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TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/3/2015 5:59:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Oh good. Then you agree with me.


What part of you are wrong did you fail to understand?]
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Or... rather than just saying that I have misunderstood you, you can explain HOW I've misunderstood you.


Where did I say that?


Maybe it would be best to just get back to the basics:

Do you think Lila is a girl? And if so, why?




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/3/2015 6:12:33 PM)

Perhaps we could get back to the point where I said it was none of my business?




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/3/2015 6:22:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Perhaps we could get back to the point where I said it was none of my business?


Well, that would sort of preclude your beef with me, wouldn't it?

If I argue I don't know whether she is what she claims, and that we should be cautious about taking her word for it (because, after all she's only been making these claims for a few months and only insisting on access to the girls room for a few weeks); and you tell me I'm wrong, then tell me how. Don't just be John Cleese at the Argument Clinic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/3/2015 6:40:08 PM)

That man has brought me so much laughter.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/3/2015 6:41:47 PM)

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Well, that would sort of preclude your beef with me, wouldn't it?


No




joether -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 2:53:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


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The thing that really bugs me is that at some point, some sexual predator of a boy is going to figure out all he needs to do to get access to the girl's locker room and bathroom (possibly even with a camera) is to put on a wig and scream "bigot!" at anyone who questions him. This IS the sort of thing that crosses the mind of immature teenage males. Eventually it WILL happen - and with the blessing of the local school board as well. Perhaps that's even what is happening here. Not every boy who claims he identifies as a girl will actually be who he claims to be.

What if this had been an option for Josh Duggar?


well if a little boy who put on a dress really and truly was a little girl then it would be proven if he were pining to get into the mens room since girls at that age are most often (not always) are attracted to and play with boys!!!!



I don't think it's possible to truly know what's going on in an individual's head. No doubt there are girls using those girls rooms that the other girls wouldn't want to share with if they knew what they were thinking.

Still, as I said, some teenaged boy IS going to take advantage of this - it's a matter of when, not if. And he's going to make a lot of transgender activists look really naive.



Not likely given that transgender individuals (or those that suspect they are) would be sent to a therapist for an evaluation. And those evaluations are VERY long processes. Taking several months to define. Often it is not just one therapist they see. Likely also, that individual will be monitored by other therapists via video to determine the genuine article of transgender from 'those that would lie just to get into the girls bathroom'.

In fact, most transgender children whom are not in heavily religious repressing households will state they have problems with gender long before there is even a sexual component. To which the parents; if they are intelligent, send them to a therapist whom has a vast amount of experience, study, and skill. To which if the therapists is of even average skill, will help the parents in understanding their child. What steps could and can be taken in their development to adulthood.



Given that Lila decided that she was a girl less than a year ago, clearly there hasn't been sufficient time to determine whether or not she is, in fact, a girl and not just a boy pretending to be one. Prior to that he was living as a gay male. That's really the whole problem with this in a High School. These kids are still exploring their sexuality. Many aren't even sexually active. For those who are going through gender identity issues, they don't even know themselves well enough to sort it out, let alone getting someone else to figure it out for them. At 17, they haven't had the time or the opportunity to explore their sexuality enough to know.


If what you say is true, then it would be likely that ever kid in the same school is 'testing out their sexuality' in much the same way. Since only one person is doing this and not two hundred; it stands to reasons, the argument doesn't have much ground to stand upon. Yes, older aged teens do test out sexuality in a variety of ways. Only a bunch of perverts would do something like BDSM, right?





joether -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 3:04:52 AM)

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Im sorry...a gay male is attracted to males yes?
Why would a gay male wish to go into ladies washrooms to wiggle his dick around in?

Because, I have been told by one who claims to have been a teen age boy once upon a time, that that is what they think about. That this boy is just fakin' it so he can look at women in their underware.


Faking it, eh? Who would go through all the social, emotional, cultural, and even legal problems to say they are gay when they are not? Just to see something sexual? You are aware your online to a concept called the Internet? And that its full of one thing that trumps all other things:

PORN!

That's right, more than you can watch or download!

Gay teens are one of the most harassed groups of individuals in American school systems. Most teens I've heard have stated they would never wish to be gay if they had to endure all the harassment, threats, and just 'mean shit' (a catch all phrase here) done towards them.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 4:03:04 AM)

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Faking it, eh?


What ever it is that you are responding to was not written by me. Perhaps you might take a moment and reread the post in the context of the thread. That way your input might more accurately reflect your thoughts.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:46:48 AM)


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Most teens I've heard have stated they would never wish to be gay if they had to endure all the harassment, threats, and just 'mean shit' (a catch all phrase here) done towards them.


Since its been proven gay is not 'genetic' and no gay gene is known to exist, the claim "would never wish to be gay" has to be either a lie or some sort of disorder like cognitive dissonance.






Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:53:23 AM)

why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:54:03 AM)


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Oh no...you are the first I have heard say that they were small adults.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're sure Lila is a girl trapped in a boy's body... and you're positive she's got her sexuality all sorted out and that I'm wrong to wonder if she's actually a boy playing a prank that's spiraling out of control.



Since we are expected to legislate based on unfounded superficial claims I wonder what the people who believe and support this crap will do when some kid claims to be God trapped in a human body? [8D]







Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:57:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?



So you think we need to build restrooms labeled

Men
Women
Other
Fucked Up

is that it? You arent concerned that the list of bathrooms we need to build is going to grow exponentially!

and then what do we build for those claiming to be God trapped in a human body? Clouds or some shit like that? [;)]






Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:59:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?



So you think we need to build restrooms labeled

Men
Women
Other
Fucked Up

is that it? You arent concerned that the list of bathrooms we need to build is going to grow exponentially!

and then what do we build for those claiming to be God trapped in a human body? Clouds or some shit like that? [;)]






Why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 9:01:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?



So you think we need to build restrooms labeled

Men
Women
Other
Fucked Up

is that it? You arent concerned that the list of bathrooms we need to build is going to grow exponentially!

and then what do we build for those claiming to be God trapped in a human body? Clouds or some shit like that? [;)]






Why do you think cognative dissonance is uncommon?



I never said or implied that I thought cognitive dissonance was uncommon, why have you made that up?




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 9:47:03 AM)


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Cognitive dissonance:
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Since its been proven gay is not 'genetic' and no gay gene is known to exist, the claim "would never wish to be gay" has to be either a lie or some sort of disorder like cognitive dissonance.


Doesn't this statement clearly state that those who believe X suffer from this disorder or are lying? Wouldn't that seem to limit the set of people that could suffer this condition? I contend that cognitive dissonance can affect anyone at anytime...I could be wrong but it is not likely.
Consider the number of people on this board who proclaim loudly that the law should be obeyed and infractions must be punished who have no problem with "J walking" or "waterboarding". We, as in you and me, have been taught from infancy that murder is wrong. If one is in the military there is necessarily a conflict within oneself about this dichotomy. What was once totally wrong is now your job. It is explained away quite easily with rhetoric but the objective facts remain.



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I never said or implied that I thought cognitive dissonance was uncommon, why have you made that up?


Yes you did.




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 9:54:35 AM)

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Well, that would sort of preclude your beef with me, wouldn't it?


No


Apparently it does, or you'd have the ability to expand on 'no.'




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 9:57:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal

The thing that really bugs me is that at some point, some sexual predator of a boy is going to figure out all he needs to do to get access to the girl's locker room and bathroom (possibly even with a camera) is to put on a wig and scream "bigot!" at anyone who questions him. This IS the sort of thing that crosses the mind of immature teenage males. Eventually it WILL happen - and with the blessing of the local school board as well. Perhaps that's even what is happening here. Not every boy who claims he identifies as a girl will actually be who he claims to be.

What if this had been an option for Josh Duggar?


well if a little boy who put on a dress really and truly was a little girl then it would be proven if he were pining to get into the mens room since girls at that age are most often (not always) are attracted to and play with boys!!!!



I don't think it's possible to truly know what's going on in an individual's head. No doubt there are girls using those girls rooms that the other girls wouldn't want to share with if they knew what they were thinking.

Still, as I said, some teenaged boy IS going to take advantage of this - it's a matter of when, not if. And he's going to make a lot of transgender activists look really naive.



Not likely given that transgender individuals (or those that suspect they are) would be sent to a therapist for an evaluation. And those evaluations are VERY long processes. Taking several months to define. Often it is not just one therapist they see. Likely also, that individual will be monitored by other therapists via video to determine the genuine article of transgender from 'those that would lie just to get into the girls bathroom'.

In fact, most transgender children whom are not in heavily religious repressing households will state they have problems with gender long before there is even a sexual component. To which the parents; if they are intelligent, send them to a therapist whom has a vast amount of experience, study, and skill. To which if the therapists is of even average skill, will help the parents in understanding their child. What steps could and can be taken in their development to adulthood.



Given that Lila decided that she was a girl less than a year ago, clearly there hasn't been sufficient time to determine whether or not she is, in fact, a girl and not just a boy pretending to be one. Prior to that he was living as a gay male. That's really the whole problem with this in a High School. These kids are still exploring their sexuality. Many aren't even sexually active. For those who are going through gender identity issues, they don't even know themselves well enough to sort it out, let alone getting someone else to figure it out for them. At 17, they haven't had the time or the opportunity to explore their sexuality enough to know.


If what you say is true, then it would be likely that ever kid in the same school is 'testing out their sexuality' in much the same way. Since only one person is doing this and not two hundred; it stands to reasons, the argument doesn't have much ground to stand upon. Yes, older aged teens do test out sexuality in a variety of ways. Only a bunch of perverts would do something like BDSM, right?



Why would they all do it in the same way? Hell... of the tens of thousands of people on this website, how many of us do it in 'much the same way'?

And it's not just about sexuality. It's about testing social limits too. Some people LIKE the attention this sort of thing brings them. Just look at Donald Trump.




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 10:00:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Im sorry...a gay male is attracted to males yes?
Why would a gay male wish to go into ladies washrooms to wiggle his dick around in?

Because, I have been told by one who claims to have been a teen age boy once upon a time, that that is what they think about. That this boy is just fakin' it so he can look at women in their underware.


Faking it, eh? Who would go through all the social, emotional, cultural, and even legal problems to say they are gay when they are not? Just to see something sexual? You are aware your online to a concept called the Internet? And that its full of one thing that trumps all other things:

PORN!

That's right, more than you can watch or download!

Gay teens are one of the most harassed groups of individuals in American school systems. Most teens I've heard have stated they would never wish to be gay if they had to endure all the harassment, threats, and just 'mean shit' (a catch all phrase here) done towards them.


I haven't said Lila is faking it. I've said Lila MAY BE faking it. It's an important distinction.

I wonder, if she got on TV tomorrow and said "This was all just an act to make a point about political correctness run amok in school." what would you think?

And if you don't think that could ever happen, one day you're going to be very disappointed. It may or may not be happening here. But some smart-ass 17 year old IS going to punk you eventually.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 10:33:28 AM)

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Apparently it does, or you'd have the ability to expand on 'no.'


My issue with your posts is the complete lack of understanding exhibited towards all of the technical details of this situation.
You claim she is estranged from her parents yet there is no proof of that or that she is an emancipated minor.
You dismiss any regulations the school may have in place for those with different needs.
I pointed out that there is considerable paperwork required for something as simple as getting a wheel chair on campus. You assume with no bassis that the school simply agreed to all of her request because she asked. If you would have told your high school you were gay or transgender and wanted to use the faculty restroom would they have agreed with no questions asked? You have said that her parents would naturally lie for her. If you had told your folks you wanted to fake your way into the girls locker room by saying you were transgender would they have agreed to lie for you?
You assume that there is no medical or psyciatric professional involved. If you had told your folks that you were transgender would they have just shruged and said "whatever" or might they have discussed it with you? Even sought professional help to deal with it?
You make some rather crass assumptions that have no bassis in reality. How many straight guys do you know who would put on a dress and act like a girl in front of all of their friends but wink to them that it was just a scam? Somehow you find her perevious declarations of homosexuality to be inconsistant with her deciding to be a girl. Are you really unaware that homosexuals and straight girls like to have sex with men?
Other than that we are good.




JVoV -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 10:46:24 AM)

It seems like a lot of people may be faking the religion they claim so dear too.




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