Bhruic
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
I don't think it muddy's the waters if that is what is actually being talked about. Perhaps the OP is not detailed enough to determine that.
No, I did not get that OP's intent had anything to do with (consensual) humiliation & degradation, or what motivations the Dominants of lesbian submissives might have.
None of us knows at this juncture whether he even cares if this is done consensually -- all he wants to know is whether it is done or whether it does take place.
Your position came across, though as, if and when these event scenarios take place, we should assume that they are consensually entered into. We don't know that either, and I'll concede that this might not have been the intent of the message you wished to convey.
I don't know how you read that in to my position. Your position was an absolute that no lesbian would ever seek out or desire contact with the opposite sex, and my position was simply that for some, that may not be true.
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
Some subs/slaves relish humiliation and degradation, without the necessity of low self esteem or conflicted feelings. Consequently, a Dominant who satisfies those urges for them is not untrustworthy, nor disrespecting of boundaries.
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Many subs enjoy acts of humiliation & degradation, to a certain extent. I think that you would agree (hopefully) that Dominants should be very careful where they tread in this area so as not to cause psychological damage to their subs.
Many of us are not out to break our toys. Many of us do not lend out our toys to others for them to break (intentionally or otherwise).
There are those, however, who are not concerned with adding value to their submissives' sense of worth and overall welfare, who irresponsibly do not respect their boundaries like they should, and who are not trustworthy as a result.
Yes, I agree... but I also believe that people have many different dynamics, some edgier than others. I trust that those people know what they are doing, and that it works for them... even though it might seem extreme or damaging to me - and I try not to be "holier than thou" about it.
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
But I took this line...
"I am curious as to if there are any lesbians who have specifically sought out male masters."
... to be indicative of that grey spectrum you reference.
. . . which is your prerogative, naturally, how you choose to interpret the word "specifically sought out."
How else can you possibly interpret "specifically sought out"??? If a Lesbian seeks out a male master, or male contact, I think it is safe to say that, for that lesbian at least, the term lesbian is not an absolute.
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But by grey spectrum, for the purposes of this topic, when an OP inquires about lesbians, I'm going to take him at his word. Lesbians, not bisexual submissive women.
I would suggest that this is not taking him at his word, but putting words in his mouth.
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Specifically seeking out. Not, stumbled into a cluster fuck situation where a lesbian slave finds herself servicing males and serving a male Master, that she did not specifically seek.
Not gray areas where there are lesbians who are open to disavowing their lesbian tendencies in order to act out an ostensibly straight male Dom's kinky D/s fantasies, in order to please her lesbian Owner.
Not gray areas where lesbians who want to be humiliated & degraded want to be humiliated & degraded in this fashion. If they did, then chances are, they are not doing this to get their urges satisfied, because there would have to be an urge present if what we are discussing is consensual in nature.
The general default, I would think, would be to assume that lesbians would not ordinarily have urges to serve and to service males instead of (or in addition to) females.
Sorry, Bhruic, but I don't see that there is this huge gray area with which to divine the secret intentions of lesbians and their lesbian Masters.
Well, you don't see a gray area, and for you lesbian is an absolute term... that's your prerogative. I have many lesbian friends, and they are definitely lesbian. Some of them, I know for a fact, have had sexual experiences with men. I am not about to tell them that they are now disqualified from being able to refer to themselves as lesbian, and that they are actually confused and really bisexual. But that's just me. I see people, not labels.
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Btw, it is by personal observation, as you have also shared with us, that I came up with my loosely defined percentages (which is why I prefaced them as 'close to' and 'about roughly'). I didn't go back through my correspondences or not take the cumulative experiences of other women at face value. Even if I ran across a *credible* study, just how credible would it be unless its results could be consistently replicated.
True... we are both making personal observations. The difference is that your personal observation is in defense of an absolute idea that "lesbian" means one thing, and one thing only... and my personal observation is in defense of the idea that sexuality is not always so absolute, and that there are grey areas... ironically.
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I did not make a general characterization of males, just those who possess the same mentality as the ones who can't handle perceived rejection very well.
Nevertheless, your objection is duly noted. 
DreamLady
Fair enough... but you seemed to be lumping the OP in to that rather large category of "many men" for his simple musing on the phrase "no men", which did not seem fair to me. He expressed no ire or feelings of rejection in his post. Thus it came across as a general shot at men... but thanks for noting it.
It has been an interesting conversation. When you get right down to it though, the OP - whatever you imagine his motives and the nature of his character to be - is simply asking "Does this kink exist?" from the submissive's perspective. You seem to be arguing that it does not, and can not... and I am simply arguing that - though it may be rare - it does exist.
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