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Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/4/2015 5:48:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Christian and Muslim refugees should be housed separately, says German police chief

As attacks on Christians in asylum seeker centres increase and religious groups clash, Jörg Radek says refugees should be separately accommodated... Christian and Muslim refugees should be housed separately in Germany to minimise tensions following growing levels of violence... "The police have reached their absolute breaking point," said Mr Radek.

But hey, things will be ever so much better once they're released into the German population.

The clashes were over food, not Religion... All this from your link.

Yeah, no. Nothing at the link says that the clashes were over food, only that the first clash occurred at the canteen. If the headline is wrong about Radek's status, the fact remains:

Mr Radek’s comments follow calls from German MPs from across the political spectrum for better protection for Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities in asylum accommodation.

K.



Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/4/2015 6:08:36 PM)


Promoting diversity in modern Germany...

Live better without Nazis
Every year more Germans die than are born. That is very fortunate.

K.










blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/5/2015 3:22:45 AM)

is there anybody in urgent need of someone to hate?

try looking in your mirror



kdsub -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/5/2015 11:26:34 AM)

I wonder if we are honest with ourselves how many of us can honestly say we are without hate?

Butch



blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/6/2015 2:18:51 AM)

hatred and honesty have hardly more in common than the first letter



tweakabelle -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/6/2015 3:02:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I wonder if we are honest with ourselves how many of us can honestly say we are without hate?

Butch

Whether any one of us is without hate or not does not diminish in any way the fact that struggling against hate, on both personal and societal levels, is a noble and desirable endeavour. Equally the overwhelming need to reject any politics that carries a significant hate component is not diminished an iota by whatever personal levels of hatred those who oppose the politics of hate may possess.

It is not acceptable or valid to assert that hate is 'natural'. It is not. Hate of the variety were are discussing here is a socially generated phobia that relies on ignorance and fear to exist and flourish. It is a poisonous phenomenon notable for the fact that it doesn't possess a single redeeming virtue, which is reason enough to oppose the politics of hate where ever and when ever it occurs.



Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/6/2015 6:23:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Whether any one of us is without hate or not does not diminish in any way the fact that struggling against hate, on both personal and societal levels, is a noble and desirable endeavour. Equally the overwhelming need to reject any politics that carries a significant hate component is not diminished an iota by whatever personal levels of hatred those who oppose the politics of hate may possess.

It is not acceptable or valid to assert that hate is 'natural'. It is not. Hate of the variety were are discussing here is a socially generated phobia that relies on ignorance and fear to exist and flourish. It is a poisonous phenomenon notable for the fact that it doesn't possess a single redeeming virtue, which is reason enough to oppose the politics of hate where ever and when ever it occurs.

I am very suspicious of people who are quick to attribute "hate" to those with differing views. Quite aside from the pretense to mind-reading, it reeks of a self-ordained moral superiority.

K.



kdsub -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/6/2015 8:15:41 AM)

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It is not acceptable or valid to assert that hate is 'natural'. It is not.


Of course it is... and it is not particularly rational either... it is an emotion that manifests itself often outside of our reasoning mind. It is also unpredictable and can be intermittent in its manifestation.

I feel it quite often and I will bet you are fooling yourself if you don't as well. But I do agree with you that it is a noble endeavor to first recognize when the hate is not rational then try to control it.

Butch



blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/6/2015 9:58:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Promoting diversity in modern Germany...

Live better without Nazis
Every year more Germans die than are born. That is very fortunate.

K.









I am very suspicious of people who are quick to attribute "hate" to those with differing views. Quite aside from the pretense to mind-reading, it reeks of a self-ordained moral superiority.






hypocrisy



blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 1:23:30 PM)

back to topic:

figures for September:

167 000 refugees, mostly from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan arrived in Germany in September




PeonForHer -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 3:36:55 PM)

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I am very suspicious of people who are quick to attribute "hate" to those with differing views. Quite aside from the pretense to mind-reading, it reeks of a self-ordained moral superiority.


I do think that those who don't tend to hate are morally and spiritually superior to those who do, K. However, I'm not at all a learned man when it comes to the spiritual texts of the world, so I admit to speaking from a position of ignorance, here.



Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 5:07:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I am very suspicious of people who are quick to attribute "hate" to those with differing views. Quite aside from the pretense to mind-reading, it reeks of a self-ordained moral superiority.

I do think that those who don't tend to hate are morally and spiritually superior to those who do, K. However, I'm not at all a learned man when it comes to the spiritual texts of the world, so I admit to speaking from a position of ignorance, here.

Don't be snide. Inferring "hatred" as the motive behind views with which you disagree is a cheap mind-reading trick, and there is no moral superiority in being a hater yourself by hating hate.

K.



kdsub -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 6:16:48 PM)

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I do think that those who don't tend to hate are morally and spiritually superior to those who do


No they just lack conviction and emotion that stimulates action... otherwise they are not leaders. There is nothing wrong with hate and even less so when you are right.

I think despite what you believe the people you are describing only exist on Vulcan...[:D]

Butch



PeonForHer -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 6:17:55 PM)

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Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 6:34:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There is nothing wrong with hate and even less so when you are right.

Ah, so hate is fine and dandy as long as you hate the right things, reserving to yourself (of course) the privilege of deciding what those "right things" are. Well that's very slick, Butch, but that kind of thinking has produced some of history's more memorable tolls of death and suffering.

K.





kdsub -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 8:18:12 PM)

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Ah, so hate is fine and dandy as long as you hate the right things,


It is not fine or dandy just reality...but it is better if you hate the right things. What is right...well that is up to history if there needs to be a judgement.

Remember hate is just an intense dislike of something not irrational in a sane person.

Butch



Kirata -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/8/2015 10:18:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

hate is just an intense dislike of something not irrational in a sane person.

That's a cute dance step, but you know as well as I do, or should, that the connotations attached to hatred go far beyond merely an "intense dislike". They include contempt, loathing, abhorrence, malevolence, scorn, and spite.

K.




tweakabelle -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/9/2015 5:45:28 AM)

Odd that you neglected to mention that hate is also a precursor, often a direct cause, of discrimination, marginalisation, violence, rape, murder, torture, aggression, genocide and an entire litany of other horrors.

Usually the kind of hate that inspires these outcomes is the socially generated kind - the kind that is learned and can be unlearned by anyone with a modicum of moral courage and insight. That this kind of hate can be unlearned, and the fact that it doesn't have a single redeeming virtue, makes those who cling to their hatreds, and those who act out their hatreds more culpable.

What those who hate fail to realise is that the hate they cling to results in far more damage to themselves than anyone else.



bounty44 -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/9/2015 6:27:19 AM)

i haven't been following the thread and so some of this already might have been touched on:

monica Crowley, a conservative radio host and fox news contributor recently returned from a trip to Europe where among other things, she witnessed the topic of this thread.

her impression: there are few women and children compared to men of "fighting age," that it felt more like an invasion as opposed to a crisis immigration and the locals she spoke with are fearful for their safety because of some of the actions of the immigrants.

http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=4031&dest=/pg/jsp/community/tvshowprint.jsp

here's a transcript:

http://financearmageddon.blogspot.com/2015/10/europe-migration-crisis-this-is-invasion.html




blnymph -> RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family lost but Father (10/9/2015 7:03:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i haven't been following the thread and so some of this already might have been touched on:

monica Crowley, a conservative radio host and fox news contributor recently returned from a trip to Europe where among other things, she witnessed the topic of this thread.

her impression: there are few women and children compared to men of "fighting age," that it felt more like an invasion as opposed to a crisis immigration and the locals she spoke with are fearful for their safety because of some of the actions of the immigrants.

http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=4031&dest=/pg/jsp/community/tvshowprint.jsp

here's a transcript:

http://financearmageddon.blogspot.com/2015/10/europe-migration-crisis-this-is-invasion.html





as an eye witness for weeks in Munich central station (where all trains from Hungary and Austria terminate) I can only state the opposite of what that lady gives as her summary. Proportions of sexes vary over the hours and from day to day as families are usually transported together and with priority, so there are days when there are single trains with predominantly males travelling alone (should make sense when you think about it).

That lady does not give any places, dates, names of witnesses ("a Czech doctor" and the like - btw that one's statements (read in the second link) are simply absurd, talking about illnesses he claims not to able to name - a medical student has to learn these things as an undergraduate) - in short, no hard evidence for anything. All the "scary" parts - no evidence, where, when, and what.

That lady has no clues about serious journalism

I seriously hope not all the sources informing you about the situation are like that



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