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Kirata -> 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 6:36:10 AM)
WARNING: The following may be disturbing to some readers. PIKESVILLE, Md. (WBFF) — Baltimore County Police and Baltimore County school officials responded to a report of assault involving two eighth-grade students at Pikesville Middle School on Wednesday. School officials took a report regarding a 13-year-old boy who kissed a 14-year-old girl during school hours. The unwanted kiss was allegedly the result of a dare made by students. Police confirm that the boy is now facing a second-degree assault charge as a juvenile. No one was injured during the incident, police say, and disciplinary actions related to suspension or expulsion will be handled by the school system. ~WJLA Well, I think it's disturbing... Reason has a piece on it here. K.

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 7:14:27 AM)
I read a story about that last night. Stupid stupid stupid. I remember one time when I was 12, a boy in school that I didn't like kept touching me. So I would try to stay away from him. While trying to get away from him one morning, I got a teacher's attention, who then called me out for running in the halls. When I explained to her why I was moving so quickly, her solution was to make me and that boy sit together and hold hands for 10 minutes so that we would learn to get along better. From one extreme to the other. God gave us a brain for a reason. These days it seems like too many people let theirs atrophy.

bounty44 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 8:12:17 AM)
the interesting question to me is, given these types of reactions are becoming more prevalent in these types of instances, what is driving them?

MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 8:37:22 AM)
This us why GOOD parents send their daughters to self defense classes at an early age, and teach their kids about RESPECTING PERSONAL BOUNDARIES. By the way, Wayward5oul, that teacher needs a serious "TALKING TO" by parents.

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 8:38:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the interesting question to me is, given these types of reactions are becoming more prevalent in these types of instances, what is driving them? All kinds of things, and it happens in every walk of life every day now. Some thing that I think affect it? The huge (justified) movement against sexual harassment, combined with people who take it too far, for one thing. More parent involvement children's education. Time was you didn't question the school, and as a result the school was able to make good decisions without parental interference. But at the same time a lot of things were swept under the rug. Now we are one the opposite end of that, and parents question every little thing that happens in the classroom. And they aren't satisfied until something is settled they way they think it should go, right or wrong. Again, people taking it too far. The fact that people can get on the Internet and say whatever they want, and people will believe them, and it can destroy lives. Because 10 years from now, if little Johnny gets accused of some sexual related offense (warranted or not), some reporter will dig this story up, and if authorities had not dealt with him harshly, they will be accused of encouraging a future predator, and blame will be laid at their door as well. And then someone will get sued. Because that's what we do. That's just off the top of my head. It is really more complex than that, much more complex, but if I had to put what I have personally seen after 20+ years in education in a nutshell, that would be it.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 9:05:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS This us why GOOD parents send their daughters to self defense classes at an early age, and teach their kids about RESPECTING PERSONAL BOUNDARIES. By the way, Wayward5oul, that teacher needs a serious "TALKING TO" by parents. I disagree. Not for the defense classes but for the reasons behind it. Kids need to be taught about "personal space" and to respect it. Hand in hand with that is to be taught that some simple one-off minor indiscretions such as this do not require such extreme over-reactions from the person, the teachers, or the parents. I don't condone the initial bad behaviour, but the reactions are way OTT. In my day, this was something that got you a very strict telling-off from the head teacher if it went as far as that. In most cases, unless it was a repeated incident, nobody thought anything of it other than a simple childish 'dare' that didn't get repeated. Obviously, something more intimately advanced than a simple kiss as a dare should be reported and acted upon. But this??? PFFFTTT! Very much an overreaction on all sides and completely unnecessary IMHO. People these days are over-sensitive to many things and western culture is slowly being taught to use a sledge-hammer to crack a peanut. I don't think this is a good thing for today's society.

Real0ne -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 9:38:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 In my day, this was something that got you a very strict telling-off from the head teacher if it went as far as that. In most cases, unless it was a repeated incident, nobody thought anything of it other than a simple childish 'dare' that didn't get repeated. In my day 'everyone' would have laughed it off including the teachers. Personally I think that these kids should be prosecuted as adults starting the day they are born! Lets face this country is so whacked out it with judge dredd gubblemint they deserve it! They deserve the fruits of their own insanity. erm I mean political correctness. "My last question, George, is that; It seems to me you're kind of an icon for someone who can see the bad things going on but not let it... harden your heart, not let it get into you and screw up your mental state or emotional state. Do you have any advice for people on how you can still stay engaged in the world and not go insane with anger and resentment?" "Become a spectator. That’s what I am. [snip] And now the American people, politically, have been bought off ...completely silenced and bought off by gizmos and toys and that’s a line from the con show. And it’s just a shame. So I pulled away emotionally and I said, "You know what, fuck ‘em. Let ‘em do what they wanna do and I’m gonna enjoy this shit as a spectator." And I look at it as a show. It’s a big circus. It’s a big parade or whatever metaphor you want to use. I think of it as a freak show. I like to say this. "When you’re born into this world you’re given a ticket to the freak show. When you’re born in America, you’re given a front row seat." And man, I’m sitting there and I have my notebook out and I’m enjoying the show and I wish I could live a thousand years to watch this all develop. "That’s the best way to swallow all that stuff and believe it and still walk down the street singin' a happy tune" "That’s right, there’s no anger in it, see? There’s no anger, there’s no emotional state."

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 11:54:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS By the way, Wayward5oul, that teacher needs a serious "TALKING TO" by parents. Back then that was the standard response to something like that. That was long before people started taking sexual harassment seriously. If they thought about it at all. Today that would not be tolerated. That teacher would probably be suspended, if not fired. A parent would probably file a lawsuit against the boy's family and the school and the teacher for sexual harassment and assault. School staff would be made to sit through sensitivity training, even if they were not involved at all and would have handled it entirely differently if they had been involved.

joether -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 12:05:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata WARNING: The following may be disturbing to some readers. PIKESVILLE, Md. (WBFF) — Baltimore County Police and Baltimore County school officials responded to a report of assault involving two eighth-grade students at Pikesville Middle School on Wednesday. School officials took a report regarding a 13-year-old boy who kissed a 14-year-old girl during school hours. The unwanted kiss was allegedly the result of a dare made by students. Police confirm that the boy is now facing a second-degree assault charge as a juvenile. No one was injured during the incident, police say, and disciplinary actions related to suspension or expulsion will be handled by the school system. ~WJLA Well, I think it's disturbing... Reason has a piece on it here. Devil's Advocate: We really do not know all the information on the situation to make an informed decision. For example, perhaps the boy's mother is one of those 'vaccinate their children' types and the kid actually had a transferrable illness spread by skin contact? That the boy could have issues in one form or another that the journalist would not be priveed to because of child privacy laws. Maybe the child was molested, beaten, not smart enough, still immature, aggressive, maybe they have been harassing the girl for months. On the surface it looks like the penalty is too steep for the crime; yet, had we known all the information, would we arrive at the same conclusion? Maybe.... Maybe the girl's parents should get her martial arts lessons. She would not even need to punch the boy in the future; finger and wrist locks can be even more 'fun'.

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 12:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS This us why GOOD parents send their daughters to self defense classes at an early age, and teach their kids about RESPECTING PERSONAL BOUNDARIES. By the way, Wayward5oul, that teacher needs a serious "TALKING TO" by parents. I disagree. Not for the defense classes but for the reasons behind it. Kids need to be taught about "personal space" and to respect it. Hand in hand with that is to be taught that some simple one-off minor indiscretions such as this do not require such extreme over-reactions from the person, the teachers, or the parents. I don't condone the initial bad behaviour, but the reactions are way OTT. I agree with teaching self defense to the girls, but I think it needs to be about more than just that. Girls just need to be taught to stand up for themselves in general, and they need to understand that there is an adult that they can go to about these things. Someone who will listen to what they have to say. Had I had that then, then I would not have let the last word be the teacher's. I would have gone home and told my mom. Today I know that she would have raised holy hell with the school if I had told her. Then I did not understand that. But I disagree that it would stop this behavior. Adults and children need to be taught what is acceptable and what isn't, in terms of personal space, just as they are taught how to behave at the dinner table, how to behave in class, etc. I am the type to stand up people at the drop of a hat. I have something of a reputation for it. I have been called 'intimidating' (all 5 foot 3 inches of me) by several males I know. I was that way early on, and had been standing my ground with that particular boy for several weeks. His behavior was not discreet. Others saw how he behaved towards me, but boys bothering girls was just part of adolescence and you learned to deal with. So no one did anything when they noticed. So the only reason he was not all over me all the time was because I would hit him. That particular morning, I was just trying to get away from him, and apparently was too aggressive in doing so, which caught the teacher's attention. The way that situation was handled actually helped make me a little meeker for a few years, as I thought that if I tried to call people out on stuff then I would end up sitting in the corner holding another boy's hand, so to speak. I managed to work myself out of that defeatist attitude after a while, and have always managed to stand my ground since then (and yes, I have taken self-defense classes). But had the adults not backed me into a corner even though I let them know what he was doing, I may never have let myself grow quiet for a time.

Zonie63 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 12:31:51 PM)
FR If the boy did this on a dare from other students, does this mean the other students could be charged with conspiracy?

MercTech -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 12:34:07 PM)
PC society seems to more and more exist to criminalize as much of the population as it can. Much easier to control a populace once they are labeled as criminal.

Zonie63 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 12:46:12 PM)
I suppose they could make it so gum-chewing and talking in class could be classified as "interference with or disruption of an educational institution."

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 1:08:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul But I disagree that it would stop this behavior. Adults and children need to be taught what is acceptable and what isn't, in terms of personal space, just as they are taught how to behave at the dinner table, how to behave in class, etc. ....and had been standing my ground with that particular boy for several weeks. They also need to be taught that you don't lash out with a nuclear missile strike every time someone dares to put a pinky over the boundary into your back yard too! Or are you one of these that would sit on the sidelines watching just in case some poor unfortunate kid happens to touch yours in a football tackle that you deem too personal and let rip with a machine gun and feel it's justified? Cue Jasper Carrot and the Mole sketch! [:)] Your situation is entirely different to what I read from Kirata's post and two links. Yours is a repeated case that needed to be properly reported and dealt with, as I alluded to in my earlier post. This case appears to be a 1-off prank. That's why I say the response is way OTT given the situation as I understand it. To quote from Reason.com (Kirata's second link) - "...It's of course true that every 14-year-old has the right not to be kissed. I'm not saying the boy's transgression should go unpunished. What I'm saying is this: he should not be charged with assault. He's 13. Thirteen-year-olds do stupid stuff. They screw up. And when the consequences of their actions are as minor as this, it's better to reprimand them in a manner that does not involve the criminal justice system. By all means, give this kid detention. Make him apologize to the girl. Tell his parents to teach him better manners. But don't charge him with assault. That would be a far greater crime than a stolen kiss." The report doesn't say, but I wonder who made the initial report and in what context? As Merc said, the PC brigade is making a mountain out of a molehill and everyone is overreacting. I don't think this sort of OTT peanut-meet-sledgehammer approach is of any real benefit to today's society. It is teaching our kids that just a look is valid reason to permanently expire someone. It's a very sad state of affairs.

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 2:16:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 They also need to be taught that you don't lash out with a nuclear missile strike every time someone dares to put a pinky over the boundary into your back yard too! Or are you one of these that would sit on the sidelines watching just in case some poor unfortunate kid happens to touch yours in a football tackle that you deem too personal and let rip with a machine gun and feel it's justified? Cue Jasper Carrot and the Mole sketch! [:)] Um, did you read the second post, which was mine, where I said this was stupid stupid stupid? And said that people were going to extremes, and letting their brain atrophy? Or the follow up post where I listed some possible reasons for this happening, including where people go too far? In nothing I said do I imply that this case was handled properly. And yes, my case was different in a lot of ways from this one, but I used it as an example of why self-defense classes were not the answer here, that better education of people was the answer. That people needed to be taught respect, that a girl can stand up for herself all day long but unless the adults around her acknowledge the problem then it isn't enough. That was relevant, as it was meant to put the responsibility for people's behavior back on them, and was intended to support your own comment about respecting personal space. Why, I think I even used the same terminology. quote: need to be taught what is acceptable and what isn't, in terms of personal space Oh look, I did. But you go ahead and continue to misunderstand what people write, then lash out with that nuclear missile strike.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 2:20:50 PM)
I probably got the wrong end of the stick. If that is the case... my bad. [sm=afraid.gif] The way I read it, it came across as if you saying your experience justified the actions taken here. Must be a bad hair day.

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 2:40:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 I probably got the wrong end of the stick. If that is the case... my bad. [sm=afraid.gif] The way I read it, it came across as if you saying your experience justified the actions taken here. Must be a bad hair day. A bad hair day can turn the whole world upside down. [:)]

Wayward5oul -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 3:01:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech PC society seems to more and more exist to criminalize as much of the population as it can. Much easier to control a populace once they are labeled as criminal. Apparently it was the teachers who initially decided this could qualify as a criminal act. Several of the local stations report it was the teachers who made the call to the police. The statement that the girl gave to the police was a 13-year-old boy grabbed her by her shirt, pulled her toward him and "open-mouth kissed her with his tongue," according to police. The girl said she was kissed against her will. The boy, who also is in the eighth grade, told police that he had been dared to do it. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-co-assault-kiss-20150912-story.html Now if I were the girl's mother, I would want him strung up. I wouldn't want the police involved at all. They would just get in my way. I would want to do it myself. But that would only be to satisfy my own protective instincts as a mother. What I would demand of the school is that on top of whatever school disciplinary action were taken, my daughter be allowed to confront him and tell him exactly how she felt about it. He should be made to stand there and take whatever she said, and show remorse. I would want that for her, as a chance to show her how to stand up for herself, that she should always confront this sort of thing and not let it get swept under the rug, and that she would find people supported her when she did. I would not want police involved, for her sake and his. Its obvious the long-term harm it could do to the boy. But I can imagine the girl is feeling humiliated even further by this being made into such a big deal, and she is being taught to think like a victim.

thompsonx -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/13/2015 6:15:45 PM)
Anyone who went to catholic school knows exactly how this scenario would have played out in the penguin's office . The penguin would have beat everyone's ass...her for being hawt,him for being stupid,them for making the dare and a tongue lashing for anyone who saw it or knew of it. The only way to have a snowball's chance in hell of being not guilty of something was to be absent.

KenDckey -> RE: 13-year old faces assault charges... (9/14/2015 1:22:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Anyone who went to catholic school knows exactly how this scenario would have played out in the penguin's office . The penguin would have beat everyone's ass...her for being hawt,him for being stupid,them for making the dare and a tongue lashing for anyone who saw it or knew of it. The only way to have a snowball's chance in hell of being not guilty of something was to be absent. Seems a reasonable solution to me.

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