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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 4:39:44 AM

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Thanks for reminding me to take the garbage to the road

Didn't you at least read the part where they said they were not going to indite the white guy? Surely that is not garbage?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 4:44:16 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 5:29:55 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

FBI data for 2013 show 5,537 white victims of homicide and 6,261 black victims. So nobody is killing more white people.

2013 Murder victims by Race and Sex

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 5:29:55 AM

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But when the day after a cop is murdered, BLM rally are chanting pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon it does reflect on BLM.

Then, if one cop kills a black person in way that doesn't seem righteous, that reflects on cops as a whole?

This is kind of 'logic' - *on both sides* - that gets those wars kicking off.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 5:31:36 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

FBI data for single victim/single offender homicide show that compared to whites murdering blacks, blacks murdered more than twice as many whites.

2013 Murder by Race, Sex, and Ethnicity

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Thegunnysez was referencing white gangsters killing white people, K.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 6:14:54 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

FBI data for single victim/single offender homicide show that compared to whites murdering blacks, blacks murdered more than twice as many whites.

2013 Murder by Race, Sex, and Ethnicity

Thegunnysez was referencing white gangsters killing white people, K.

Yeah, my bad. Taking his claim in the context of previous posts on "dangerousness," I jumped the pooch.

But he's wrong anyway. Fixed.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 6:49:57 AM

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Ilike the comments of Clarence Mason on Black Lives Matter

https://www.facebook.com/masonweaver/videos/10207306271831944/?fref=nf

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 6:52:19 AM

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Yeah, my bad. Taking his claim in the context of previous posts on "dangerousness," I jumped the pooch.

But he's wrong anyway. Fixed.

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Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 7:02:56 AM

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Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

You can claim whatever you want, but without a link to supporting data it's just hot air. And even if true, you'd still be quoting shit that's seven years old. Moreover, back then whites were probably about 80%+ of the population while blacks were about 12%, which means that whites were offending at a rate way below their representation in the population, while blacks were offending at a rate that was at least some multiple of their representation in the population.

But hey, don't get me wrong. Using absolute numbers is still a neat trick, even today. Do you have a pretty assistant too?

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 7:27:18 AM

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Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

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You can claim whatever you want, but without a link to supporting data it's just hot air.

It was not my claim but rather the Bureau of Justice. That you were unable to find the Bureau of Justice website is surprising so here is a link to the BoJ

http://www.bjs.gov/

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And even if true, you'd still be quoting shit that's seven years old.

Why do you feel that a survey of 28 years is invalid because it is 7 years old?

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Moreover, back then whites were probably about 80%+ of the population while blacks were about 12%, which means that whites were offending at a rate way below their representation in the population, while blacks were offending at a rate that was at least some multiple of their representation in the population.

In 1980 whites were about 80% of the U.S. population while blacks were about 12%. In 2000 whites represented about 70% and blacks were still about 12%

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 7:45:16 AM

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At this point in the thread, I think it's worth going back to something crazyml asked earlier:

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Why do you think there is so much hostility?

I don't think there really is that much hostility. At least, not among black people generally. In my experience, the vast majority of blacks are law-abiding hard working folks who get along fine with their neighbors and the police, whereas black crime statistics predominantly reflect a violent and dysfunctional subculture that the majority of blacks reject. But discussion along these lines encounters a linguistic limitation, so I'll have to let Chris Rock provide the necessary clarification.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:04:50 AM

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At this point in the thread, I think it's worth going back to something crazyml asked earlier:

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Why do you think there is so much hostility?

I don't think there really is that much hostility. At least, not among black people generally. In my experience, the vast majority of blacks are law-abiding hard working folks who get along fine with their neighbors and the police, whereas black crime statistics predominantly reflect a violent and dysfunctional subculture that the majority of blacks reject. But discussion along these lines encounters a linguistic limitation, so I'll have to let Chris Rock provide the necessary clarification.

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As a general rule of thumb, that hold true for the general population

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:26:27 AM

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But when the day after a cop is murdered, BLM rally are chanting pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon it does reflect on BLM.

Then, if one cop kills a black person in way that doesn't seem righteous, that reflects on cops as a whole?

This is kind of 'logic' - *on both sides* - that gets those wars kicking off.

No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:29:56 AM

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At this point in the thread, I think it's worth going back to something crazyml asked earlier:

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Why do you think there is so much hostility?

I don't think there really is that much hostility. At least, not among black people generally. In my experience, the vast majority of blacks are law-abiding hard working folks who get along fine with their neighbors and the police, whereas black crime statistics predominantly reflect a violent and dysfunctional subculture that the majority of blacks reject. But discussion along these lines encounters a linguistic limitation, so I'll have to let Chris Rock provide the necessary clarification.

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There is a hugh difference between saying that BLM, or KKK are racist, and saying that all, or even most, blacks, or whites are.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:31:44 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

If you're referring strictly to gang members and their victims, you may be right within that very narrow confine.

Funny how nobody quite glamorizes the "gangsta" lifestyle like blacks do, though...

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:38:31 AM

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But when the day after a cop is murdered, BLM rally are chanting pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon it does reflect on BLM.

Then, if one cop kills a black person in way that doesn't seem righteous, that reflects on cops as a whole?

This is kind of 'logic' - *on both sides* - that gets those wars kicking off.

No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

http://filmingcops.com/deader-than-roadkill-cops-sing-and-celebrate-death-of-michael-brown/
Yeah there are.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 8:56:10 AM

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No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

In the U.S. the police are civilians.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 9:02:45 AM

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So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

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If you're referring strictly to gang members and their victims, you may be right within that very narrow confine.

According to the cite quoted those numbers reflect murders whether by gangs or individuals.

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Funny how nobody quite glamorizes the "gangsta" lifestyle like blacks do, though...

How many iterations of the Godfather were there? The Klan seems rather proud of thier gang. How many books and movies have been created about the Hells Angels or similar biker gangs. Then of course we ought to ask how many blacks were with Jessie James or Ike Clanton or The Daltons. All of whom have been in the movies and literature.

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 9:13:30 AM

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No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

http://filmingcops.com/deader-than-roadkill-cops-sing-and-celebrate-death-of-michael-brown/
Yeah there are.

From your source:

A shocking video has surfaced online showing a police event at a lodge during which police and their families can be heard singing and celebrating the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Yeah, no....

The Glendale, CA Elks Lodge is investigating a shocking incident that went down in the club a week ago Monday, when a performer sang a song celebrating the death of Michael Brown ... for an audience that included a number of retired and current cops

An Elks lodge. Just some police families there. And nobody even seems to be paying much attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHVJCl1_2Y

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RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group - 9/2/2015 9:28:18 AM

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No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

http://filmingcops.com/deader-than-roadkill-cops-sing-and-celebrate-death-of-michael-brown/
Yeah there are.

From your source:

A shocking video has surfaced online showing a police event at a lodge during which police and their families can be heard singing and celebrating the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Yeah, no....

The Glendale, CA Elks Lodge is investigating a shocking incident that went down in the club a week ago Monday, when a performer sang a song celebrating the death of Michael Brown ... for an audience that included a number of retired and current cops

An Elks lodge. Just some police families there. And nobody even seems to be paying much attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHVJCl1_2Y

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