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TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:25:24 AM)
You mean other than because they have physical education and don't want to wear stinky, sweaty clothing to class?

Lucylastic -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:30:28 AM)
Im wondering why so many people think that womens loos have urinals in them. Or that in unisex loos, you often get men/boys whipping their dicks out. Or that women /girls dont beat up each other in the ladies. Bullying is a huge factor is teen suicides, but few care unless it happens to their kids.

Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:38:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The thing that really bugs me is that at some point, some sexual predator of a boy is going to figure out all he needs to do to get access to the girl's locker room and bathroom (possibly even with a camera) is to put on a wig and scream "bigot!" at anyone who questions him. This IS the sort of thing that crosses the mind of immature teenage males. Eventually it WILL happen - and with the blessing of the local school board as well. Perhaps that's even what is happening here. Not every boy who claims he identifies as a girl will actually be who he claims to be. What if this had been an option for Josh Duggar? well if a little boy who put on a dress really and truly was a little girl then it would be proven if he were pining to get into the mens room since girls at that age are most often (not always) are attracted to and play with boys!!!!

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 skeptical that what im about to say wont raise cries of "bigot" or "intolerant" or other unsupported monikers, but here goes anyways: until recently, transgenderism was considered a disorder and efforts were undertaken to help the person align their psychology with their anatomy. the question becomes then, why is that no longer the case? what's the basis for the change? also, what has the change wrought on both society, and the people in question. asking from a pragmatic perspective, does the present approach "work?" As you mentioned up until recently the standard response was to change the individuals mind to accord with what the practicioners mind set was. I am not convinced that that approach is working.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:44:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The thing that really bugs me is that at some point, some sexual predator of a boy is going to figure out all he needs to do to get access to the girl's locker room and bathroom (possibly even with a camera) is to put on a wig and scream "bigot!" at anyone who questions him. This IS the sort of thing that crosses the mind of immature teenage males. Eventually it WILL happen - and with the blessing of the local school board as well. Perhaps that's even what is happening here. Not every boy who claims he identifies as a girl will actually be who he claims to be. What if this had been an option for Josh Duggar? While it is not possible to presume what "some predator of a boy" might do you have clearly stated what is on your mind.

geilematz -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:45:19 AM)
what has religion got to do with it? are there bibles with more than 10 commandments ...? maybe something like commandment 13a thou shalt not use the wrong lavatory?

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 11:55:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The thing that really bugs me is that at some point, some sexual predator of a boy is going to figure out all he needs to do to get access to the girl's locker room and bathroom (possibly even with a camera) is to put on a wig and scream "bigot!" at anyone who questions him. This IS the sort of thing that crosses the mind of immature teenage males. Eventually it WILL happen - and with the blessing of the local school board as well. Perhaps that's even what is happening here. Not every boy who claims he identifies as a girl will actually be who he claims to be. What if this had been an option for Josh Duggar? well if a little boy who put on a dress really and truly was a little girl then it would be proven if he were pining to get into the mens room since girls at that age are most often (not always) are attracted to and play with boys!!!! I don't think it's possible to truly know what's going on in an individual's head. No doubt there are girls using those girls rooms that the other girls wouldn't want to share with if they knew what they were thinking. Still, as I said, some teenaged boy IS going to take advantage of this - it's a matter of when, not if. And he's going to make a lot of transgender activists look really naive.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 12:28:31 PM)
quote: Still, as I said, some teenaged boy IS going to take advantage of this - it's a matter of when, not if. And he's going to make a lot of transgender activists look really naive. It would seem unlikely that a school would put a practice like this in place without some sort of safeguard don't you think? It would make sense that the individual involved (male or female)would have had a medical and psychological history to substantiate this position. What you are sugesting is that the parents would have to be involved as they would have to vouch for and supply documentation.

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 12:49:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: Still, as I said, some teenaged boy IS going to take advantage of this - it's a matter of when, not if. And he's going to make a lot of transgender activists look really naive. It would seem unlikely that a school would put a practice like this in place without some sort of safeguard don't you think? It would make sense that the individual involved (male or female)would have had a medical and psychological history to substantiate this position. What you are sugesting is that the parents would have to be involved as they would have to vouch for and supply documentation. I disagree. It seems to me that the transgender activists would find it offensive to question anyone's statement about how they identify. That seems to be the standard pretty much everywhere else, why would it be any different in a high school? Beyond that, how would someone go about proving this kid ISN'T what they claim to be. Perhaps they have the sort of parents that would simply back them up. That's also not uncommon. Sooner or later we're going to be watching the evening news, and this kid - or someone very much like them - is going to take off his wig and punk the people who don't realize what teenage boys are.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 1:08:03 PM)
quote: I disagree. It seems to me that the transgender activists would find it offensive to question anyone's statement about how they identify. Have you asked? quote: That seems to be the standard pretty much everywhere else, why would it be any different in a high school? Children do not enroll themselves in high school. Parents do. Part of the enrollment process is medical. I understand it takes about a half pound of paperwork to get something as benign as a wheel chair onto the campus. That requires official forms with the signatures of doctors. It would be hard to imagine less regulation in a circumstance such as this. quote: Beyond that, how would someone go about proving this kid ISN'T what they claim to be. I am sure you would agree with the old saw about "talk is cheap but actions speak" If the individual in question does not behave as they say they are then they are somethig different. quote: Perhaps they have the sort of parents that would simply back them up. That's also not uncommon. Would you have any data to support your contention that it is not uncommon for parents to lie about the sexual orientation of their children? quote: Sooner or later we're going to be watching the evening news, and this kid - or someone very much like them - is going to take off his wig and punk the people who don't realize what teenage boys are. You seem quite knowledgable about teen age boys.

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 1:59:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: I disagree. It seems to me that the transgender activists would find it offensive to question anyone's statement about how they identify. Have you asked? No. But I've seen them get outraged at others who do ask. quote: quote: That seems to be the standard pretty much everywhere else, why would it be any different in a high school? Children do not enroll themselves in high school. Parents do. Part of the enrollment process is medical. I understand it takes about a half pound of paperwork to get something as benign as a wheel chair onto the campus. That requires official forms with the signatures of doctors. It would be hard to imagine less regulation in a circumstance such as this. Just how would one go about proving that they're a girl trapped in a boy's body? How would one prove that they're not? quote: quote: Beyond that, how would someone go about proving this kid ISN'T what they claim to be. I am sure you would agree with the old saw about "talk is cheap but actions speak" If the individual in question does not behave as they say they are then they are somethig different. Sure. But we're talking about a TEENAGER. These are people who are still going through phases. She's what? 17? How long has she been identifying as a female? She hasn't even had time for her actions to speak. Many (maybe even most) kids in High School are still figuring out their sexuality. quote: quote: Perhaps they have the sort of parents that would simply back them up. That's also not uncommon. Would you have any data to support your contention that it is not uncommon for parents to lie about the sexual orientation of their children? I haven't made that assertion. I said that her parents would likely simply support her in whatever decision she made. Do you have any data to support the contention that parent's DON'T regularly support their children with this sort of thing? quote: quote: Sooner or later we're going to be watching the evening news, and this kid - or someone very much like them - is going to take off his wig and punk the people who don't realize what teenage boys are. You seem quite knowledgable about teen age boys. Yep. I used to be one. It wouldn't have made sense to try to pull off this particular prank back in the 1980s. But this kid wouldn't be the first teenage boy to try to find a creative way to get into the girls locker room.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:26:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: I disagree. It seems to me that the transgender activists would find it offensive to question anyone's statement about how they identify. Have you asked? quote: No. But I've seen them get outraged at others who do ask. You have clearly decided to go with opinion rather than facts. What is it that caused you not to ask?

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:28:46 PM)
quote: Sure. But we're talking about a TEENAGER. These are people who are still going through phases. She's what? 17? How long has she been identifying as a female? She hasn't even had time for her actions to speak. Many (maybe even most) kids in High School are still figuring out their sexuality. Since you do not know the answers to the questions you have asked how can you form an opinion about this topic?

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: Sure. But we're talking about a TEENAGER. These are people who are still going through phases. She's what? 17? How long has she been identifying as a female? She hasn't even had time for her actions to speak. Many (maybe even most) kids in High School are still figuring out their sexuality. Since you do not know the answers to the questions you have asked how can you form an opinion about this topic? Do you know the answers to those questions? If not, why are you pestering me?

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:33:09 PM)
quote: quote: quote: Perhaps they have the sort of parents that would simply back them up. That's also not uncommon. Would you have any data to support your contention that it is not uncommon for parents to lie about the sexual orientation of their children? quote: I haven't made that assertion. You most certainly did it is just a above. quote: I said that her parents would likely simply support her in whatever decision she made. Do you have any data to support the contention that parent's DON'T regularly support their children with this sort of thing? This is not the same as saying her parents would lie to the school so she could go look at naked girls, which is what you did say.

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: I disagree. It seems to me that the transgender activists would find it offensive to question anyone's statement about how they identify. Have you asked? quote: No. But I've seen them get outraged at others who do ask. You have clearly decided to go with opinion rather than facts. What is it that caused you not to ask? I've never been in the position where I've had to figure out if the man going into the woman's room was a pervert or a man in a woman's body. There are, however, a lot more of the former than there are of the latter in the world.

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:39:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: quote: quote: Perhaps they have the sort of parents that would simply back them up. That's also not uncommon. Would you have any data to support your contention that it is not uncommon for parents to lie about the sexual orientation of their children? quote: I haven't made that assertion. You most certainly did it is just a above. No. I haven't. I have said that parents would support a child's claims about their sexual identity. That's not the same as suggesting that they'd lie. Lying for their child would require them to know that they're aware that their child is lying. Not all parents are going to be able to figure that out. quote: quote: I said that her parents would likely simply support her in whatever decision she made. Do you have any data to support the contention that parent's DON'T regularly support their children with this sort of thing? This is not the same as saying her parents would lie to the school so she could go look at naked girls, which is what you did say. Sorry. But that IS NOT what I said.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:48:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: Sure. But we're talking about a TEENAGER. These are people who are still going through phases. She's what? 17? How long has she been identifying as a female? She hasn't even had time for her actions to speak. Many (maybe even most) kids in High School are still figuring out their sexuality. Since you do not know the answers to the questions you have asked how can you form an opinion about this topic? Do you know the answers to those questions? If not, why are you pestering me? The net is a pretty interesting place. One can track down all sorts of stuff to help them make an informed decission on most any subject. That is how I came to my opinions on this topic. As for the pestering part all one need do is ignore that to which they are unwilling to respond

Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 2:50:49 PM)
quote: I've never been in the position where I've had to figure out if the man going into the woman's room was a pervert or a man in a woman's body. There are, however, a lot more of the former than there are of the latter in the world. Are there many things you believe for which you have no validation?

TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/2/2015 3:01:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: Sure. But we're talking about a TEENAGER. These are people who are still going through phases. She's what? 17? How long has she been identifying as a female? She hasn't even had time for her actions to speak. Many (maybe even most) kids in High School are still figuring out their sexuality. Since you do not know the answers to the questions you have asked how can you form an opinion about this topic? Do you know the answers to those questions? If not, why are you pestering me? The net is a pretty interesting place. One can track down all sorts of stuff to help them make an informed decission on most any subject. That is how I came to my opinions on this topic. As for the pestering part all one need do is ignore that to which they are unwilling to respond Funny thing about the net. Not everything on it is true. Still, what I've read says they are, in fact, 17. The net also says this person is not living at home... which means their parents aren't going to really have an understanding of their sexual identity. Which is going to make it that much more difficult for a physician to figure it out. It further says that up until the middle of the last school year, he was identifying as a gay male. Which is something very much different from a transgender person, and is pretty good evidence that they, themself, doesn't really have this all figured out just yet.

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