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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 5:58:01 AM   
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oh and its the cons who are praising her stand....

Kim Davis, a clerk in Rowan County, Kentucky, has been dominating the news cycle all week with her stalwart refusal to do her job. Davis, who objects to same-sex marriage, has not been allowing her office to issue licenses to same-sex couples, claiming her personal religious belief about other people's relationships should trump the law of the land. Even though the Supreme Court has rejected her argument, Davis remains defiant, and on Thursday she was jailed for her actions.
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This puts the Republican presidential candidates – all one billion of them – in a sticky situation. On the one hand, it's unwise to be seen supporting someone who is clearly destined to be a historical villain – the George Wallace of the gay civil rights era. On the other hand, you need those evangelical voters who don't know, or don't care, that future generations will see them as irredeemable bigots. Here are some of the ways conservatives are handling the situation, ranked roughly from most irrational to least.

Go full apocalyptic.
Mike Huckabee, who is running more for the evangelical speaker circuit than for president, got a headful of steam, apparently believing it's better to destroy the rule of law than let gay couples legally marry. "When people of conviction fight for what's right they often pay a price, but if they don't and we surrender, we will pay a far greater price for bowing to the false God of judicial supremacy," he railed, claiming that the Supreme Court has no authority at all over these matters. "Government is not God. No man – and certainly no unelected lawyer – has the right to redefine the laws of nature or of nature's God."

Since God isn't exactly coming off his cloud telling us what to do here, I guess we'll just have to take Huckabee's word on it.

Declare that imposing your beliefs by fiat is "religious liberty."
"The United States didn't create religious liberty. Religious liberty created the United States of America," Bobby Jindal said in a lofty statement. "This is an essential freedom and an essential right and I don't think you give up this right by simply taking a job."

Lovely words, but also nonsense. Davis is not supporting religious freedom. By using her power as county clerk to force her religious views on gay couples, she is denying them their religious freedom. What she is doing is about as straightforward as religious oppression gets.

Wool-gathering.
Rand Paul, whose favorite rhetorical strategy is "college freshman blowhard," deflected the question by getting tediously libertarian about it. "I think one way to get around the whole idea of what the Supreme Court is forcing on the states is for states just to get out of the business of giving out licenses," he argued. "And anybody can make a contract. And then if you want a marriage contract you go to a church. And so I've often said we could have gotten around all of this also in the sense that I do believe everybody has a right to a contract."

Got it. So instead of letting gay couples have marriage licenses, ban marriage for everyone except couples rich enough to hire lawyers to draft individualized contracts. Rand Paul: still convinced he's the smartest guy in the room.'

Pretend you're talking about something entirely different.
Many Republican candidates have decided to act like Davis' actions aren't an impediment to gay couples getting marriage licenses. "While the clerk's office has a governmental duty to carry out the law," Marco Rubio said in a statement, "there should be a way to protect the religious freedom and conscience rights of individuals working in the office.

"What I've said before is for someone who works in the government has a bit of a different obligation than someone who's in the private sector or obviously working for educational institutions that's religiously based or others," Chris Christie said on talk radio, "but my point is we have to protect religious liberty and people's ability to be able to practice their religion freely and openly, and of course we have to enforce the law too."

Scott Walker and Ted Cruz are pushing the same line, claiming that there must be a way to allow Davis to have her way and for gay couples to get their licenses. They clearly want you to imagine that anti-gay clerks can simply pass the license over to someone less bigoted – er, religious – and everyone can go home happy. But that's not what Davis is doing. She is forbidding her office to issue the licenses altogether. As David Ermold and David Moore, who have been turned away four times, and April Miller and Karen Roberts, who have been turned away three times, can tell you, if you live in Rowan County and Davis refuses to give you a marriage license, you don't get one at all. There is no compromise here, and these candidates are being dishonest in implying there is.

Assure conservative voters you don't like the gays, but you aren't exactly going to burn down the country over it, either.
"We are a rule-of-law nation, and I appreciate her conviction. I support traditional marriage, but she's accepted a job where she has to apply the law to everyone. And that's her choice," Lindsay Graham argued.

Carly Fiorina concurred, saying that if Davis wants to "work for the government," she should "execute the government's will." John Kasich has made almost identical comments.

All three candidates assured voters that they still don't like same-sex marriage, but clearly they don't think their bigoted beliefs are anything to destroy basic rule of law over.

Making sense.
Ben Carson's campaign, while touchy about this subject, issued a surprisingly straightforward statement: "Dr. Carson has said since the Supreme Court ruling that it is the law of land and that's what he respects." No swipes at gay couples, no nonsense about "traditional marriage." Carson is a right-wing radical in most regards, but his team wisely knows that this is not the hill to die on.

Staying the hell out of it.
Smart candidates would just stay off the record and hope this all blows over before the the next Republican debate, on September 16. In that camp, as of this writing: Jeb Bush, Rick Perry and George Pataki. Also, despite his love of running his mouth, Donald Trump has wisely stayed out of this, and Rick Santorum hasn't offered an opinion, but that's probably because no one remembered to ask him.

As painful as it is for candidates to resist injecting your name into every news cycle, the zipped-lip move is clearly the smart one. Davis was jailed Thursday afternoon, meaning the end game here is near. Siting tight and letting this one pass is the smartest thing a candidate could do.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/conservative-heads-explode-over-kentuckys-bigoted-county-clerk-20150903#ixzz3km4734Ok



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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 5:59:57 AM   
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oh and according to fox opinion(LMAO) she is now an american hero
(see my post on being a martyr)
http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/09/03/opinion-kim-davis-american-hero
Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who has refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, has been sentenced to jail for contempt of court. She’s been called many things, but “American hero” fits best.

Mrs. Davis is an American citizen. She’s a Christian. She’s an elected official. She’s also a Democrat. But unlike her fellow Democrats – Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, Barack Obama and others – Mrs. Davis didn’t try to cover anything up and she’s exercising her Constitutional rights.

The only thing Mrs. Davis is guilty of is having a conscience – something many of her fellow Democrats lack.

Take Hillary, for example. Reacting to Davis’ arrest, Hillary Clinton shot off this message on Facebook: "Marriage equality is the law of the land. Officials should be held to their duty to uphold the law—end of story."

How about equality under the law? As far as upholding the law goes, perhaps Hillary and Obama should be sharing a cell for refusing to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, immigration law, and for not protecting us from national security secrets.

No, Democrats don’t actually care about equality. Just look at the way they’ve treated their very own, Kim Davis. You would think that she went out of her way to destroy the lives of gay Americans. But for Democrats, colorful lies matter and the truth is irrelevant.

The gay couples could drive to any other county and get a marriage license, but instead of commonsense compromise, they wanted publicity, so they marched into Davis’ county office with cameras in one hand and the liberal media pushing them forward.

Kim Davis didn’t seek the spotlight. She’s just an average American who wants to live her life in peace and please her God more than anything else – something protected, no matter what job you have, even working for the government.

Mrs. Davis is one of the most heroic and brave Americans right now. She’s honoring the God of the Bible like our Founding Fathers, like Martin Luther King, Jr., like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the book of Daniel, and like many saints who have gone before her. She will not bow to the Supreme Court. She bows to the Supreme Being.

Kim Davis deserves dignity, respect, and honor for standing up for her beliefs – the same beliefs our country was founded on and the only beliefs that will carry us forward. She is willing to suffer public humiliation and imprisonment for her beliefs – what about you?

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 6:56:09 AM   
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So yet another Democrat feels it's her right to break the law, and because it's due to religious reasons, other democratic supporters are throwing her under the bus.

Democrats, we eat our own!


Wow...unlike police officers who form up behind the blue line when one of their own commits a felony it would appear that the Democrats believe in the rule of law. Is that the point you are trying to make?

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 8:21:29 AM   
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It seems marriage licences have been issued...bravo

Myself, as a laid back sensible forgiving person, I hope she rots in jail. I would not be surprised, if there is a God, that she doesn't rot in hell for thinking she has the right to speak for God.

If it were that important to an all powerful God that his creations not be allowed to live in grace... I think he would use another vassal than a bigoted Kentucky clerk to enforce his law.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 8:34:08 AM   
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Inquiring minds want to know if she has a new bff yet?

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 11:03:30 AM   
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Not sure how managed to post this.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 11:34:18 AM   
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Luck of the Irish?

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 8:08:48 PM   
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Kim Davis's lawyers and husband now argue that the marriage licenses issued by her deputies are invalid.

That leaves me wondering: Is this really about Kim Davis's personal conscience, or is it an effort to prevent anyone in Rowan County from issuing licenses to same-sex couples?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0



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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 8:31:36 PM   
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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 9:01:51 PM   
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Very good dc !!!!

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 9:16:07 PM   
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So yet another Democrat feels it's her right to break the law, and because it's due to religious reasons, other democratic supporters are throwing her under the bus.

Democrats, we eat our own!


Wow...unlike police officers who form up behind the blue line when one of their own commits a felony it would appear that the Democrats believe in the rule of law. Is that the point you are trying to make?


If that were true Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder would both be in prison.


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RE: An now jailed! - 9/4/2015 9:27:48 PM   
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So yet another Democrat feels it's her right to break the law, and because it's due to religious reasons, other democratic supporters are throwing her under the bus.

Democrats, we eat our own!

It'll be interesting to see how long she remains a Democrat after all this free lawyering and PR she's getting from those leftists at Liberty Counsel.

Not to mention the book deal, the speaking fees, and the FOX appearances that likely await her.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 9:00:05 AM   
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Kim Davis's lawyers and husband now argue that the marriage licenses issued by her deputies are invalid.

That leaves me wondering: Is this really about Kim Davis's personal conscience, or is it an effort to prevent anyone in Rowan County from issuing licenses to same-sex couples?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0





She doesn't want to admit she was wrong at this point and to be honest I have no problem with her sitting in a jail cell for a while to think things over. Not that I think it will help but it will keep her hate away from innocent people who may have crossed her path.

I thought this was interesting since most of the threads I see on facebook are grouping her with the religious right.

"In the meantime, Ms. Davis, a 49-year-old Democrat who was elected last year, has become a national symbol of religious opposition to gay marriage. Gay-rights advocates have expressed concern that jailing her makes her a more sympathetic figure to religious conservatives, and could prompt lawmakers in Kentucky and elsewhere to push for new laws carving out exemptions for public officials who oppose same-sex marriage."

Guess it's not quite the partisan issue some would like to make it.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 9:25:09 AM   
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My problem is that she is making 80K/year of taxpayer money and refuses to do her job.

Don't want to do your job? resign.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 9:31:14 AM   
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Welcome back Hillwilliam...I've missed your input...and big cock...

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 10:26:27 AM   
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I just want to say that I don't think it's fair of people to accuse you of mixing up "who" and "whom". I can't remember ever seeing you use "who". And in any case, it would be overshadowed by your unique talent for combining ignorance, delusion, illiteracy and thought-disorder, all in one post.

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The word 'An' comes from old English (some call it Middle English). It means "to come before".

No it doesn't.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 10:31:52 AM   
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I had heard that she registered as a democrat, purely for the job.
Hints that she knew...that gay marriage would be a fight. Being part of a "group set up to do just what she has done.
Does anyone know how long her son has been in the office?
Oh and as for religious freedom...


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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 10:56:32 AM   
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My problem is that she is making 80K/year of taxpayer money and refuses to do her job.

Don't want to do your job? resign.

Aside from the hypocrisy arising from her own marital history, as far as I know she hasn't returned any of the salary she was paid and presumably continues to collect for a job that she refuses to do. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell is "Christian" about anything she's done.

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 11:00:22 AM   
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For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell is "Christian" about anything she's done.

Amen, brother!

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RE: An now jailed! - 9/5/2015 9:36:24 PM   
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Aside from the hypocrisy arising from her own marital history, as far as I know she hasn't returned any of the salary she was paid and presumably continues to collect for a job that she refuses to do. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell is "Christian" about anything she's done.

I think she's claiming that all of the "unchristian" behavior associated with her marital shenanigans occurred before she joined the cannibal cult of the invisible sky wizard, so it doesn't count.

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