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Lucylastic -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 10:16:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CarpeComa quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic OP??? Who is banning companies? what company has been banned? Explicitly? Prostitution (most places) Uber Liquor stores (dry counties) Anything that would compete with state-established monopolies, such as: Mail service Cable (in most places) Utilities (in a lot of places) Implicitly banned businesses are harder to identify. A lot of businesses exist at the whims of local boards and regulators. It's difficult to point to one specifically because if they are banned by regulators, they simply cease to exist (or never exist in the first place) and if banned by a local board, it’s usually done before being opened. These bannings tend to be very quiet as for most businesses a new location isn't worth a drag out fight with the local board. Wal-Mart and Chick-fil-a have been publicized targets for being prevented from opening local stores. Anything ‘adult’ oriented is another frequent target. Then there are issues where a business hasn’t been totally banned, but complying with the existing law is prohibitively complicated/expensive which effectively bans the business. Why can’t I get beer delivered with my pizza? Because it has been effectively banned by regulation. Ive addressed this before. THis is NOT a discussion of adult and illegal activities, drugs, prostitution (which I hasten to add are regulated because of largely morals/obscenity). And have been "banned" for decades, NOT suddenly. ANd certainly not because of what has been happening since gay marriage was announced. We can discuss actually severely regulated businesses all day, I ran one for 11 years. I can get beer delivered with my pizza, altho I dont drink. Yet, our liquor and beer stores are run by the govmnt.

Sanity -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 10:18:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CarpeComa Oh, and lets not forget strangulation techniques like Operation Choke Point, which will shut a business down by fiat without requiring any of those irritating things like following the law or due process. I had forgotten about that: quote: Operation Choke Point From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Operation Choke Point is an initiative of the United States Department of Justice that was announced in 2013,[1] which is investigating banks in the United States and the business they do with payment processors, payday lenders, and other companies believed to be at higher risk for fraud and money laundering. This operation, disclosed in August 2013 Wall Street Journal story [2] has been accused of bypassing due process.; the government is pressuring the financial industry to cut off the companies' access to banking services, without first having shown that the targeted companies are violating the law.[3][4][5][6] As reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, critics believe "it's a thinly veiled ideological attack on industries the Obama administration doesn't like, such as gun sellers and coal producers."[7] I have a buddy, who owns a legal gunsmithing business. The banks shut down his ability to take credit cards because of that, though he was able to find a workaround. There is another banking business that was set up specifically in response to the Obama regimes' scheme that he was able to use

CarpeComa -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 10:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Ive addressed this before. THis is NOT a discussion of adult and illegal activities, drugs, prostitution (which I hasten to add are regulated because of largely morals/obscenity). And have been "banned" for decades, NOT suddenly. ANd certainly not because of what has been happening since gay marriage was announced. You have said no such thing in this thread. The fights around gay marriage are primarily because of what people consider to be morals/obscenity, so other businesses banned under the same auspices seems quite relevant. You don't get to throw out all the examples just because you don't like that they exist. Even considering your sudden restriction, Chick-Fil-A, Wal-Mart, and Uber all all valid examples. Bitcoin processing was recently chased out of New York. These haven't been banned because of being gay unfriendly (except for Chick-Fil-A), just for being unpopular with the powers that be. quote: I can get beer delivered with my pizza, altho I dont drink. Yet, our liquor and beer stores are run by the govmnt. I can't get beer delivered with my pizza here in the DFW area. I looked into trying to start a business for that, but the regulatory environment was rather byzantine and was made worse with DFW being a mishmash of dry/wet zones.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 10:38:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: CarpeComa quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic OP??? Who is banning companies? what company has been banned? Explicitly? Prostitution (most places) Uber Liquor stores (dry counties) Anything that would compete with state-established monopolies, such as: Mail service Cable (in most places) Utilities (in a lot of places) Implicitly banned businesses are harder to identify. A lot of businesses exist at the whims of local boards and regulators. It's difficult to point to one specifically because if they are banned by regulators, they simply cease to exist (or never exist in the first place) and if banned by a local board, it’s usually done before being opened. These bannings tend to be very quiet as for most businesses a new location isn't worth a drag out fight with the local board. Wal-Mart and Chick-fil-a have been publicized targets for being prevented from opening local stores. Anything ‘adult’ oriented is another frequent target. Then there are issues where a business hasn’t been totally banned, but complying with the existing law is prohibitively complicated/expensive which effectively bans the business. Why can’t I get beer delivered with my pizza? Because it has been effectively banned by regulation. Ive addressed this before. THis is NOT a discussion of adult and illegal activities, drugs, prostitution (which I hasten to add are regulated because of largely morals/obscenity). And have been "banned" for decades, NOT suddenly. ANd certainly not because of what has been happening since gay marriage was announced. We can discuss actually severely regulated businesses all day, I ran one for 11 years. I can get beer delivered with my pizza, altho I dont drink. Yet, our liquor and beer stores are run by the govmnt. But no answer for Denver City Council vs Chick-Fil-A?

KenDckey -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 10:50:15 AM)
The good thing about state run liquor stores (and I don't drink either, well not anymore and a hell of a lot less than before) is the State gets to keep the profits and the taxes. double whammy. Prices were compatable tho to privately owned ones.

Lucylastic -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 11:19:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: CarpeComa quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic OP??? Who is banning companies? what company has been banned? Explicitly? Prostitution (most places) Uber Liquor stores (dry counties) Anything that would compete with state-established monopolies, such as: Mail service Cable (in most places) Utilities (in a lot of places) Implicitly banned businesses are harder to identify. A lot of businesses exist at the whims of local boards and regulators. It's difficult to point to one specifically because if they are banned by regulators, they simply cease to exist (or never exist in the first place) and if banned by a local board, it’s usually done before being opened. These bannings tend to be very quiet as for most businesses a new location isn't worth a drag out fight with the local board. Wal-Mart and Chick-fil-a have been publicized targets for being prevented from opening local stores. Anything ‘adult’ oriented is another frequent target. Then there are issues where a business hasn’t been totally banned, but complying with the existing law is prohibitively complicated/expensive which effectively bans the business. Why can’t I get beer delivered with my pizza? Because it has been effectively banned by regulation. Ive addressed this before. THis is NOT a discussion of adult and illegal activities, drugs, prostitution (which I hasten to add are regulated because of largely morals/obscenity). And have been "banned" for decades, NOT suddenly. ANd certainly not because of what has been happening since gay marriage was announced. We can discuss actually severely regulated businesses all day, I ran one for 11 years. I can get beer delivered with my pizza, altho I dont drink. Yet, our liquor and beer stores are run by the govmnt. But no answer for Denver City Council vs Chick-Fil-A? What about texas vs planned parent hood?

KenDckey -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 11:47:54 AM)
trying to put planned parenthood out of business isn't good in my opinion, but removal of state funding is. My 2 cents. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/texas-planned-parenthood-_n_7645364.html

Sanity -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 11:57:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey trying to put planned parenthood out of business isn't good in my opinion, but removal of state funding is. My 2 cents. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/texas-planned-parenthood-_n_7645364.html Sort of like state funding for NPR / PBS despite their leftist political agenda An issue, though a separate issue from this issue

Thegunnysez -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 11:59:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What a conveniently short memory you have Theres Chik-fil-A, who leftists tried to destroy. The mom n pop pizzeria whose religious beliefs interfered with catering gay weddings, who leftists shut down... Thats without getting into the history of leftists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface What a conveniently short memory you have. There are the Dixie Chicks who spoke their mind and there were those who sought to silence them. That is without getting into the history of fascists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 12:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Who was that guy, one of his whores recorded him saying some bad things in private. He was forced to cough up his sports team How much did he make on that transaction? Forced to sell a team for several times it's worth. Who couldn't use a whore like that?

Sanity -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 12:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What a conveniently short memory you have Theres Chik-fil-A, who leftists tried to destroy. The mom n pop pizzeria whose religious beliefs interfered with catering gay weddings, who leftists shut down... Thats without getting into the history of leftists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface What a conveniently short memory you have. There are the Dixie Chicks who spoke their mind and there were those who sought to silence them. That is without getting into the history of fascists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface. Their fans quit buying their CDs because they're leftist loons Not exactly the same thing there, Einstein

Thegunnysez -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 12:16:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Their fans quit buying their CDs because they're leftist loons Cite please.

Sanity -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 12:53:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Their fans quit buying their CDs because they're leftist loons Cite please. [img]https://cdn.scratch.mit.edu/static/site/users/avatars/393/0818.png[/img]

Thegunnysez -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 1:17:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Their fans quit buying their CDs because they're leftist loons Cite please.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 3:52:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: CarpeComa quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic OP??? Who is banning companies? what company has been banned? Explicitly? Prostitution (most places) Uber Liquor stores (dry counties) Anything that would compete with state-established monopolies, such as: Mail service Cable (in most places) Utilities (in a lot of places) Implicitly banned businesses are harder to identify. A lot of businesses exist at the whims of local boards and regulators. It's difficult to point to one specifically because if they are banned by regulators, they simply cease to exist (or never exist in the first place) and if banned by a local board, it’s usually done before being opened. These bannings tend to be very quiet as for most businesses a new location isn't worth a drag out fight with the local board. Wal-Mart and Chick-fil-a have been publicized targets for being prevented from opening local stores. Anything ‘adult’ oriented is another frequent target. Then there are issues where a business hasn’t been totally banned, but complying with the existing law is prohibitively complicated/expensive which effectively bans the business. Why can’t I get beer delivered with my pizza? Because it has been effectively banned by regulation. Ive addressed this before. THis is NOT a discussion of adult and illegal activities, drugs, prostitution (which I hasten to add are regulated because of largely morals/obscenity). And have been "banned" for decades, NOT suddenly. ANd certainly not because of what has been happening since gay marriage was announced. We can discuss actually severely regulated businesses all day, I ran one for 11 years. I can get beer delivered with my pizza, altho I dont drink. Yet, our liquor and beer stores are run by the govmnt. But no answer for Denver City Council vs Chick-Fil-A? What about texas vs planned parent hood? Planned Parenthood: Not for profit, government funded, operates under differing regulations than other businesses. Refunded by Texas government...something the ones who run a state have the right to do. Chick-Fil-A: Private business for profit. Pays property and other taxes. Funded only by their customers. Denied a business license because of religious beliefs, NOT discrimination. See any difference there? Nice deflection there but I still see no acknowledgment that a business was banned because of religious beliefs.

JVoV -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 4:34:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What a conveniently short memory you have Theres Chik-fil-A, who leftists tried to destroy. The mom n pop pizzeria whose religious beliefs interfered with catering gay weddings, who leftists shut down... Thats without getting into the history of leftists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface Conservative & religious groups have called for boycotts on JC Penney for hiring Ellen as a spokesperson, on Target for disallowing the Salvation Army to collect donations in front of their stores (that one worked, and now they have a strong partnership), Starbucks for supporting gay marriage, Lowe's caved in and pulled commercials for a TLC show about a moderate Muslim family after a boycott was started, and let's not forget the Southern Baptists boycotting Disney for damn near a decade, for promoting a 'gay agenda'. Are conservatives the only ones allowed to use their money as speech? Or speech as speech?

KenDckey -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 4:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What a conveniently short memory you have Theres Chik-fil-A, who leftists tried to destroy. The mom n pop pizzeria whose religious beliefs interfered with catering gay weddings, who leftists shut down... Thats without getting into the history of leftists in other places around the globe. Include that sort of thing and I would be here all day and still just barely scratch the surface Conservative & religious groups have called for boycotts on JC Penney for hiring Ellen as a spokesperson, on Target for disallowing the Salvation Army to collect donations in front of their stores (that one worked, and now they have a strong partnership), Starbucks for supporting gay marriage, Lowe's caved in and pulled commercials for a TLC show about a moderate Muslim family after a boycott was started, and let's not forget the Southern Baptists boycotting Disney for damn near a decade, for promoting a 'gay agenda'. Are conservatives the only ones allowed to use their money as speech? Or speech as speech? isn't the denial of a business license much more than a boycott. Well they both do begin with a B. But one is to keep one from operation by govbernmental action. the other is a collection of people expressing their opinion by withholding their personal funds.

JVoV -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 5:27:58 PM)
Government has a right to avoid promoting businesses on their property that they feel are not conducive to local laws and policies. A representative or attorney for the company could easily answer any questions the city has about company policies that would effect its employees, customers, and the community at large. Of course, I said all of that in your other thread. Let's point out that local politics is rarely what it's made out to be. This could be as simple as a city counselor's cousin wanting the space for a franchise of their own. Or another company promising a more lucrative deal for the airport.

Sanity -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 5:31:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Government has a right to avoid promoting businesses on their property that they feel are not conducive to local laws and policies. A representative or attorney for the company could easily answer any questions the city has about company policies that would effect its employees, customers, and the community at large. Of course, I said all of that in your other thread. Let's point out that local politics is rarely what it's made out to be. This could be as simple as a city counselor's cousin wanting the space for a franchise of their own. Or another company promising a more lucrative deal for the airport. Would you feel the same if the city council were skin heads Islamists or whatever, pushing THEIR radical agenda at a big city airport Kinda doubt it But since its your pet extremist ideology you see nothing wrong with their heavy handed tactics

KenDckey -> RE: Business should be banned based upon (8/30/2015 5:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Government has a right to avoid promoting businesses on their property that they feel are not conducive to local laws and policies. A representative or attorney for the company could easily answer any questions the city has about company policies that would effect its employees, customers, and the community at large. Of course, I said all of that in your other thread. Let's point out that local politics is rarely what it's made out to be. This could be as simple as a city counselor's cousin wanting the space for a franchise of their own. Or another company promising a more lucrative deal for the airport. As far as I can find (not claiming that I saw every possible instance) the company does not discriminate against anyone. It appears the only real anger is what one person believes not practices. I do like the idea that it could be nepotism tho. Only time will tell.

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