. Do I have a problem with what he was trying to accomplish? No.


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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 9:48:30 PM   
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Then you must have a problem with every person in elected office.


Some have a problem with those who occasionally lie...obviously some do not.

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Yes. Do I have a problem with what he was trying to accomplish? No.


What, precisely ,was he trying to accomplish?

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/25/2015 11:25:44 PM   
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You did notice that term 'occasionally', right? Not 'always' or even 'usually' but rather, 'occasionally'.


Some have a problem with those who occasionally lie...obviously some do not.
Then you must have a problem with every person in elected office.

Do I have a problem with his extremism and his occasional underhand tactics? Yes. Do I have a problem with what he was trying to accomplish? No.


And when the Soviet Union "fell" the KGB files were opened up and it turned out that he was basically right, his tactics were wrong but his intent was right.
Little known fact, when he went overboard he had brain cancer which eventually killed him. This could have affected his judgement of proper behavior.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 2:34:43 AM   
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Point of order btw

Knuckledragging leftists are loathe to admit anything that doesnt fit their narrative... But McCarthy has been proven correct, re the Soviet infiltration of the American government

quote:


Joseph McCarthy

Joe McCarthy (Joseph Raymond McCarthy, November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was a two-term Republican United States Senator from Wisconsin. He dominated the anti-communist movement in the United States, 1950-54, until his career receded after censure by the Senate. "McCarthyism" is the aggressive exposure of Communist influences in America and the people who protect them.

Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public figure to object to Communist infiltration of the United States government. A 1954 Gallup poll found that Joe McCarthy was the fourth on its list of most admired men.[1] He is now considered an American hero by many, though liberals still seek to tarnish his name.

He was noted for claiming that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers, engaged in a conspiracy to undermine the United States, inside the federal government. He was proven correct by government documents and inquiry, including decrypted Venona files.

McCarthy lost support in 1953 when he started attacking the U.S. Army and suggesting that Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower was protecting subversives. Eisenhower signaled Republicans to stop his attacks on the Army. Although McCarthy had strong support among Catholics, such as Joe Kennedy, in 1954 the Senate censured him on charges of attacking fellow Senators; this caused his influence to collapse abruptly.

The term "McCarthyism" was coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's aggressive attempts to ferret out suspects, occasionally in the absence of evidence.


I don't really give a shit about 1950's polls that were inflamed by a cynical manipulation of public opinion. To the extent there were any communists in the American govt., they were the people to go after and only with probable cause to believe they were acting against the US govt.

McCarthy made no secret of his desire for the white house and instead went after media people and celebrities, even collaborating with Hoover and the FBI to blackball many of them and who were only suspects, almost all of whom had no ties to the American communist party or any of its efforts or the alleged communists in govt.

To follow your partisan reasoning, it is the right of this country then and since who merely seek votes, influence and power through the manipulation of propaganda, innuendo and blatantly false charges with McCarthy as their poster boy at the time. Even William F. Buckley had to eventually and publicly, denounce the John Birch Society

Even still, the John Birch Society was and is another (arriving in 1958 financed then and now by the Koch bros. and predecessors) as radicals, spreading more anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-compromise, and opposed to taxes in all forms and appearances. Today, the Bircher billionaires' agenda is not the mainstream Republican businessmen's agenda.

The Koch family (historically) helped found the John Birch Society. They have financed Birchers since 1984 and remain the prime backers for these Bircher Republicans. They assure that JBS ideological slogans and xenophobic paranoia and the above tripe, define Bircher campaigns.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 3:06:38 AM   
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And here I thought that this was a discussion on the practices in Denver and not the 1950s

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 3:24:38 AM   
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And here I thought that this was a discussion on the practices in Denver and not the 1950s

.....except as described by the OP as something called 'leftist McCarthyism.' One could just as easily describe 1/2 of what passes as what is written today about left wing issues as...rightist McCarthyism.

In essence, because it is far too easy to toss out these ad hominem political distinctions, one must take issue with it.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 3:32:26 AM   
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I was using it as a metaphor for guilt by thought/belief/action

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 5:22:46 AM   
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We're talking about what amounts to a government contract. Discussing controversies the business has attracted that may effect the city's interests or reputation negatively seems important.

How difficult would it have been for the company to send an attorney or a representative to this meeting as a show of good faith to answer any questions about how the company treats its gay employees. Are legally married same sex partners eligible for the same benefits as 'traditional' spouses, or does ChikFilA believe that they have precedence with the Hobby Lobby decision to deny legally married same sex couples equal benefits?

It's a valid concern, considering the controversy.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 7:11:36 AM   
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And when the Soviet Union "fell" the KGB files were opened up and it turned out that he was basically right, his tactics were wrong but his intent was right.


Cite please.

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RE: Leftist McCarthyism - 8/26/2015 7:13:01 AM   
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Little known fact, when he went overboard he had brain cancer which eventually killed him. This could have affected his judgement of proper behavior.


Are you saying that makes it all OK?

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