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KenDckey -> Bad Intel (8/30/2015 6:33:30 AM)
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 6:48:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. I think the intel deliverers were trying to cover their asses so they didn't look impotent, moreso than getting President Obama to take a certain course of action.

KenDckey -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 6:53:00 AM)
Might be. All I really know is that bad intel really sucks.

Sanity -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 7:16:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. The Obama administration has already won four Pinochios for its lies about ISIS [img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/fact-checker/StandingArt/pinocchio_4.jpg[/img] This is just more of the same

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 7:27:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. The Obama administration has already won four Pinochios for its lies about ISIS [img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/fact-checker/StandingArt/pinocchio_4.jpg[/img] This is just more of the same How much of that was said by the Administration because of bad, faulty, or intentionally wrong, intel?

Sanity -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 9:52:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. The Obama administration has already won four Pinochios for its lies about ISIS [img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/fact-checker/StandingArt/pinocchio_4.jpg[/img] This is just more of the same How much of that was said by the Administration because of bad, faulty, or intentionally wrong, intel? Bush was personally assigned blame for "bad intel" though most other nations, two previous administrations and practically everyone in Congress (including Kerry and Hillary etc) saw the same evidence he was privy to and concurred with the Bush administrations' conclusions This misleading intel, this propaganda from an Obama underling in the Pentagon, whatever you want to call it, is something unique to this administration. Something tells me that yet another investigation is about to get stonewalled. Hard discs will be wiped, even shredded. Emails will disappear, White House visitor logs will be hidden ala Lois Lerner Its business as usual

Real0ne -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 10:07:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. more gubblemint willful '*negligence', since we pay them extremely well to obtain and use only* 'good' intel.

KenDckey -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 10:59:27 AM)
I will agree that all intell can not be good and must be pieced together from various sources to form a picture of what is out there. Wasn't it the battle of Midway that was based upon only 10% good intel? something like that. battle of the bulge was based upon bad intel on our part. Lots of instances.

Real0ne -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 11:40:35 AM)
Its only 'bad' intel if a number of heads roll off the chopping block, but those involved somehow always manage to get promoted. Thats defined as organizationally-planned intel. To Wit: NIST hid their WTC7 computer simulation data because of 'public safety'...wink wink, nudge nudge Proof. Pursuant to Section 7(d) of the National Construction Safety Team Act, I hereby find that the disclosure of the information described below, received by the National Institute of Standards and Technology ("NIST"), in connection with its investigation of the technical causes of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11,2001, might jeopardize public safety. Therefore, NIST shall not release the following information: Patrick Gallagher- Director National Institute of Standards and Technology (2009) Blamed on defective construction yet the engineering fixes are a SECRET! Willful negligence, bad intel sanctioned by law

KenDckey -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 11:50:50 AM)
I don't necessarily agree or disagree. Making the fixes public MAY not necessarily will make it easier in the future for similar type attacks that can defeat the fixes.

Politesub53 -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 4:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. Bush was told the itel on wmds was unreliable........ hardly the same as using it not knowing it was unreliable.

Sanity -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 4:31:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. Bush was told the itel on wmds was unreliable........ hardly the same as using it not knowing it was unreliable. Thats the leftist propaganda anyway

Politesub53 -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 4:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. Bush was told the itel on wmds was unreliable........ hardly the same as using it not knowing it was unreliable. Thats the leftist propaganda anyway Dont be a stupid fucker, I have been critical of Blair for the same thing and Blair is on the L-E-F-T. I admit you dont know left from right nor arse from elbow but some of us have at least been kind enough to educate you bruv, although to coin a phrase, you cant put lipstick on a pig.

Sanity -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 4:53:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. Bush was told the itel on wmds was unreliable........ hardly the same as using it not knowing it was unreliable. Thats the leftist propaganda anyway Dont be a stupid fucker, I have been critical of Blair for the same thing and Blair is on the L-E-F-T. I admit you dont know left from right nor arse from elbow but some of us have at least been kind enough to educate you bruv, although to coin a phrase, you cant put lipstick on a pig. Keep telling yourself that you are a conservative grumpy troll... Its entertaining as hell [:D]

JVoV -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 6:07:34 PM)
I believe it's time to question our sources for foreign intelligence. Is there a connection to the misinformation we had about WMDs and the lowballed numbers reported for ISIS?

KenDckey -> RE: Bad Intel (8/30/2015 6:23:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I believe it's time to question our sources for foreign intelligence. Is there a connection to the misinformation we had about WMDs and the lowballed numbers reported for ISIS? Haveing spent a short period of time working in the intell community is just how politicized it is. You tell me what you want and I'll tell you all about it sorta thing. In Nam, the politicians wanted body count and the numbers were inflated. Gulf II WMD's Now ISIS. It usually isn't the source, but the analyst or higher that screws it up.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Bad Intel (8/31/2015 2:42:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. The Obama administration has already won four Pinochios for its lies about ISIS [img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/fact-checker/StandingArt/pinocchio_4.jpg[/img] This is just more of the same How much of that was said by the Administration because of bad, faulty, or intentionally wrong, intel? Bush was personally assigned blame for "bad intel" though most other nations, two previous administrations and practically everyone in Congress (including Kerry and Hillary etc) saw the same evidence he was privy to and concurred with the Bush administrations' conclusions This misleading intel, this propaganda from an Obama underling in the Pentagon, whatever you want to call it, is something unique to this administration. Something tells me that yet another investigation is about to get stonewalled. Hard discs will be wiped, even shredded. Emails will disappear, White House visitor logs will be hidden ala Lois Lerner Its business as usual So, if I'm reading you right, because the left wrongly blamed Bush for the bad intel, you're going to wrongly blame Obama for what could be bad intel? That seems both petty, and worthless to me.

joether -> RE: Bad Intel (8/31/2015 3:12:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. How much more information on this topic is known that is classified right now? Or are you going on the idea that all information is known right now? Just so you can attack the President? President Obama is not likely to make bad decisions. He has surrounded himself with some very good, intelligent, and educated individuals in their fields of study. Those people are giving him good advice. Seems to have helped the President in any of the few hundred 'problems' he has been in over the past several years now. George W. Bush was done-in by bad advisers whom gave him bad advice. I am wondering why he rambled so often on speeches (i.e. Bushisms) during that time. Why former Vice President Dick Cheney was often seen as being the President, rather than Mr. Bush. That administration was poor operated and run. Cost this nation much on any number of fronts. To which the current President has been repairing for a while now.....

KenDckey -> RE: Bad Intel (8/31/2015 3:58:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. How much more information on this topic is known that is classified right now? Or are you going on the idea that all information is known right now? Just so you can attack the President? President Obama is not likely to make bad decisions. He has surrounded himself with some very good, intelligent, and educated individuals in their fields of study. Those people are giving him good advice. Seems to have helped the President in any of the few hundred 'problems' he has been in over the past several years now. George W. Bush was done-in by bad advisers whom gave him bad advice. I am wondering why he rambled so often on speeches (i.e. Bushisms) during that time. Why former Vice President Dick Cheney was often seen as being the President, rather than Mr. Bush. That administration was poor operated and run. Cost this nation much on any number of fronts. To which the current President has been repairing for a while now..... Joe, bad (less than perfect) intell is bad intel. Doesn't matter which administration. I gave credit to both administrations. Are you so jaded against me and some of the others that you can't see the trees for the forest?

NorthernGent -> RE: Bad Intel (8/31/2015 4:09:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/404026-new-allegations-suggest-intel-regarding-isis-manipulated-make-u-s-look-good/ The cost of bad intel is lives. Obama will make bad decisions if given bad intel just like Bush did. Bush was told the itel on wmds was unreliable........ hardly the same as using it not knowing it was unreliable. Thats the leftist propaganda anyway The documents are in the public domain. Forged documents at that. We know this because it was United States sources who told the British Government that Iraq did not have the ingredients to build 'WMDs'. Your own intelligence services told our government there was nothing doing, behind closed doors of course.

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