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Lucylastic -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 12:41:53 PM)

Im sorry I fail to see that.
All I see is excuses for being shady, lying and ignorant about what women feel.
If men cant take responsibility for their ignorance about women and excuse it with *she doesnt put out Ill fuck around"
OH..Ive been using computers since 1986

Men will be men is an excuse for fucking people over. your multiple profiles and considerable ignorance of REAL women will not help in your search.
You are ignoring real women telling you what your life experience hasnt even touched.
Does"Men will be men" excuse rape?




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 2:17:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it [:D]


I don't think the "volume" of sex was the issue; it's the number of partners, that is fundamentally the issue on a cheating site such as Ashley Madison advertised itself to be.

The actual copulation or orgasm numbers is not at all the same thing as wanting another person to have sex with.

Just the fact that hookers exist in the millions must tell you something (unless you prefer to ignore that fact).


Consider that many men pay for sex with hookers not because they want more sex than women do, and not because they want more partners than women want, but possibly because paying hookers is the only way those men can get any sex at all. Not typically a problem women face. Using your brain is not prohibited on the forums.




cloverodella -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 3:19:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

Apparently what happens when the wife says sex is lousy, is that he says "women don't want as much sex as men" or "it's a crappy ratio".
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it [:D]


BOOM.





cloverodella -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 5:03:56 PM)

You change the goalposts
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ORIGINAL: crumpets

I don't think the "volume" of sex was the issue; it's the number of partners, that is fundamentally the issue on a cheating site such as Ashley Madison advertised itself to be.

The actual copulation or orgasm numbers is not at all the same thing as wanting another person to have sex with.


from one comment
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ORIGINAL: crumpets

If you actually believe that the average female's sex drive is anywhere near an order of magnitude of the average male's sex drive, then you don't fundamentally understand men.

to the next.

As it suits, your argument changes. Sometimes men can't get enough sex because a magnitude of women don't show up, other times the problem is that there are enough women but their horniness/sex drive is too low to provide enough sex.
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In all these posts bemoaning the lack of women on adult dating sites, there's a point men never bring up: plenty of straight men create straight profiles although they are seeking an encounter with another man. I see men complaining about receiving messages from other men on CS all the time. Being that AM is a site specifically designed to cater to discrete sexual encounters/relationships with much to lose, men looking for men could find others just as afraid of being outed. A man in the closet, or looking for something on the downlow, probably isn't going to advertise himself as such, much less join a gay website. I doubt there's a "seeking" category for "straight married men just looking for a bj". I am not saying that these men are skewing the numbers in droves, but there's no way to know the intent or desires of someone, only their actions.

When it comes down to it, actions are ultimately the only thing relevant anyway. You can say your intentions or thoughts are this or that, but it's not what we meant to do that affects others, only what we actually did. If those actions are already hurtful, why not soften the blow? It's not a lie to say "no honey, i'm not in the mood" even if the whole answer is more like "no honey, i'm not in the mood to have sex with you because you aren't able to meet my needs".




crumpets -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 10:21:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Im sorry I fail to see that.

Admittedly, nobody can "feel" the sexual desire of another.
We can only infer it, from the facts that we are aware of and observe.
I guess we can MEASURE testosterone levels, which, you have to admit, men have higher levels of.
But, we'd have to know more about the other hormones' effect on sexual drive (e.g., estrogen) to base a conclusion on hormone levels.
Even then, we'd have to prove that the higher testosterone levels in men cause sexual drives in the first place.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
All I see is excuses for being shady, lying and ignorant about what women feel.

I'm sorry. You must associate with low-quality men.

Luckily, here at least, in this thread, I haven't seen any excuses yet for such behavior.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
If men cant take responsibility for their ignorance about women and excuse it with *she doesnt put out Ill fuck around"

If it were the men's fault, then why are the vast majority of hookers female?

NOTE: I'm sure male hookers exist. I have never identified one, not even one walking the streets - (which I'm sure I saw but didn't recognize); so, I'm sure male hookers exist.

However, I suspect that the female hookers outnumber male hookers; but if you have numbers on this ratio, I'd be interested in seeing them (and the numbers would be complicated by the fact that male hookers probably have two different types of clients).
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
OH..Ive been using computers since 1986

So are you trying to imply that Ashley Madison and Collarspace and other fetish sites have MORE women than men?
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Men will be men is an excuse for fucking people over.

If you think men will NOT be men, then you know absolutely nothing about men.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
your multiple profiles and considerable ignorance of REAL women will not help in your search.

Do you really think I'm ignorant of women?
Or, is it simply that you don't like hearing the blunt un-sugar-coated truth?

I admit, I'm tactless. Trust me when I say that, if I wanted to kiss up to you, I could.
And you'd be none the wiser.

Tactlessly, I say it like it is. And, I know it hurts. The truth often hurts those who ignore it most.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
You are ignoring real women telling you what your life experience hasnt even touched.

I read EVERYTHING that is said here on the threads that I participate in (that much should be obvious to you).
I UNDERSTAND absolutely everything that all these "real women" are telling me (and I agree with much of it); again, that should have been obvious to you.

To repeat in a different way - there is absolutely nothing I don't understand about what is said here.

What you mistake for misunderstanding is disagreement.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Does"Men will be men" excuse rape?

Wow. Do you really want to know the truth? Or do you prefer to hide behind a veil of innocence?
HINT: The truth isn't pretty. Nor politically correct.




crumpets -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 10:35:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
BOOM.

Reminds me of Patton's comment about his reason for saving Anthony McAuliffe, surrounded at Bastogne, during the Battle of the Bulge.




crumpets -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/4/2015 10:49:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
You change the goalposts

My argument was NEVER about how much a woman enjoys orgasm. Not once.
My argument was never about how many orgasms a woman can have either.

That argument, it seems to me, has NOTHING germane to do with the premise that women don't satisfy men, overall.
If they did, things would be different. Very different.

It's not good or bad. I'm not complaining at all. It is what it is, just as a buck has to fight off other bucks for the right to mate with all the females in estrus in the herd, while the remaining males sulk in the background, or go find their own herd to mate with (and fight another male for the privilege of having all the females).

It is what it is. Since it always has been this way, why would I change anything. It's impossible to change human nature.
You can only regulate it with laws, and contracts, and religious rules, etc. - but you can't change it.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
Sometimes men can't get enough sex because a magnitude of women don't show up, other times the problem is that there are enough women but their horniness/sex drive is too low to provide enough sex.

I understand your words, but, I wonder if YOU understand your words?
If any one particular man's sexual desire is "too low", then why would he be looking for even more sex on Ashley Madison?
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
In all these posts bemoaning the lack of women on adult dating sites

Do you understand your own words?
Where is anyone "bemoaning" the simple fact that, on Ashley Madison, men far outnumber the women?
Just stating a fact isn't "bemoaning".

Why do you even think that?
(Your thought process is perplexing.)
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
, there's a point men never bring up: plenty of straight men create straight profiles although they are seeking an encounter with another man.

While I have never been to the Ashley Madison site, it's my understanding, from reading the analysis, that it's a site primarily for men to find women.

Are you looking at figures that were published elsewhere (but not listed in this thread)?
Where do the numbers show a large amount of men seeking men on the Ashley Madison site?
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
I see men complaining about receiving messages from other men on CS all the time.

I'm not sure why men would complain, since it's easier to just HIDE and BLOCK, but, rest assured, I get proposals from men and TS/TVs all the time, so, men will fuck mud, or at least try to fuck mud, to paraphrase someone from another thread.

It's what men do.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
Being that AM is a site specifically designed to cater to discrete sexual encounters/relationships with much to lose, men looking for men could find others just as afraid of being outed. A man in the closet, or looking for something on the downlow, probably isn't going to advertise himself as such, much less join a gay website. I doubt there's a "seeking" category for "straight married men just looking for a bj". I am not saying that these men are skewing the numbers in droves, but there's no way to know the intent or desires of someone, only their actions.

This explanation makes a lot of sense.
Given that explanation, it would seem prudent that there are probably men looking not for women, but for men, on the Ashley Madison site, which would change the interpretation of the Male:Female ratio somewhat.

How much? I don't know.




longwayhome -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 2:04:31 AM)

Mmmmm. I'm trying hard not to say all men are not the same, only to be called for stating the obvious.

Lots of loud overstated arguments about women not wanting it as much as men certainly parade as a justification for certain types of male behaviour, and for some males not getting as much as they want (or believe their biology entitles them to).

Trying to be non judgemental, there are obviously differences, some biological and some in terms of socialisation, but many of the male/female differences seem to be based on what men and women can justify to themselves and others. Men and women do pretty well at finding each other when they really want to. I suspect many people get what they really want at some level, or at least what their psyche has, perhaps subconsciously, set them up for.

Just to state some of the obvious (many apologies) opposites to some of the more extravagant assumptions people have used to back up their contentions.
- Surprise surprise, a significant number of men do not use AM or sites like it, (even if just like some women they actively perv on the net).
- Most men do not procure professional sexual services (not that I have a problem with an honest up front financial arrangement).
- Despite the fact that a large proportion of people cheat and most relationships are not for life, it does not follow that all or even most of the people are actively cheating at this point in time in their relationships (however you and your partner/s define cheating).

Some men are dogs, but the are also women there for them to be dogs with, notwithstanding the skew on the statistics from sexual workers having an unusually large number of partners.

The old "women don't want or need sex as much as men" stuff is exactly that - old. And used to excuse all sorts of unsavoury things. Maybe if people made an effort or were honest with themselves.............

Those sort of atitudes, still alive in the 21st century, create a wall of misunderstanding and distrust that every man has to negotiate even if his default position is not cheat and deceive.




Lucylastic -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 4:22:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Im sorry I fail to see that.

Admittedly, nobody can "feel" the sexual desire of another. And yet, that is what you are trying to prove...uselessly.

We can only infer it, from the facts that we are aware of and observe. If one can be objective,, which you are failing to be

I guess we can MEASURE testosterone levels, which, you have to admit, men have higher levels of. Mr Obvious being obvious

But, we'd have to know more about the other hormones' effect on sexual drive (e.g., estrogen) to base a conclusion on hormone levels. Hormone levels during the month for women vary ... Also for men..testosterone isnt level every day. Impossible to draw a conclusion without a huge base of test subjects over a period of time, with the ability to know a lie from a truth. And the reasons for the changes in hormone levels(factual medical testing)

Even then, we'd have to prove that the higher testosterone levels in men cause sexual drives in the first place. Women have testosterone too ...wether thats a cause of sex drive isnt known. we know it right now mainly as a "measure of aggression"

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
All I see is excuses for being shady, lying and ignorant about what women feel.

I'm sorry. You must associate with low-quality men. A very poor attempt at insult. But I see low quality men every day, especially here, but Ive met criminals with a heart of gold and "upright citizens" having the minds of murderers. Low quality is subjective. However I know the warning signs for myself...Age and wisdom come hard.

Luckily, here at least, in this thread, I haven't seen any excuses yet for such behavior.Read your own posts, its all there.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
If men cant take responsibility for their ignorance about women and excuse it with *she doesnt put out Ill fuck around"
I didnt say fault, I said responsibility

If it were the men's fault, then why are the vast majority of hookers female? I didnt say fault, I said responsibility

NOTE: I'm sure male hookers exist. I have never identified one, not even one walking the streets - (which I'm sure I saw but didn't recognize); so, I'm sure male hookers exist.

However, I suspect that the female hookers outnumber male hookers; but if you have numbers on this ratio, I'd be interested in seeing them (and the numbers would be complicated by the fact that male hookers probably have two different types of clients).If you wanna talk about hookers start a new topic.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
OH..Ive been using computers since 1986

So are you trying to imply that Ashley Madison and Collarspace and other fetish sites have MORE women than men?Wow digging for a clue or what, no if I had meant that I would have said that
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Men will be men is an excuse for fucking people over.

If you think men will NOT be men, then you know absolutely nothing about men.There are so many men out there that manage to control their "natural urges" without using an excuse such as "women dont know anything about men" its a sad and pathetic assumption .
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
your multiple profiles and considerable ignorance of REAL women will not help in your search.

Do you really think I'm ignorant of women?
Or, is it simply that you don't like hearing the blunt un-sugar-coated truth? in your case it is subjective

I admit, I'm tactless. Trust me when I say that, if I wanted to kiss up to you, I could.
And you'd be none the wiser. LMAO go ahead and try it, on second thoughts dont...I dont need anymore hilarity in my life.

Tactlessly, I say it like it is. And, I know it hurts. The truth often hurts those who ignore it most.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
You are ignoring real women telling you what your life experience hasnt even touched.

I read EVERYTHING that is said here on the threads that I participate in (that much should be obvious to you). Strange that, you think you understand, but you clearly dont. that is VERY obvious.
I UNDERSTAND absolutely everything that all these "real women" are telling me (and I agree with much of it); again, that should have been obvious to you.

To repeat in a different way - there is absolutely nothing I don't understand about what is said here. [Well there is, you just wont/cant admit or accept it

What you mistake for misunderstanding is disagreement.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Does"Men will be men" excuse rape?

Wow. Do you really want to know the truth? Or do you prefer to hide behind a veil of innocence? Hide behind innocence???LMAO Im a sadist, ive worked closely with abused, raped, injured, women & men for many years. Men will be men is a really ugly excuse for hurting others.

HINT: The truth isn't pretty. Nor politically correct. Thats probably the truest statement you have made in my eyes.
But men will be men, huh.





NookieNotes -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 4:26:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
A friend of mine organizes gang-bangs. He says that out of 200 men who have said they were interested in a particular date, approximately 20 will confirm, and four or five will show up.

This is a good point, and is often considered, for example, when people write Craigslist ads, they often say "we're tired of flakes and fakes" who don't show up.


And many of THOSE people accusing others of being flakes and fakes ARE THE FLAKES AND FAKES, which is why they know it happens and expect it. They are heading off being accused by pointing the finger first.

Just wanted to clear that up.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

Where, on the net, do the women outnumber the men?


You are really something. Can't google, even to answer the most basic questions, can you?

Women DOMINATE social media: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231970

Women also dominate DATING sites: http://www.informationweek.com/women-seeking-straight-men-flock-to-sites-popular-among-women/d/d-id/1052021?

Erotica sites: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704463804576291181510459902

Here's two interesting quotes (bold mine):

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Women account for only one out of 50 purchases of porn-site subscriptions, but they make nine out of 10 purchases of romance novels. (In fact, the main billing company for porn sites flags female names as potential fraud, since so many of these charges result in an angry wife or mother demanding a refund for the misuse of her card.) In 2008, 74.8 million people read an English-language romance novel—close to the number of men who visited online pornography sites that year in the U.S. and Canada.


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And, in fact, somewhere between a quarter and a third of the visitors to the major pornography sites are women. Our data suggest that these women probably have a higher sex drive than other women and that they are more socially aggressive and more comfortable taking risks.


Those tidbits took me five minutes to find, because there were so many options.


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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it [:D]


I don't think the "volume" of sex was the issue; it's the number of partners, that is fundamentally the issue on a cheating site such as Ashley Madison advertised itself to be.

The actual copulation or orgasm numbers is not at all the same thing as wanting another person to have sex with.

Just the fact that hookers exist in the millions must tell you something (unless you prefer to ignore that fact).


Bullshit. As I pointed out before, numbers do not indicate want. Many many men want sex and don't have it. Just as many women want it and don't have it.

Quite trying to change the discussion to suit your "facts." No one is contesting that more men look for sex.


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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Reversely, the guys who know what they're doing in the sack never seem to have any complaints at all about female sex drives... interesting how to works...


We've been down this road before.
If you actually believe that the average female's sex drive is anywhere near an order of magnitude of the average male's sex drive, then you don't fundamentally understand men.


And you just parrot the same thing over and over, never actually paying attention to facts.

Because yes, we've been over this before, and you've admitted that ALL YOU HAVE IS OPINION.


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2


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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it [:D]


I don't think the "volume" of sex was the issue; it's the number of partners, that is fundamentally the issue on a cheating site such as Ashley Madison advertised itself to be.

The actual copulation or orgasm numbers is not at all the same thing as wanting another person to have sex with.

Just the fact that hookers exist in the millions must tell you something (unless you prefer to ignore that fact).


Consider that many men pay for sex with hookers not because they want more sex than women do, and not because they want more partners than women want, but possibly because paying hookers is the only way those men can get any sex at all. Not typically a problem women face. Using your brain is not prohibited on the forums.



*gigglesnorts* BOOM!


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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
All I see is excuses for being shady, lying and ignorant about what women feel.

I'm sorry. You must associate with low-quality men.


She's talking about you. LOL!

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
That argument, it seems to me, has NOTHING germane to do with the premise that women don't satisfy men, overall.


Red and bold mine, of course.

And the entitlement shows up! Perfect. Now we've gotten to the crux of the issue. It's not about more men than women on adult sites. It's not about men wanting sex more than women. It's about women not satisfying men by:

1. Putting out sex.
2. Simply accepting when a single man (crumpets) gives an opinion, that that is worth FAR more than any links or facts or wimmin's thoughts, because, man.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Those sort of atitudes, still alive in the 21st century, create a wall of misunderstanding and distrust that every man has to negotiate even if his default position is not cheat and deceive.


And every woman. This is the point I've been making.

Ever been in an argument, and had your partner tell you "I didn't do X because you would do Y, and I didn't want that," and you were standing there wondering who the hell they think you are, because that was NOT your reaction?

This is what it means to be a woman being told that we want sex less than men, and therefore, we are treated a particular way.

Just yesterday, I was told that I don't want sex, because I turned a man down because he was not attractive to me. I was told I do not want sex, because I would not accept it from a man who sent me a cock shot. I do not want sex because I would not consider a man whose main line was "hi bae".

In these, I was called a dry, shriveled old cunt, a faker, a phony, a tease getting her rocks off...

So, when you treat a woman who actually wants sex this way, because of your personal beliefs (who WOULDN'T want all that—gesturing at you), you are creating a reality for yourself, then passing that onto others like a virus, and making it that much more difficult for women to GET sex when they want it.

And more difficult for men as well, because hey, we put it out there, and we get crap like that. Better to go back to our sexy romance books and erotica. At least with those and BOB we are never left orgasmless with a bruised ego or heart...

And, believing that women don't want sex from men, makes men behave in ways that, frankly, turn women off. They barter with things they think we want (usually material goods, dinners, etc.), thinking if they just put enough $$$ into the vending machine of sex, they will eventually get the payoff, forcing us to run straight into the arms of an asshole who KNOWS women want it, and will give us the god dick, until we can't stand him anymore.

LOL!

Of course, I'm generalizing. I've seen scenarios like this happen over and over... "She doesn't like sex, she just likes men who treat her like shit."

Oh yeah... THAT'S what she's after. Duh.




Lucylastic -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 5:21:35 AM)

Giggle snorts exactly




dreamlady -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 7:00:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
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It's much easier for a man, who can't get what he wants, to say it's because men are permanently horny and woman just don't want it as much. Far more difficult to actually address why you're not getting it, or to admit that you may be sabotaging your own chances.

Much better to be a "player" in your own mind, like all the other players, and blame female sexuality, than admit that women do want it and you're just not getting it.

This was worth quoting again. But what I find especially noteworthy, and meant to applaud your astute perceptiveness the other day, is this:

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
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What is certainly true is that a woman going out at night (or onto a hook up site) is guaranteed sex if she wants it whereas that's not automatically true for a man. This is often quoted as if it's an unfair advantage. It's great if you can regularly find your perfect hook up, not so great if you have to settle for what's on offer.

Sometimes I wonder if all these men taking so many risks for a shag are really wanting no strings sex. In a world where men are often emotionally isolated, is looking for a bit of extra-marital sex sometimes a clumsy ill-considered way to connect with another human being in the only way they understand, when they can't connect with their own partner?

Rarely will I hear a man admit to this truth, that they are starved for intimacy -- emotional intimacy, often triggered by the physical touch of another or any form of attention-seeking behavior. Some men (people) meet a portion of this daily need to touch and be touched by owning a pet animal, while others choose to do hands-on work of a more tactile nature. Then there are those who inappropriately channel their unmet needs in a psychologically unhealthy manner.

Do you remember seeing those old behavioral film vignettes on baby rhesus monkeys who would choose to cling to a surrogate "mommy" monkey, flimsily covered in cloth rather than move to the comfortless, cold metal wire-fashioned prop in the glass case which contained a milk bottle? Albeit reluctantly in brief intervals.
The babies who were deprived of a cloth "mommy" did not thrive and literally withered away to death, even though they had plentiful access to nourishing and life-sustaining foods.
(It's been a number of decades, so I might have a few of the details mixed up, but that was the general gist.)

It seems to me that those males who place a greater emphasis on sex and their own sexual needs, are the ones who are the most starved for nurturing love and affection, in the form of therapeutic touch (for them) by craving actual physical contact. They speak a garbled language of emotionally stunted incognizance.
These are often the same men who are drawn to contact sports, enjoyed the skin-to-skin contact of wrestling, and who in a state of abject denial try to convince everybody around them that they don't need a Significant Other, or any other people. (It isn't just human males of varying ages who adopt this self-defense mechanism, some human females do this also.) They will argue up and down that they have (optional) wants, not needs beyond the basic ones for physical survival.

NookieNotes, your last post struck a chord with me on a feeling level. Intellectually, I can distance myself from letting my sexual desires run my life or rule over me, so I tend to downplay them. This doesn't make me sexually inhibited as a woman, but I have stringent control over the who-what-whens-wheres & hows of my turn-on valve as it relates to acting upon my urges.
Having to do with impulse control then, many men seem to be missing not only a sensitivity chip, but the turn-off switch to controlling their primal instincts and not becoming enslaved to them.

I sound like a broken record when I have to keep pointing out to sub-fevered subs that BDSM is NOT a shortcut to gaining instant intimacy with a Dominant woman, nor is there instant ownership to be had in a D/s relationship dynamic which must be developed like any other close and trusting relationship.

This mentality isn't confined to newbies thrusting their instant "submission" in your face in exchange for insta-Domming.
Cultivation to achieve fruitful results takes time; there is no instant harvest to be had, except in the fantasy world of one's imaginings. No amount of longing entitles a man to reap a harvest he did not diligently tend from a garden that doesn't belong to him or that he never had any right to in the first place. This sort of man is a trespasser and a thief at heart -- one who would lie, cheat, steal, rob, pillage and even rape women as scavenger booty, figuratively and literally, in extreme cases.

DreamLady




longwayhome -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 9:04:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Those sort of atitudes, still alive in the 21st century, create a wall of misunderstanding and distrust that every man has to negotiate even if his default position is not cheat and deceive.


And every woman. This is the point I've been making.



Absolutely every woman too.

I was mentally addressing my comments to crumpets from the point of view of making it clear that his views are not self evident to all men, with only women failing to understand on account of their biology.

These attitudes which misrepresent and demean women, don't do men any favours either, just in case he thought he was striking a blow for male solidarity.




longwayhome -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 9:52:52 PM)

DreamLady, I think that you say about physical intimacy and its role is very true.

Of course, as you allude to, there are many ways for men (and women) to meet their needs for emotional and physical intimacy indirectly. A great many of them are creative, supportive or at least non problematic, such as owning pets and engaging in contact sports.

It saddens me however that instead of redirecting energy is a positive way, many men find justifications which direct their frustrations at women in a way which ensures their continued separation, and perpetuates attitudes with far reaching consequences for women.

The gender difference on AM is there for many reasons, not just because women don't want sex and men are vile cheats. Moving the discourse on from that familiar, and for some comforting, place seems so difficult sometimes.




crumpets -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/5/2015 10:46:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I've seen scenarios like this happen over and over... "She doesn't like sex, she just likes men who treat her like shit."
Oh yeah... THAT'S what she's after. Duh.

I have never understood when people say that a woman likes a man who treats her like shit.
Personally, I've never known any.




NookieNotes -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/6/2015 5:12:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crumpets

quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I've seen scenarios like this happen over and over... "She doesn't like sex, she just likes men who treat her like shit."
Oh yeah... THAT'S what she's after. Duh.

I have never understood when people say that a woman likes a man who treats her like shit.
Personally, I've never known any.


I love that THAT is what you singled out.




Lucylastic -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/6/2015 5:55:15 AM)

Ive been up far to long to laugh.




dreamlady -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/6/2015 10:17:28 AM)

Well, you were the one who initially raised this cogent point. I merely took the ball and ran with it. [;)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: longwayhome
DreamLady, I think that you say about physical intimacy and its role is very true.
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The gender difference on AM is there for many reasons, not just because women don't want sex and men are vile cheats. Moving the discourse on from that familiar, and for some comforting, place seems so difficult sometimes.

All right, I had actually wanted to refrain from posting on this thread. The earlier thread on Male to Female Ratios had bored me to tears. [:(]

I also had a close friend, like WaywardSoul does (mine ended up getting married and moved away, so we've lost touch), who signed up on AM. She wasn't into cuckolding, but her partner of many years had been impotent, and long story short, she finally decided to test the waters. She wasn't doing this behind his back, but she still wanted to be *discreet* about things.

Now, she told me that membership privileges were free for straight women, but discovered that this only applied to straight women and not to the lesbians who were on the site. (Evidently, there was no profile category for bisexuals -- I suppose they had to create two profiles?)

She was besieged by chat requests. Constantly, to where she had to disable this feature after a couple of days. Lots of lonely dudes looking for video chat (hmm-mm, sounds familiar, doesn't it).

She ended up getting contacted in droves by vanilla-submissive men. A bunch of single guys also within that same classification, seeking to hook up with married women.

After about 3-4 months, she finally met two men. The rest were just too creepy, she told me, to risk meeting. Both gladly showed up at restaurants. Both happened to be middle-aged potheads (whoda thunk?) from corporate executive America, and she ended up getting high with them in the car. For the sake of her privacy (since I can't locate her to get her permission to be discussing her personal business, but none of you have a clue who she is, so. . . .) I would leave it at that. But as it pertains to this topic, I will divulge a smidgeon more for the sake of anecdotal "evidence."

*Big sigh*
*Another big-ass sigh*

One was a HELL-NO to the max. He'd posted pics that must have been at least 10 years old. The other one - she was wasted at the time - she allowed to orally service her, and that was all he wanted. Which contradicts what you were alleging in one or more of your posts, crumpets. This wasn't because the man's wife wouldn't let him -- it was one of the few sexual acts that she would engage in with him, . . . after a long, drawn-out massage to get her into the mood.

Low sex drive? I have no idea. Maybe he just wasn't any good at doing much of anything else. [8D] And according to her, it was nothing to write home about. Yes, I had to ask. No, she couldn't come, and after approximately half an hour, she'd decided enough was enough. [&:]

DreamLady




Hillwilliam -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/6/2015 5:05:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crumpets


quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I've seen scenarios like this happen over and over... "She doesn't like sex, she just likes men who treat her like shit."
Oh yeah... THAT'S what she's after. Duh.

I have never understood when people say that a woman likes a man who treats her like shit.
Personally, I've never known any.

I've seen it happen and I bet you have as well.




crumpets -> RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison (9/6/2015 5:18:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I love that THAT is what you singled out.

You're quite intelligent as to notice that I've pretty much lost interest, but I check in to read up, so, I'm up to date on what people said.

A new bit of somewhat related information came in today, which is that the blackmailers are apparently hitting up the Ashley Madison customers, based on an analysis of bitcoin transactions that, I didn't quite follow, but the gist is easy to imagine.

Findommes unite with those who enjoy humiliating others!

Here's a new way to garner tribute!
1. Blackmailers Have Already Made Money From the Ashley Madison Hack
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