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ORIGINAL: JVoV

You're equating homosexuality or being trans with being a rapist?

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Skyla Thompson, 16, refers to Lila as her best friend. She said Lila often stays at Skyla’s house overnight while Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender.

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Not true - I provided the statement in the newspaper that her parents are having difficulty coming to terms with this and that she regularly sleeps at a friends house.

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If this person isn't actually in contact with their parents - as the internet says - how would the parent's know? Especially if this person was living as a gay male less than a year ago - as the internet says?

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It's right there in the same sentence where it says she stays overnight at her girlfriend's house... "while Lila's family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender."

Trying to 'come to grips with their child identifying as transgender' means they don't have a good grip on Lila's sexuality. Let alone first hand intimate knowledge of it.

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Still, what I've read says they are, in fact, 17. The net also says this person is not living at home... which means their parents aren't going to really have an understanding of their sexual identity.

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Which is going to make it that much more difficult for a physician to figure it out. It further says that up until the middle of the last school year, he was identifying as a gay male. Which is something very much different from a transgender person, and is pretty good evidence that they, themself, doesn't really have this all figured out just yet.

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ah now the truth behind your posts comes out!

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SO you are once again making grandiose assumptions that the kid will jump up on a table and say hey everyone watch me masturbate! FFS gunny save yourself the embarrassment!

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Here let me help you; you probably as you said it carries the presumption getting caught is inveitable, which is supported by your further ASSumption that the only way the kid would masturbate is with an audience.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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ah now the truth behind your posts comes out!

The truth is I have no clue why you think you can decide for others what they can say.

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SO you are once again making grandiose assumptions that the kid will jump up on a table and say hey everyone watch me masturbate! FFS gunny save yourself the embarrassment!

I am not the one up on your imaginary table in the ladies loo.

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an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.

Just how would that work the second time?

Would this *ever* happen? As I said, there must have been homosexual boys at my boys' school. I didn't once see a boy getting a stiffy in the changing room. No doubt such a boy would be terrified at the thought of being believed to be getting turned on by what he saw around him.

Here we have a kid who already feels watched, and watched with deep suspicion, at that. She's not going to do a damned thing that will upset anybody in whatever changing room she finds herself.

just to be clear you are talking about an all boys school correct?

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Well there we have folks.

I have concluded that in light of all the absurd arguments that people will throw at this the only way to solve the problem is to have private 1 person bathroom rooms and dressing rooms. That is the only solution that could possibly work.

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yeh but I tire quickly of debates that disintegrate into nothing more than useless strawman arguments and turning a blind eye to the facts.

If its not genetic, which is proven, then its something else. It cant be both. this is turning into nothing more than a pissing contest of strawman attacks against the facts which is trolling.

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yeh but I tire quickly of debates that disintegrate into nothing more than useless strawman arguments and turning a blind eye to the facts.

If its not genetic, which is proven, then its something else. It cant be both. this is turning into nothing more than a pissing contest of strawman attacks against the facts which is trolling.

To me the argument about whether people's genes determine/don't determine their gender isn't greatly relevant in this case. It's about attitudes - those of the kids at the school and their parents; also, somewhat, of the kid at the 'centre of the storm' here. I keep thinking, 'Who will really get hurt, why, and how much?'

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Skyla Thompson, 16, refers to Lila as her best friend. She said Lila often stays at Skyla’s house overnight while Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender.

This is the satement from the newspaper on which you say you have based your opinions.
Below are the satements you have made in this thread re: this issue.

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Not true - I provided the statement in the newspaper that her parents are having difficulty coming to terms with this and that she regularly sleeps at a friends house.

Please look at the quote. It does not say regularly it says often those are not the same. Which means she spends the rest of the time with her parents.

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If this person isn't actually in contact with their parents - as the internet says - how would the parent's know? Especially if this person was living as a gay male less than a year ago - as the internet says?

If we look at the quote we can see clearly it does not say she is not in contact with her parents. It does not say what you said it said.

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It's right there in the same sentence where it says she stays overnight at her girlfriend's house... "while Lila's family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender."

Trying to 'come to grips with their child identifying as transgender' means they don't have a good grip on Lila's sexuality. Let alone first hand intimate knowledge of it.

That would be because you claim she does not live at home and has no contact with her parents which is clearly not true.

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Still, what I've read says they are, in fact, 17. The net also says this person is not living at home... which means their parents aren't going to really have an understanding of their sexual identity.

Once again you misstate the truth.

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Which is going to make it that much more difficult for a physician to figure it out. It further says that up until the middle of the last school year, he was identifying as a gay male. Which is something very much different from a transgender person, and is pretty good evidence that they, themself, doesn't really have this all figured out just yet.

Since gay males and straight women are sexually attracted to men how would this apply to her?

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Well there we have folks.

I have concluded that in light of all the absurd arguments that people will throw at this the only way to solve the problem is to have private 1 person bathroom rooms and dressing rooms. That is the only solution that could possibly work.

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yeh but I tire quickly of debates that disintegrate into nothing more than useless strawman arguments and turning a blind eye to the facts.

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If its not genetic, which is proven, then its something else. It cant be both.

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this is turning into nothing more than a pissing contest of strawman attacks against the facts which is trolling.

In other words once that takes place the arguments in that venue no longer have any value. straw houses go up on flames

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It's certainly the reasonable one. I wonder when women start to notice the left are OK with men hanging out in their locker rooms and rest rooms?

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Skyla Thompson, 16, refers to Lila as her best friend. She said Lila often stays at Skyla’s house overnight while Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender.

This is the satement from the newspaper on which you say you have based your opinions.
Below are the satements you have made in this thread re: this issue.

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Not true - I provided the statement in the newspaper that her parents are having difficulty coming to terms with this and that she regularly sleeps at a friends house.

Please look at the quote. It does not say regularly it says often those are not the same. Which means she spends the rest of the time with her parents.

You REALLY want to hang your point on the difference between 'often' and 'regularly'? LMAO!

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If this person isn't actually in contact with their parents - as the internet says - how would the parent's know? Especially if this person was living as a gay male less than a year ago - as the internet says?

If we look at the quote we can see clearly it does not say she is not in contact with her parents. It does not say what you said it said.

It does say that she often sleeps elsewhere, and her parent's are having difficulty coming to terms with this. In other words, I'm sure they're struggling with whether or not to actually believe Lila is what she claims. If they're not sure what to make of her, why take her claim at face value? Especially after only a few months when she's all of 17.

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It's right there in the same sentence where it says she stays overnight at her girlfriend's house... "while Lila's family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender."

Trying to 'come to grips with their child identifying as transgender' means they don't have a good grip on Lila's sexuality. Let alone first hand intimate knowledge of it.

That would be because you claim she does not live at home and has no contact with her parents which is clearly not true.

Sorry, but having difficulty 'coming to grips' with her being transgender actually is a VERY good indicator that they're not even sure what to make of this.

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Still, what I've read says they are, in fact, 17. The net also says this person is not living at home... which means their parents aren't going to really have an understanding of their sexual identity.

Once again you misstate the truth.

If that's what you'd like to believe.

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Which is going to make it that much more difficult for a physician to figure it out. It further says that up until the middle of the last school year, he was identifying as a gay male. Which is something very much different from a transgender person, and is pretty good evidence that they, themself, doesn't really have this all figured out just yet.

Since gay males and straight women are sexually attracted to men how would this apply to her?

What it means is that she herself is still trying to sort out her sexuality. And we're being asked to take her at face value - a genuinely risky proposition for a 17 year old who clearly is having a bit of difficulty coming to grips with herself. For all you and I know she's been having sex with the girlfriend she stays with often.