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I understand. If you want it to be a baby it is a baby. If you don't want it to be a baby it isn't a baby.

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Gunny that "ALL' includes 100% of the doctors? I don't think so.

Lucy.

This is a bad situation. That is terrorism and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Then all you have to do is find me a licensed MD to say so. Doctors are taught the proper names for the body parts and proceedures and so forth. The word they use for what is growing inside a womb is fetus.

right....when husbands and wives go to their ob-gyn, the doctors never say the word "baby" to them, they only ever use the word "fetus." mr and mrs jones, your fetus is doing fine. mr and mrs smith, your fetus is a boy. mr and mrs Johnson, see that's your fetus in the ultrasound.

at the same time, a contusion is a still a bruise, a laceration is still a cut, the tibia is still a shin and all liberal dissembling and wordplay aside, a fetus is still a baby.

Usually those are "couples" who want to go to term, those who are happy they are pregnant.
All my three live births were babys, in actual fact, one was a pod, after I had my ultrasound at 14 weeks.
If I had wanted an abortion, I would have had one before they can sex the fetus on an ultrasound. Of course, I did get pregnant, after I had my tubes tied.
That nearly killed me. it was not a baby, it was a mass that burst my fallopian tube

Just curious, when you were seeing your doctor did he ever refer to the fetus as a baby?

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It really doesn't matter to some people. They do what they want regardless.

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human body = carbon based unit
~M4

conclusion: not a living blood pumping human, but carbon and a few other elements mixed together.


another thread readily digressing into the absurd.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It really doesn't matter to some people. They do what they want regardless.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Gunny that "ALL' includes 100% of the doctors? I don't think so.

Lucy.

This is a bad situation. That is terrorism and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Then all you have to do is find me a licensed MD to say so. Doctors are taught the proper names for the body parts and proceedures and so forth. The word they use for what is growing inside a womb is fetus.

right....when husbands and wives go to their ob-gyn, the doctors never say the word "baby" to them, they only ever use the word "fetus." mr and mrs jones, your fetus is doing fine. mr and mrs smith, your fetus is a boy. mr and mrs Johnson, see that's your fetus in the ultrasound.

at the same time, a contusion is a still a bruise, a laceration is still a cut, the tibia is still a shin and all liberal dissembling and wordplay aside, a fetus is still a baby.

Usually those are "couples" who want to go to term, those who are happy they are pregnant.
All my three live births were babys, in actual fact, one was a pod, after I had my ultrasound at 14 weeks.
If I had wanted an abortion, I would have had one before they can sex the fetus on an ultrasound. Of course, I did get pregnant, after I had my tubes tied.
That nearly killed me. it was not a baby, it was a mass that burst my fallopian tube

Just curious, when you were seeing your doctor did he ever refer to the fetus as a baby?

No the surgeon said IT was killing me.

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I was talking about the live births and I am having a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out on your own.

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I was talking about the live births and I am having a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out on your own.

I am having a hard time believing someone as smart as you would try such a childish ambush. On the other hand I an not surprised you got sandbaged.

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Terrorism? nah...its just protest...despite the death threats,
LOL
Death Threats On Abortion Providers Spike
In Wake Of Planned Parenthood Videos
"I'll pay ten large to whomever kills Dr. Deborah Nucatola," one person posted.
In July, shortly after an anti-abortion group aired an undercover video of a top Planned Parenthood doctor discussing the donation of fetal tissue after abortions, an individual using the name "Joseywhales" posted an ominous warning on Fox Nation.
"I'll pay ten large to whomever kills Dr. Deborah Nucatola," the person wrote, referring to the senior director of Planned Parenthood who was filmed in the video. "Anyone. Go for it."
The same person went on to threaten Cate Dyer, the CEO of StemExpress, a biomedicine company that procures fetal tissue for medical research.
"The CEO of StemExpress should be hung by the neck using piano wire and propped up on the lawn in front of the building with a note attached," Joseywhales wrote, according to a legal complaint filed by the National Abortion Federation in a California district court.
The person then posted Dyer's home address and offered "ten grand to whomever beats me" to her house, warning that Dyer "must die to save the innocents."
According to abortion rights advocates, Joseywhales' post is just one example of an alarming spike in death threats and violent acts against abortion providers, clinics and companies that work with them since the undercover videos of Planned Parenthood were released. Two Planned Parenthood clinics have reported arsons, anti-abortion protesters are showing up in large numbers at doctors' homes, and commenters on conservative websites and online forums are calling for the bombings of abortion clinics across the country, according to Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation. Saporta is so alarmed by the escalation of threats against providers that she asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigations to intervene.
"In my 20 years at NAF, I have never seen such a volume, intensity and escalation of hate speech, threats and criminal activity, and we would like to prevent a serious violent act from occurring," she told The Huffington Post in an interview. "We have enlisted law enforcement's help."
If history is any indication, death threats against abortion providers should be taken seriously. Two abortion doctors have been murdered during Saporta's tenure at NAF: Dr. George Tiller in 2009 and Dr. Barnett Slepian in 1998. Slepian was shot in his home after returning from synagogue, and Tiller was shot in the head while attending church services on a Sunday morning.
Saporta had worked with them both.
"I in 20 years have taken two phone calls telling me two of my member physicians had been murdered by anti-abortion extremists," she said. "I don't ever want to take a call like that again."
The heavily edited videos of Planned Parenthood were designed to incite strong emotional responses. They show Nucatola and other doctors discussing in a frank tone how they would preserve fetal organs during an abortion in order to obtain intact specimens to donate for medical research. In one video, a Planned Parenthood official jokes that she would like to buy a Lamborghini with the modest reimbursements her clinic receives from fetal tissue procurement companies.
Planned Parenthood maintains that it has done nothing illegal; a law passed in 1993 explicitly allows for the donation of fetal tissue after elective abortions and small reimbursements for the associated costs. The family planning organization reported that it receives no more than $60 per specimen, which only covers the costs of transporting and preserving the tissue. Five state investigations into Planned Parenthood have turned up no evidence of wrongdoing. But the videos have enraged abortion opponents, who claim Planned Parenthood is engaged in the illegal trafficking of fetal body parts for profit.
Abortion providers are staying mum about the threats for security reasons. A Planned Parenthood spokesperson said the organization is concerned about the safety and security of its providers in the wake of the videos, but could not comment on the specifics of the threats or the security measures it is taking. Nucatola could not be reached for comment, and StemExpress directed all questions to the press releases it has already issued on its website.
The Department of Justice convened a meeting of its National Task Force on Violence Against Health Care Providers in the wake of the videos. Saporta said law enforcement is continuously investigating death threats online as her organization finds and reports them.
"We would like to see this deescalate and not continue to escalate into a violent incident," she said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abortion-providers-face-death-threats-in-wake-of-planned-parenthood-videos_55e88bbae4b0b7a9633c3f47
other links
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-abn-planned-parenthood-fire-st-0730-20150729-story.html
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/protestors-greet-planned-parenthood-baby-parts-doc-at-her-home/
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/08/authorities_investigating_car.html

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Terrorism? nah...its just protest...despite the death threats,
LOL
Death Threats On Abortion Providers Spike
In Wake Of Planned Parenthood Videos
"I'll pay ten large to whomever kills Dr. Deborah Nucatola," one person posted.
In July, shortly after an anti-abortion group aired an undercover video of a top Planned Parenthood doctor discussing the donation of fetal tissue after abortions, an individual using the name "Joseywhales" posted an ominous warning on Fox Nation.
"I'll pay ten large to whomever kills Dr. Deborah Nucatola," the person wrote, referring to the senior director of Planned Parenthood who was filmed in the video. "Anyone. Go for it."
The same person went on to threaten Cate Dyer, the CEO of StemExpress, a biomedicine company that procures fetal tissue for medical research.
"The CEO of StemExpress should be hung by the neck using piano wire and propped up on the lawn in front of the building with a note attached," Joseywhales wrote, according to a legal complaint filed by the National Abortion Federation in a California district court.
The person then posted Dyer's home address and offered "ten grand to whomever beats me" to her house, warning that Dyer "must die to save the innocents."
According to abortion rights advocates, Joseywhales' post is just one example of an alarming spike in death threats and violent acts against abortion providers, clinics and companies that work with them since the undercover videos of Planned Parenthood were released. Two Planned Parenthood clinics have reported arsons, anti-abortion protesters are showing up in large numbers at doctors' homes, and commenters on conservative websites and online forums are calling for the bombings of abortion clinics across the country, according to Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation. Saporta is so alarmed by the escalation of threats against providers that she asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigations to intervene.
"In my 20 years at NAF, I have never seen such a volume, intensity and escalation of hate speech, threats and criminal activity, and we would like to prevent a serious violent act from occurring," she told The Huffington Post in an interview. "We have enlisted law enforcement's help."
If history is any indication, death threats against abortion providers should be taken seriously. Two abortion doctors have been murdered during Saporta's tenure at NAF: Dr. George Tiller in 2009 and Dr. Barnett Slepian in 1998. Slepian was shot in his home after returning from synagogue, and Tiller was shot in the head while attending church services on a Sunday morning.
Saporta had worked with them both.
"I in 20 years have taken two phone calls telling me two of my member physicians had been murdered by anti-abortion extremists," she said. "I don't ever want to take a call like that again."
The heavily edited videos of Planned Parenthood were designed to incite strong emotional responses. They show Nucatola and other doctors discussing in a frank tone how they would preserve fetal organs during an abortion in order to obtain intact specimens to donate for medical research. In one video, a Planned Parenthood official jokes that she would like to buy a Lamborghini with the modest reimbursements her clinic receives from fetal tissue procurement companies.
Planned Parenthood maintains that it has done nothing illegal; a law passed in 1993 explicitly allows for the donation of fetal tissue after elective abortions and small reimbursements for the associated costs. The family planning organization reported that it receives no more than $60 per specimen, which only covers the costs of transporting and preserving the tissue. Five state investigations into Planned Parenthood have turned up no evidence of wrongdoing. But the videos have enraged abortion opponents, who claim Planned Parenthood is engaged in the illegal trafficking of fetal body parts for profit.
Abortion providers are staying mum about the threats for security reasons. A Planned Parenthood spokesperson said the organization is concerned about the safety and security of its providers in the wake of the videos, but could not comment on the specifics of the threats or the security measures it is taking. Nucatola could not be reached for comment, and StemExpress directed all questions to the press releases it has already issued on its website.
The Department of Justice convened a meeting of its National Task Force on Violence Against Health Care Providers in the wake of the videos. Saporta said law enforcement is continuously investigating death threats online as her organization finds and reports them.
"We would like to see this deescalate and not continue to escalate into a violent incident," she said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abortion-providers-face-death-threats-in-wake-of-planned-parenthood-videos_55e88bbae4b0b7a9633c3f47
other links
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-abn-planned-parenthood-fire-st-0730-20150729-story.html
https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/protestors-greet-planned-parenthood-baby-parts-doc-at-her-home/
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/08/authorities_investigating_car.html

I hope anyone making death threats against anyone else, is caught and found guilty. I support anyone found guilty of making death threats getting the appropriate sentencing.

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And yes that also means I am calling bullshit on your claim "Medical doctors all agree that there is no such thing as an unborn baby." but you already knew that didn't you?

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I hope anyone making death threats against anyone else, is caught and found guilty. I support anyone found guilty of making death threats getting the appropriate sentencing.

Of course, consevatives call for the punishment of right wing extremists, liberals make excuses for left wing extremists.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I hope anyone making death threats against anyone else, is caught and found guilty. I support anyone found guilty of making death threats getting the appropriate sentencing.

Of course, consevatives call for the punishment of right wing extremists, liberals make excuses for left wing extremists.

But, a conservative can't say anything about left wing extremists without being accused of not saying anything against right wing extremists, so I'm just getting ahead of that rebuttal.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Gunny that "ALL' includes 100% of the doctors? I don't think so.

Lucy.

This is a bad situation. That is terrorism and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Then all you have to do is find me a licensed MD to say so. Doctors are taught the proper names for the body parts and proceedures and so forth. The word they use for what is growing inside a womb is fetus.

right....when husbands and wives go to their ob-gyn, the doctors never say the word "baby" to them, they only ever use the word "fetus." mr and mrs jones, your fetus is doing fine. mr and mrs smith, your fetus is a boy. mr and mrs Johnson, see that's your fetus in the ultrasound.

at the same time, a contusion is a still a bruise, a laceration is still a cut, the tibia is still a shin and all liberal dissembling and wordplay aside, a fetus is still a baby.

Usually those are "couples" who want to go to term, those who are happy they are pregnant.
All my three live births were babys, in actual fact, one was a pod, after I had my ultrasound at 14 weeks.
If I had wanted an abortion, I would have had one before they can sex the fetus on an ultrasound. Of course, I did get pregnant, after I had my tubes tied.
That nearly killed me. it was not a baby, it was a mass that burst my fallopian tube

Just curious, when you were seeing your doctor did he ever refer to the fetus as a baby?

No the surgeon said IT was killing me.

I was talking about the live births and I am having a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out on your own.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I hope anyone making death threats against anyone else, is caught and found guilty. I support anyone found guilty of making death threats getting the appropriate sentencing.

Of course, consevatives call for the punishment of right wing extremists, liberals make excuses for left wing extremists.

But, a conservative can't say anything about left wing extremists without being accused of not saying anything against right wing extremists, so I'm just getting ahead of that rebuttal.

Even though it is a lie.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I hope anyone making death threats against anyone else, is caught and found guilty. I support anyone found guilty of making death threats getting the appropriate sentencing.

Of course, consevatives call for the punishment of right wing extremists, liberals make excuses for left wing extremists.

But, a conservative can't say anything about left wing extremists without being accused of not saying anything against right wing extremists, so I'm just getting ahead of that rebuttal.

Even though it is a lie.

What's a lie?

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FR

I would have thought that the medics would refer to a 'baby' when, for instance, talking to the parents and when the latter want said baby to come to term. On the other hand I'd bet they'd refer to a 'foetus' or an 'it' amongst themselves, also with the mother/father in the context of talking about, say, an abortion. My feeling is that, for the most part, the medics don't want to involve themselves in the ethical or religious debates, partly because it's not their province and aren't qualified to do so. They're medics and want to practise their medicine.