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Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 12:02:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Aside from the hypocrisy arising from her own marital history, as far as I know she hasn't returned any of the salary she was paid and presumably continues to collect for a job that she refuses to do. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell is "Christian" about anything she's done. I think she's claiming that all of the "unchristian" behavior associated with her marital shenanigans occurred before she joined the cannibal cult of the invisible sky wizard, so it doesn't count. Now it makes sense.

dcnovice -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 4:21:15 PM)
Oh my. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/413342-westboro-astonishes-everyone-by-slamming-anti-gay-clerk-kim-davis-the-reason-why-is-vile-but-hilarious/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM17&utm_content=17_2&ts_pid=2

TheCabal -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 4:48:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam My problem is that she is making 80K/year of taxpayer money and refuses to do her job. Don't want to do your job? resign. That's actually what should have happened. Or been impeached. That's what we do in this country to people who can't/won't do the job they've been hired to do. I'm less keen on the idea of keeping her in prison. This makes her a prisoner of conscience... and that's not something I'm keen on having in the US.

Hillwilliam -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 4:52:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam My problem is that she is making 80K/year of taxpayer money and refuses to do her job. Don't want to do your job? resign. That's actually what should have happened. Or been impeached. That's what we do in this country to people who can't/won't do the job they've been hired to do. I'm less keen on the idea of keeping her in prison. This makes her a prisoner of conscience... and that's not something I'm keen on having in the US. The problem is that she is an elected official and can only be removed by a special called meeting of the legislature. That would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. She did this deliberately knowing that the case was coming up when she ran. Now she is sitting in a jail cell making about $307/day of taxpayer money.

TheCabal -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 4:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam My problem is that she is making 80K/year of taxpayer money and refuses to do her job. Don't want to do your job? resign. That's actually what should have happened. Or been impeached. That's what we do in this country to people who can't/won't do the job they've been hired to do. I'm less keen on the idea of keeping her in prison. This makes her a prisoner of conscience... and that's not something I'm keen on having in the US. The problem is that she is an elected official and can only be removed by a special called meeting of the legislature. That would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. She did this deliberately knowing that the case was coming up when she ran. Now she is sitting in a jail cell making about $307/day of taxpayer money. I agree that takes time and would be wasteful. Still, that's the procedure we have in place for elected officials who aren't willing to do their job. And rightfully so. After all, we're talking about basically vacating an election. It SHOULDN'T be an easy process. In any event, is it any more wasteful than incarcerating her AND paying her salary?

PeonForHer -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 5:02:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Oh my. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/413342-westboro-astonishes-everyone-by-slamming-anti-gay-clerk-kim-davis-the-reason-why-is-vile-but-hilarious/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM17&utm_content=17_2&ts_pid=2 Far out. There's poor Kim, thinking she's one of the Chosen who righteously hates the people God's told her to hate ... and all the time, she's actually one of God's Hated herself. Altogether now, tune by Lennon and McCartney: "All you need is hate, Da-der-der-der-der"

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 5:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The person whom refuses to do her job in government. Where are all the calls from conservatives and libertarians that this woman should be removed for not following the law? Uhhhhhhh.....she was removed. I don't see a need for a thousand editorials.

Hillwilliam -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 5:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: joether The person whom refuses to do her job in government. Where are all the calls from conservatives and libertarians that this woman should be removed for not following the law? Uhhhhhhh.....she was removed. I don't see a need for a thousand editorials. No, she wasn't. she is sitting in jail reading her bible and collecting an 80K/year paycheck.

MercTech -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 6:48:05 PM)
This should be in interesting court case. I can see the play now; the clerk invokes the "right of refusal" in the workplace because it would endanger her immortal soul. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjADahUKEwiGlPnY5OPHAhVDEZIKHc-1AbA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepages.se.edu%2Fcvonbergen%2Ffiles%2F2012%2F11%2FConscience-in-the-Workplace.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE9MtCF8iL-KvWyxW29DlBjfIsGDw&sig2=V-MEswESHl1VwfmcyoqQJA http://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/10705.pdf

Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 6:59:06 PM)
quote: I agree that takes time and would be wasteful. Still, that's the procedure we have in place for elected officials who aren't willing to do their job. And rightfully so. After all, we're talking about basically vacating an election. It SHOULDN'T be an easy process. Is it your legal opinion that the court had no juridsdiction and that she is in jail illegally? quote: In any event, is it any more wasteful than incarcerating her AND paying her salary? One would think that the math of that problem would be pretty simple for a third grader. Isn't she drawing her salary in both instances?

Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:02:00 PM)
quote: After all, we're talking about basically vacating an election. The election has not been vacated. She is still the clerk and she is still drawing her pay. Any time she would like to do the job she was hired to do she can go back to work.

TheCabal -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: I agree that takes time and would be wasteful. Still, that's the procedure we have in place for elected officials who aren't willing to do their job. And rightfully so. After all, we're talking about basically vacating an election. It SHOULDN'T be an easy process. Is it your legal opinion that the court had no juridsdiction and that she is in jail illegally? No. I think the court has jurisdiction and is legally holding her for contempt. I question the wisdom of it, not the legality of it. There are other options available to the court that solve the marriage license problem that don't involve turning Davis into a political prisoner/prisoner of conscience. As things stand now, the court has turned her into something of a martyr... basically the gay rights movement is doing the political equivalent of shoving their marriage license up her ass. The intelligent thing to do is find a solution to the problem without appearing to be bullies. quote: quote: In any event, is it any more wasteful than incarcerating her AND paying her salary? One would think that the math of that problem would be pretty simple for a third grader. Isn't she drawing her salary in both instances? Yes, she is drawing her salary in both instances. The problem is she was duly elected to this position. Removing her from it means following the correct legal procedure. Ie: impeachment, or whatever the procedure is in Kentucky. If you don't, you no longer get to use the 'but she's not following the law!' argument, because now you're not following it either. A judge can't just vacate an election. Thank Goodness. In short, if you want her gone, the removal process needs to start regardless of the cost or efficiency of it. Keeping her in jail only adds to that cost. There are, however, other less drastic options that solve the problem without locking someone up. For example, change the marriage licensing laws so that her name comes off of it, and any of her deputy clerks can sign the license. That might be as simple as an executive order from the Governor. Or my personal favorite: de-regulate marriage entirely and just have the government treat everyone as an individual. No more civil marriage.

Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:25:20 PM)
The election has not been vacated. She is still the clerk and she is still drawing her pay. Any time she would like to do the job she was hired to do she can go back to work.

dcnovice -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:26:45 PM)
quote: There are other options available to the court that solve the marriage license problem that don't involve turning Davis into a political prisoner/prisoner of conscience. Such as . . . ? quote: basically the gay rights movement is doing the political equivalent of shoving their marriage license up her ass. Oh my. ETA: If memory serves, the attorneys for the couples denied licenses specifically requested that she not be jailed. The judge disagreed, saying that fines would likely be paid by her lawyers and supporters rather than Davis herself.

PeonForHer -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:26:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez The election has not been vacated. She is still the clerk and she is still drawing her pay. Any time she would like to do the job she was hired to do she can go back to work. Really? I'd have thought that wouldn't automatically expunge the 'contempt' charge.

Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:27:53 PM)
quote: there are other options available to the court that solve the marriage license problem What would those be?

Thegunnysez -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:30:29 PM)
quote: There are, however, other less drastic options that solve the problem without locking someone up. For example, change the marriage licensing laws so that her name comes off of it, and any of her deputy clerks can sign the license. That might be as simple as an executive order from the Governor. That would in fact be vacating the election. If you change the job description of what she was elected to do that is in effect vacating the election.

Hillwilliam -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:37:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez The election has not been vacated. She is still the clerk and she is still drawing her pay. Any time she would like to do the job she was hired to do she can go back to work. Really? I'd have thought that wouldn't automatically expunge the 'contempt' charge. As soon as she is willing to tell the judge "Ok, I'll go and do my job as the law says" she gets out of jail.

PeonForHer -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:39:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam As soon as she is willing to tell the judge "Ok, I'll go and do my job as the law says" she gets out of jail. OK. Wow.

dcnovice -> RE: An now jailed! (9/6/2015 7:41:44 PM)
quote: any of her deputy clerks can sign the license They've been doing that since she was jailed, but Davis's lawyers and husband (he of the "Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah" sign) argue that those licenses are invalid. That makes me wonder: Is this really about her conscience (which could, after all, have been satisfied by the far less dire step of resigning) or is it about preventing any marriage licenses for same-sex couples in Rowan County?

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