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Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/13/2015 11:45:52 PM

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WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate and Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Sunday reminded his party that shutting down the government in an effort to defund Planned Parenthood would be completely pointless.

"The president's made it clear he is not going to sign it," Kasich said on "Fox News Sunday." "I'm willing to fight all day long, but you've got to have a good prospect of being able to be successful. Because if you're not successful, you shut the government down, you open it up and you haven't achieved anything. You're just going to have people shake their head and wonder what your thinking was."

Conservatives in Congress are threatening to block legislation funding the government if it includes money for Planned Parenthood. The women's health care provider receives about $500 million a year, though no federal funds are used for abortion. Lawmakers have to pass some kind of government funding bill by Oct. 1.

Kasich said he supports defunding Planned Parenthood, but said Republicans in Congress need to "be more creative" about how they do it.

"When you shut the government down, people don't like it and you shouldn't shut it down unless you have a great chance of success," he said.

House and Senate GOP leaders have signaled they're not interested in another shutdown, but some conservatives are keeping the pressure on. 2016 GOP presidential contenders in the Senate are divided on the tactic: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is all for it, while Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said it's probably a bad idea to "start out with your objective to shut down government."

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 1:16:23 AM

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So is it the Republicans shutting the government down for not funding a non-profit (they don't fund lots of them) or a Presidential shutdown caused by a temper tantrum. At what point does the law say that we must fund select non-profits. The only one that I am aware of that has a duty to the government and receives an appropriation for it is the ARC which on emergency plans. Sometimes the Humane Society is on local plans and am not sure they get funding except when they take over animal control duties for that jurisdiction.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 3:57:50 AM

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Veto was promised. They had the chance last session, this time they have given warning that they will shut down.
If you think obama is the sticking point, you dont understand the conversation again.
That you conflate the bloody humane society with planned parenthood says so much about your lack of knowledge on it.
this has nothing to do with "funding" problems.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:17:41 AM

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Lucy I made no mention of Planned Parenthood. ARC and Humane Society yes, but only in the context of budget mandates. Not what any of them have to do except when one takes over a job normally considered governmental in nature. I do believe that Obama is demanding selective enforcement of spending using tax funds for non-profits. If he were being totally fair, he would demand funding for each of the unions, all the churches, all the PACs, etc. But he doesn't. He wants to shut down the government over one not for profit organization. If he wants to fund a particular organization, he can just pay for it from the budget of the Department closely related to their activity, as an unbudgeted expense. I don't agree that is truely workable, but then I don't think a lot of things he does are. At least he would get his way and it wouldn't shut the government down. Just about all Presidents do this. I can't think of one that hasn't but that doesn't mean I am right. We do have an Planned Parenthood thread. I don't see this as about them as about his effort to shut down the government over a non profit organization.

Now the ARC has a direct military mission. I have read recently where the NRA has been giving a military mission for the National Guard. The ARC is used in emergency p lanning for providing housing and food for homeless and workplace first aid training under the Department of Labor.

I will admit that the majority of not for profit organizations provide a service that aids in the government goals. Religious institutions provide food and clothing, Food Banks, and on and on. Not all do, I know that. Political not for profit organizations even provide education. Doesn't matter if we agree with it or not, they provide the education about political issues of the day. Just as this forum does. But are they worth closing the government down? I say no.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:35:55 AM

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I don't agree that is truely workable, but then I don't think a lot of things he does are.

You recomend a course of action for the president and then admit that it wont work.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 8:00:42 AM

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So is it the Republicans shutting the government down for not funding a non-profit (they don't fund lots of them) or a Presidential shutdown caused by a temper tantrum. At what point does the law say that we must fund select non-profits. The only one that I am aware of that has a duty to the government and receives an appropriation for it is the ARC which on emergency plans. Sometimes the Humane Society is on local plans and am not sure they get funding except when they take over animal control duties for that jurisdiction.

Congress' vote, Congress' "tantrum."

The President gets to veto. Congress gets to over-ride it if they have the votes. Since they don't, they are hardly some overwhelming voice on the side of righteousness. If they pass it anyway--like their ACA dance continually--that is indeed simply stamping their feet.

I'm all for practical leadership. We have plenty of grandstanding already.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 8:21:55 AM

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Kasich said he supports defunding Planned Parenthood, but said Republicans in Congress need to "be more creative" about how they do it.

Is this proof positive that there's not one Moderate Republican in the clown car? With all the problems and issues before the country, this is their priority.....

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 11:58:07 AM

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Of course,,
Nothing more important .
Of course it follows their game plan fo r the past six years.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 1:15:48 PM

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Lucy I made no mention of Planned Parenthood. ARC and Humane Society yes, but only in the context of budget mandates. Not what any of them have to do except when one takes over a job normally considered governmental in nature. I do believe that Obama is demanding selective enforcement of spending using tax funds for non-profits. If he were being totally fair, he would demand funding for each of the unions, all the churches, all the PACs, etc. But he doesn't. He wants to shut down the government over one not for profit organization. If he wants to fund a particular organization, he can just pay for it from the budget of the Department closely related to their activity, as an unbudgeted expense. I don't agree that is truely workable, but then I don't think a lot of things he does are. At least he would get his way and it wouldn't shut the government down. Just about all Presidents do this. I can't think of one that hasn't but that doesn't mean I am right. We do have an Planned Parenthood thread. I don't see this as about them as about his effort to shut down the government over a non profit organization.

Now the ARC has a direct military mission. I have read recently where the NRA has been giving a military mission for the National Guard. The ARC is used in emergency p lanning for providing housing and food for homeless and workplace first aid training under the Department of Labor.

I will admit that the majority of not for profit organizations provide a service that aids in the government goals. Religious institutions provide food and clothing, Food Banks, and on and on. Not all do, I know that. Political not for profit organizations even provide education. Doesn't matter if we agree with it or not, they provide the education about political issues of the day. Just as this forum does. But are they worth closing the government down? I say no.

The topic is THIS particular reason for a shut down, OVER PLANNED PARENTHOOD

Planned Parenthood, with more than 700 health centers, is a trusted health care provider for 2.7 million people each year. And it's on the front lines of ideological attacks on women's health.

Efforts to defund Planned Parenthood are as callous and politically motivated as they are unpopular. Closing clinics and denying health services to women are not what the nation wants.

If you think its about shortage of money and NOT an attack on low income women and men who use PP , by using lies, deceit and bullshit edited video clips. Not ONE state has found that PP did anything wrong in those videos and that they are pure bullshit, yet the pubs have jumped all over it, like it was benghazi
You just want to use it as another way to bash the Pres.
Which is better than being into forcing women to become parents.
Forced birth, have you thought of the repercussions?

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 2:16:57 PM

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I understand your thinking Lucy. But, if funding select not for profits by even one mill then it is one mill to much in my opinion. I agree that PP does a good job. I have donated to them myself. But they are a not for profit organization not a government entity or under government contract. Otherwise, I would thinkt hat we should fund goodwill and the salvation army etc because they help a lot of people and meet the desires of the country in recycling, etc.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 3:13:11 PM

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Veto was promised. They had the chance last session, this time they have given warning that they will shut down.
If you think obama is the sticking point, you dont understand the conversation again.
That you conflate the bloody humane society with planned parenthood says so much about your lack of knowledge on it.
this has nothing to do with "funding" problems.

A generic question: If the GOP Congress promised to pass legislation they knew was going to be unpopular with the President before the President promised to veto it if they passed it, who would be shutting down government?

Specific to this legislation: I think it's a stupid thing to attempt to shut down government over PP funding. Is funding PP really that important? The GOP is talking about shutting down government over spending that was just North of $500M (not B, M) in 2013. WTF?!?

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 3:18:25 PM

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PP is NOT a new expense... Planned parent hood provided 10,590,433 services; in 2014.....327,653 them were abortions. They also provided 3,577,348 types of contraception and 4,470,597 STI screenings.
This is purely anti women
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Federal law requires state Medicaid programs to cover family-planning services and supplies for anyone of child-bearing age. Ending the agreements with Planned Parenthood would limit beneficiaries' access to care and services from qualified providers of their choice, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Alabama and Louisiana, which have also sought to end their agreements with Planned Parenthood, were cautioned by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that their actions could put them afoul of federal regulations which make any qualified provider eligible to participate in the program.

Planned Parenthood, which provides healthcare services to millions of women at hundreds of centers nationwide, has denied any wrongdoing. The organization also says abortions make up 3 percent of its work

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 3:22:54 PM

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Veto was promised. They had the chance last session, this time they have given warning that they will shut down.
If you think obama is the sticking point, you dont understand the conversation again.
That you conflate the bloody humane society with planned parenthood says so much about your lack of knowledge on it.
this has nothing to do with "funding" problems.

A generic question: If the GOP Congress promised to pass legislation they knew was going to be unpopular with the President before the President promised to veto it if they passed it, who would be shutting down government?

Specific to this legislation: I think it's a stupid thing to attempt to shut down government over PP funding. Is funding PP really that important? The GOP is talking about shutting down government over spending that was just North of $500M (not B, M) in 2013. WTF?!?

that sounded like jeb bush
we dont need to spend that much on womens health.
Its not even factual what they are using as a reason to gut it.
And it failed at the end of the last session because it IS unpopular, not just with women, or the general public, threatening to shut down the government is the closest thing to dumb out there.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 3:56:14 PM

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I understand your thinking Lucy. But, if funding select not for profits by even one mill then it is one mill to much in my opinion. I agree that PP does a good job. I have donated to them myself. But they are a not for profit organization not a government entity or under government contract. Otherwise, I would thinkt hat we should fund goodwill and the salvation army etc because they help a lot of people and meet the desires of the country in recycling, etc.

You really seem to enjoy playing stupid...why is that?

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:01:22 PM

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OK you need to explain that one to me thompson.

and if you think I am that stupid maybe you should consult with the mods about it.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:23:17 PM

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The mods cant fix stupid.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:32:59 PM

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If the GOP were TRULY concerned about the funding of private organizations they would immediately, and without a single vote of descent, end all tax breaks for religious organizations.

Defunding PP is purely an attack on women's RIGHT to abortion services, and by extension, and attack on women in general.

To put it as politely as I can: FUCK the GOP.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 5:42:07 PM

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If the GOP were TRULY concerned about the funding of private organizations they would immediately, and without a single vote of descent, end all tax breaks for religious organizations.

Defunding PP is purely an attack on women's RIGHT to abortion services, and by extension, and attack on women in general.

To put it as politely as I can: FUCK the GOP.

You're conflating two different ideas.

Every month/year/whatever, the federal government cuts a check and sends it to PP.

The government forgoes or absolves religious organizations of tax debt. One could make the point that the government is "subsidizing " religious organizations, but then, they'd have to admit that government is also "subsidizing" political organizations (527s and such) and a plethora of other "special interest groups".

You're right, in one thing: it is important to protect any citizen's "RIGHT" to commit murder. I favor the idea, when I notice some of the people froathing at the mouth over decapitating a fetus.

Thank you for being so polite. I will return in kind: Fuck murderers and anyone ~~that~~ who supports them.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 6:23:19 PM

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My point, and my opinion, is not to eliminate PP only defund them from the Federal Budget. Yes they perform a valuable service as do many many other not for profit organizations. It has nothing to do with abortions. To me it is purely a matter of finance. If they have a contract with the govt to do something, then by all means fund that. If they perform a service that is in the service of the govt, then by all means fund that. ARC performs services for the Govt. Fund them by all means. But don't spend moneies, especially in this day and age for organizations that don't perform government required services or provides government needed products. The health part as far as I can tell is covered under ADA. Since every single person is required to have insurance under ACA, then I don't see an issue there. If it is an issue, then maybe we should nationalize PP, removing it from non-profit status to the government under HHS. They wouldn't have a name change necessarily, just a government mission.

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RE: Shutdown not popular with Kasich. - 9/14/2015 6:43:06 PM

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Hmm so why pick on planned parenthood.
You want to stop money going to one particular agency , why???
THey are performing as they have done for years, by providing ssexual and re productive health care and referrals to places for those they cant do themselves.
the ACA has helped many people, but there are still tens of millions between the cracks and lower, their health needs dont change because they dont have insurance.
There IS a need. to deny it is ridiculous.
I responded to the situation about medicaid expansion...and those states are suffering higher STD's, teen pregnancies, amongst those woes, because not giving them access to affordable health care doesnt mean they quit having issues.

WHile your opinion is yours, facts and reality (as well as more bullshit than you could ever clamber thru) can be found...educate your opinion Ken.

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