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But females keep making the rules of what a real man is and isn't. How many times in your life have you heard a woman say "I want a real man"? I have heard it at least more than a million times.

Yes, that's true. I've heard it and read it a number of times, including here at CM. But why on earth would you bracket airheads who say things like that under the heading 'feminist'? Such women aren't feminists - they're just peabrains.

That's a nice gesture, Peon, to try to talk some sense into OP, but I don't think he can be reasoned with. He sees a feminist conspiracy everywhere. Any woman who doesn't agree with him must be a feminist man-hater.

To get to the heart of the matter, OP is upset that "females keep making the rules" because he can't conform to what women say they want in a partner, but neither can he live up to the traditional patriarchal standards.

Whether you want to admit to it or not, Nick, you blame patriarchy as much as the radical feminists you despise. This isn't at all about feminism. It has to do with ALL females.

Individuals have the right to set their own personal standards of what they seek in their romantic and/or sex partners. Peon might get turned on by forceful, demanding ladies with bushy armpits and unshaven legs -- who knows?
Should I get my knickers in a twist that I don't fit his model of what a "real" woman is to him? If he doesn't go around imposing his standard(s) on every woman he meets, then cool. His private preferences are his own.
Why do you care what some outspoken feminists want and seek or don't seek in a man? What's it to you whether they don't find you fuckable? Is it keeping you from going about your own business or getting ahead in life, or finding a woman who might possibly be compatible with you?
This is what I mean by men who cannot handle perceived rejection very well, even when it's not personally directed at them.

While it is true that I have my own concept of what kind of man is the right man for me, my idea of "real" does not infringe upon anyone else's chosen lifestyle or their livelihood, or whether they would make a good friend or business associate.
For example, in my love language, I want a man who acts like a gentleman. A gentleman has social graces, but that doesn't make him any less masculine. If he needs to defend himself or to protect me and any other loved ones, then he will kick ass if necessary.
A man who is smitten by a lady will act like a romantic supplicant as a natural response. Some women might see this as submissive behavior and get turned off. Those of us who desire for our man to not be afraid of acting like he's head over heels in love us, get SUPER TURNED ON by that.

[@Nookie, I used to think this was supposed to be the norm in courtship rituals, but lately I wonder if I'm one of those ladies with a (vanilla) romance fetish, because without it and lots of verbal foreplay, my panties don't get wet!]

There are men and women both who might see harmless romantic gestures as stalkerish creepy, so there's a fine line to walk, because you have to already stand a viable chance with the object(subject) of your affections.
If in doubt, just go with NO really does mean NO. It doesn't mean Not Now or Maybe Later, but a flat out NO. It's during that backing-off period that many women realize they miss this ardent attention once it's gone.

If you have a healthy respect for boundaries, then the fact that you don't fit somebody else's mold shouldn't bother you and get under your skin like a festering wound.
Besides, you don't help matters any when you come across as more of a flaming zealot than the small faction of vocal feminists that you are complaining about.

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Ask yourself this, would you be making the same type of posts as you did in this thread to a feminist? There is no room for double standards when it comes to equality.

Yeah. Why wouldn't I? Nobody's ever accused me of being a shrinking violet.
I may, however, not trouble myself with an unworthy or clearly spiteful adversary.
Adversarial relationships are decidedly NOT a fetish for me, nor is debate one of my kinks.

DreamLady

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I doubt he'll ever even get his out of the scabbard unless roofies or massive quantities of alcohol are involved.

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Taking the title of the thread strictly at face value, I believe it to be an accurate assessment.

Gone are the days when I was required to hold a door for a lady because of social mores. Ditto for offering a lady my seat on a bus.

We can edit that old cry of "Women and children first!". The list goes on.

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I hate men who blame all their troubles on feminists.

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To me a feminist is simply a woman who respects herself and expects equal treatment in the workplace.

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Feminists are not men haters nor do they flip out when encountering gentlemen who open doors, etc. if a woman does, she is not a feminist, she is an ass.

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I despair over the politicizing of personal interactions between men and women. It's just not necessary and it's getting old.

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If a man offers me his seat on a crowded bus, I always graciously accept.