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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/25/2015 3:32:16 AM   
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the notorious link is in message nr. 288 - which is not yours, K., sorry for that impression - from there the racism discussion went on.
"you" in English is unfortunately not precise, addressing either one or more than one person. The second was intended.



No it wasn't his but I am not sure impression is the right word. "Flat out lie" would work or perhaps "bullshit lie, but impression. yea not so much.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/25/2015 3:35:15 AM   
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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/25/2015 5:44:13 PM   
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This isnt the first time we have clashed over you defending racism when I have pointed it out, and it wont be the last. Your Islamophobia speaks for itself, even on this thread.

Now it's Isalmophobia? Woof. And "even on this thread" too! Got any links? No wait, I forgot. You don't need links. You "know" these things.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The only illiterate fuckwit here seems to be you and your racist assertion that "4000 black people hanging from trees" is a dishonest account. Sure they may not have all been innocent or indeed all hung from trees, but I supplied you with a link showing the general numbers were correct, which is more than you seem able of doing. Oh I forgot, white people were strung up as well, which in your mind makes it okay.

You're making shit up again, and pulling five words out of context (again with no link) isn't going to help you. I didn't quibble about the number. And I never said that anything "makes it okay." But no matter, you know these things. You read minds.

What a sick little slug you are. Wipe up your slime trail on the way out.

K.





Your posts are there for anyone to see. You really shouldnt complain about taking peoples words out of context, because thats your speciality. I have already said I was on about your post in general. As for you claiming I am making things up about your Islamophobia try reading your post ~254, or come to that many of the ones that followed. failing that what about your claim that the family of the child who drowned were not refugees because they had fled to Turkey, cant you even read the fucking news on Turkish treatment of Kurds ?

Your hollier than though bullshit is still just bullshit.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/25/2015 6:39:43 PM   
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Your posts are there for anyone to see... As for you claiming I am making things up about your Islamophobia try reading your post ~254, or come to that many of the ones that followed.

I'll stick with you making shit up. But why start at post 254? Why not farther back? How about post 234?

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America wouldn't necessarily have had to defeat France alone either. Alliances shift, and wars always hold surprises. If you want to run around loose calling other people stupid, you would look less silly without the turban.

Still flinging your racist turban remarks about then.

But okay, that time you were calling me a racist. Let's find one somewhere that really shows my Islamophobia.

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Some sick bastards blow up children and preach jihad in the name of Islam. Some sick bastards kill abortion doctors and celebrate the deaths of gay solders in the name of Christianity. Some sick bastards slaughter millions in the name of a political ideology. Some sick bastards commit rape and murder because it gets them off. Some sick bastards blame religions, political ideologies, or kink for the world's problems.

The common element here is sick bastards.

Woof. How that's for shameful? Makes anything in this thread look tame!

You're a lying piece of shit. Have a nice day.

K.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/28/2015 6:32:32 AM   
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for those who might wonder if the mass exodus has gone down by number

no it has not

refugees crossing the border from slovenia to austria, from austria to germany at rates of 5000 to 7000 per day

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/29/2015 5:01:43 AM   
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storm in the aegean - at least one boat capsized on the passage to Lesbos (Greece), at least eleven drowned, 2 of them children, about 40 still missing

what made the news months ago is going on and on and on and on

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/30/2015 8:59:22 AM   
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just again some update - not by date actually

for those who might wonder if the mass exodus has gone down by number

no it has not

refugees crossing the border from slovenia to austria, from austria to germany at rates of 5000 to 7000 per day

I found these online and thought they might be of interest. Both show where the migrants are coming from, the routes they're taking, and where they're going.

Mapping the migration here.

Interactive map and chart here.

K.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/30/2015 12:57:24 PM   
blnymph


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by plane to Moscow, then another to Murmansk, from there crossing the border to Norway at Kirkenes - by ... bicycle

since the border crossing there is not permitted either for pedestrians or for cars

not yet mapped on your links

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/30/2015 5:47:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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Your posts are there for anyone to see... As for you claiming I am making things up about your Islamophobia try reading your post ~254, or come to that many of the ones that followed.

I'll stick with you making shit up. But why start at post 254? Why not farther back? How about post 234?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

America wouldn't necessarily have had to defeat France alone either. Alliances shift, and wars always hold surprises. If you want to run around loose calling other people stupid, you would look less silly without the turban.

Still flinging your racist turban remarks about then.

But okay, that time you were calling me a racist. Let's find one somewhere that really shows my Islamophobia.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Some sick bastards blow up children and preach jihad in the name of Islam. Some sick bastards kill abortion doctors and celebrate the deaths of gay solders in the name of Christianity. Some sick bastards slaughter millions in the name of a political ideology. Some sick bastards commit rape and murder because it gets them off. Some sick bastards blame religions, political ideologies, or kink for the world's problems.

The common element here is sick bastards.

Woof. How that's for shameful? Makes anything in this thread look tame!

You're a lying piece of shit. Have a nice day.

K.



More bollocks from you K. Pure spin is all you have, If you dont wish to see youre bullshit questioned, then stop fucking posting it.

I had forgotten your racist turban comment. But thanks for reminding the audience.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/30/2015 5:54:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Your posts are there for anyone to see... As for you claiming I am making things up about your Islamophobia try reading your post ~254, or come to that many of the ones that followed.

I'll stick with you making shit up. But why start at post 254? Why not farther back? How about post 234?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

America wouldn't necessarily have had to defeat France alone either. Alliances shift, and wars always hold surprises. If you want to run around loose calling other people stupid, you would look less silly without the turban.

Still flinging your racist turban remarks about then.

But okay, that time you were calling me a racist. Let's find one somewhere that really shows my Islamophobia.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

Some sick bastards blow up children and preach jihad in the name of Islam. Some sick bastards kill abortion doctors and celebrate the deaths of gay solders in the name of Christianity. Some sick bastards slaughter millions in the name of a political ideology. Some sick bastards commit rape and murder because it gets them off. Some sick bastards blame religions, political ideologies, or kink for the world's problems.

The common element here is sick bastards.

Woof. How that's for shameful? Makes anything in this thread look tame!

You're a lying piece of shit. Have a nice day.


More bollocks from you K. Pure spin is all you have, If you dont wish to see youre bullshit questioned, then stop fucking posting it.

I had forgotten your racist turban comment. But thanks for reminding the audience.

You're very welcome. Have it bronzed if you like.

K.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 10/31/2015 4:25:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		a few more explanations, in addition to those maps K. linked above

the route taken by most refugees over the past months is the balkan route, from Syria and Iraq first across the Turkish border, then

crossing the Aegean from the Turkish west coast to the nearest Greek islands which are only a few miles off the coast, like Kos, Rhodos, Lesbos (visible distance but very dangerous passage), then by ferry to the Greek mainland, crossing Greece into Macedonia, from there to Serbia

before Hungary closed the borders it was then to Hungary to Budapest then usually by train to Austria and further on to Germany
after the closure of the Hungarian borders it takes them (at present) through Croatia, through Slovenia, to the Austrian border at Spielfeld, from there crossing Austria to the Bavarian (German) border at Passau, Wegscheid, Freilassing. From there to various refugee centres spread over Germany

some go further on to Denmark, heading for Sweden, the majority stays in Germany, some already in Austria

there are a few detour routes, taken mostly by those few who succeed in crossing the Turkish-Greek mainland border in Thrakia, from there via Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Czech republic to Austria or Germany - the newest of those is the Polar circle passage mentioned above, with a Russian tourist visa (recently fairly easy to get for Syrians) by plane to Moscow/Murmansk then by bicycle to Norway (Russian bike dealers are said to take about 400-500 $ for a bicycle for Syrians)

it seems to take about two to three weeks from the Greek islands to the German border, at the cost of about 2000 to 3000 €/$ per person for the traffickers

the various border crossings take usually several days/nights each, with various refugee treatment policies ranging from friendly, humane to more or less hostile

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/3/2015 12:41:46 AM   
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218 000 refugees have been crossing the aegean sea between the Turkish coast and the Greek islands in October

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/7/2015 4:04:10 AM   
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679 340 Syrian refugees have applied for asylum within the EU (from Apr 2011 till Oct 2015), in 2014 alone 137 947.

53 % of them in Germany and Serbia, 34 % in Sweden, Austria, Hungary, the Netherlands and Bulgaria, 13 % in all other EU countries

additional explanation: under the now "obsolete" Dublin II treaty asylum seekers were to register in the first EU country they entered, hence the high figures for the first transit countries Serbia (on the "Aegean" route) and Bulgaria ("Thrakia" route); Greece refused to register them.

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php#



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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/19/2015 2:19:18 PM   
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c351 000 refugees have been registered in Germany since mid-september

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/23/2015 1:19:56 PM   
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http://www.unhcr.org/564ae4796.html

we had an unusually mild november for weeks but now winter is coming with force

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/24/2015 3:03:05 AM   
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I wonder how many of the refugees will have enough warm clothes, hot food and shelter for those freezing nights. For many of them snow might something that they have only seen in movies or on television. They wouldn't have a clue how to protect themselves adequately from the ravages of freezing climates....

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/28/2015 2:01:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		while early winterstorms have obviously reduced the number of rubber dinghy crossings from the Turkish coast to the Greek Aegean islands Lesbos and Kos the boat crossings are even more dangerous

this week another group of refugees drowned, among them six children

no longer frontpage news but nonetheless happening again and again and again

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/28/2015 2:39:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		blnymph thanks for keeping us so well informed. I seldom comment on here any more but I do check in and I always look out for your updates.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/28/2015 2:45:55 PM   
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I wonder how many of the refugees will have enough warm clothes, hot food and shelter for those freezing nights. For many of them snow might something that they have only seen in movies or on television. They wouldn't have a clue how to protect themselves adequately from the ravages of freezing climates....



That is a massive problem, a friend of mine lives in Austria and is a social worker, they have taken in a lot of refugees (and nope, crimes haven't risen) but the clothing issue is a problem, I recently raided the charity shops here for warm winter coats and sent them a huge parcel over as a practical donation, she said it was really well received, figured if I sent the equivalent in money, due to the fees banks charge and all that, it will be of less use and UPS offers pretty good rates on heavy parcels and the coats here were really dirt cheap.

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RE: Heartbreaking -- Drowned Syrian Boy -- Whole Family... - 11/28/2015 9:56:30 PM   
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I'd imagine that there's a huge need for old clothes, especially winter clothes. I hope many others follow your example and donate anything they may have to spare. I will be.

It could save lives.

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