BamaD
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This would be the result of a society that ignores the reality for a fantasy. Its been well documented that one does not need a mental or emotional disorder to sudden erupt and kill people (including their loved ones).
Just because someone has not been diagnosed with a mental or emotional disorder does not mean they do not have one.
The absence of a diagnosis of illness does not mean you are proven to have good health. Think about how many people don't go to the doctor when they feel a lump, for fear of a diagnosis of cancer. It doesn't mean they don't have it.
When you get a lump, do you go on firearm shooting sprees?
There are many US Citizens that either know they have Depression or do not. How many of then are going on gun shooting sprees? Most of them, if they had a gun (and depending on the level of severity of their condition), will used the gun on themselves. Hence, why the medical community often asks someone they are treating for possible Depression "Do you have access to a firearm". Because when it comes to suicide, a person with a firearm is 90% likely to be successful with the process. That's compared to all other methods that measure in the teens for percentages.
Which is why I argue that if someone wants a firearm, they are checked. Physically, mentally and emotionally. Before they obtain the firearm. And after every three years, they are rechecked. Police officers by contrast are checked several times during that three year period of time. You want the protections of the 2nd amendment that police officers enjoy? You get the limitations as well.
How many thousand dollars do you want it to cost just to exercise your right to bear arms?
To get a firearm in Australia, it costs a few tens of thousands of dollars. How many mass shootings do they see on a weekly basis? Their rate of accidents, attacks, and suicides with firearms is far less than the United States per 100K. That investing in a firearm is like investing in a car. An like an expensive car, one would likely treat a firearm well. Make sure it is handled carefully, stored securely, and not misused. That if the firearm is sold, there exists a transaction on the books (be they private or public due to circumstances).
To artificially increase the cost of firearms, would be in the form of a tax. So the most obvious question is: What do we do with the money generated?
Maybe offer FBI firearm safety classes. I found the FBI trainers more enjoyable to learn from than the NRA. The NRA guys were bitching about liberals every third word; the FBI guys were professional and mature. Not just in the normal process but add in more advance training (i.e. handing a firearm in close quarters like a house).
Helping medical folks handle the cost of gunshot and related injuries. Maybe even offset the high costs to become a medical doctor.
I'm sure we could arrive at many good ways the funding generate to help Americans out.
The part your not understand in all this, is how society will eventually deal with the problem. We can deal with things now in a sane manner; or later on after something....BIGGER...than Sandy Hook takes place. I gurantee you, after that moment, no one will want to make a deal with your viewpoints. It'll be, 'this is how things are now; go along with it, our we'll remove the 2nd'.
I've said it before and I'll say it now, so that we are crystal clear: I have trouble imagining what will be worst than Sandy Hook and enough to get this nation to deal with firearms. As is normal human nature, we will go to one side of madness and they slingshot rapidly to the other side of the extreme. Neither side is healthy. So why wait for that moment? Why not restore the good faith firearm owners have lost with the American people?
Since we are on that path right now. Sooner or later, some event will take place. It will be horror beyond horror. It'll make Sandy Hook look like a murder-suicide in comparison. It'll be worst if the perpetrators hold conservative viewpoints and its domestic terrorism (which I fail to see how it could be anything else).
Understand, I am not wishing this hell on anyone! That this nation gains more by concern citizens and firearm owners working together. Its the gun nuts and gun controllers (the two extremes) that have and will do everything they can to undermine that process.
You ask for a dollar cost. I can not give you a realistic and informed answer. Only speculation. Yet, we get this nation off its current path of destruction, by Americans working together on different sides of one view (i.e. concern citizens and firearm owners); perhaps we could make honest headway on the other issues facing this nation for which the political chasm is far and deep?
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And yes, it is an individual right, the courts have ruled so repeatedly , not just Heller. So we are back to your wanting to destroy a right by pretending it does not exist.
Yes, an 'individual' right according to people that like the 2nd amendment corrupted. They can financially, politically, and dare I say it, spiritually. All in a selfish manner! You have in the past stated a dislike for corrupted laws allowing things the original law was never meant to handle. Yet, on a subject like this one, you ignore it. Your afraid that if you do not defend it with fanatical devotion, you'll lose the right. Yet, fanatics are individual that will not listen to reason or common sense. Even when the evidence shows their viewpoint is twisted and fucked up beyond a shadow of doubt; they stick to their viewpoint. Your really want to stay on the current path, BamaD? I understand your situation (as far as you have told me). I think your more afraid to move this nation from its current path, than an actual intruder. I'm asking you to simply think and consider.
As always you start with a bogus comparison. The murder rate in Austraila has not gone down as a result of their draconian gun laws. Still you use the fact that they have never had much of a murder rate to want policies that will put firearm ownership out of reach of most people. Also firearm ownership is not a protected right in Austraila as the courts and the writters of the 2nd have affirmed it to be in the U S.
You rant about the crime rate in the U S as if it is skyrocketing when the truth is that it is dropping faster than in any western country.
Also there are safty programs avaliable all over, that is the reason for the drop in accidents. You, however, want the one which will make for the most difficuties in taking one. You may not like the NRA instructors but down here talking bad about liberals won't turn people off.
To bad, you are just blowing smoke as usual.
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