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Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 12:35:34 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		No wonder no one can figure out why they aren't being repaired appropriately. It is a title claim between the US and the other State and Local entities. It all started in 1866 with RS 2477 and repealed by the Quiet Titles Act (1977). Thus jurisdiction over who makes repairs is stalled until the title (which is not required to be filed) is cleared up.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/31420-pdf-Romano.pdf

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2011/title-43/chapter-22/section-932/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_statute_2477

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 2:15:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know a lot of the roads around here are in bad need of repair. It's getting a bit better than it was a few years ago, but the public was really upset about how bad the potholes were getting.

They did complete some work on I-10, widening it between Tucson and Phoenix but not all the way.


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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 2:24:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Went to Tuscon in May (2nd time since `1970 - i don't like it there) and there wasn't any construction. I went to UofA Medical Center so didn't go all the way through town. We have potholes here big enough that during the last rain (our streets flood) that my neighbor's car got stuck up to the Axle and hubby had to jack it out. They are considering now where to put I-11 thru town to connect Phoenix and Las Vegas. At least that road is pretty well maintained, but it will require lots of bridges to be an interstate. County roads going thru forest service and blm land are in a state of disrepair.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 2:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maintaining infrastructure is not something that gives a politician a big name. Why fund keeping things working when you can build a stadium or theater that is used once a week at best or provide a sinecure for wealthy insurance companies.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 2:56:15 PM   
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It's the GODDAMMOTHERFUCKING people on them that I hate.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 3:17:17 PM   
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No wonder no one can figure out why they aren't being repaired appropriately. It is a title claim between the US and the other State and Local entities. It all started in 1866 with RS 2477 and repealed by the Quiet Titles Act (1977). Thus jurisdiction over who makes repairs is stalled until the title (which is not required to be filed) is cleared up.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/31420-pdf-Romano.pdf
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2011/title-43/chapter-22/section-932/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_statute_2477


Sooooo, where's all the money that's been earmarked for road repair? If they aren't spending it to repair roads, it's probably just sitting in some account collecting interest, right?


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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 5:08:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		DS not sure. I don't think it draws interest tho. I know on the proposed I-11, tthey put in the road but not the overpasses. About a month later they closed part of it for a sinkhole big enough to park a car in. It made me wonder what the planned obsolence critrea might be. LOL seriously tho, they are spending it on something. I know when I drove thru NY it was like driving across the desert on their interstate. rough as hell. I can only think they salt their roads and it degrades them, then there is no money for reparis because it was concrete and would require huge amounts of money and work to repair.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 5:18:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live in NY but its been awhile since ive been on the thruway (I-90) so I cant speak to how it is, but I spent a significant amount of time recently in Michigan and the roads there were the worst ive seen anywhere in the country. people were seriously enquiring about suing the state government for the damages their cars received.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 5:26:14 PM   
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Maintaining infrastructure is not something that gives a politician a big name. Why fund keeping things working when you can build a stadium or theater that is used once a week at best or provide a sinecure for wealthy insurance companies.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/14/2015 7:03:29 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		Oil gets taxed (a tariff) when it is imported. Get taxed again when it is consumed, There is an excise tax because it is oil, Plus state gas taxes and sales taxes.

http://us.practicallaw.com/1-524-3130?q=&qp=

Seems that only 3% of our tax money for the National Highway Trust Fund is spent on roadways. The remainder seems to go to Mass Transit (which is intra city). I will admit I found the chart somewhat confusing and not real clear (should make someone in govt happy). But, you can read it for yourself and decide.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/highwaytrustfund/


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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 8:21:16 AM   
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Went to Tuscon in May (2nd time since `1970 - i don't like it there) and there wasn't any construction.


I know that it's generally a bit cooler here than in Phoenix or the Kingman/BHC area. While you guys are sweltering in temps of 115-120, we're enjoying much milder temperatures at around 110. People in Phoenix really hate us, due to all the "leftists" in Tucson.

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I went to UofA Medical Center so didn't go all the way through town. We have potholes here big enough that during the last rain (our streets flood) that my neighbor's car got stuck up to the Axle and hubby had to jack it out.


I don't know what they use to patch some of these potholes, but a lot of patches only held while it was dry. Once the rains hit, the potholes came back in a hurry.

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They are considering now where to put I-11 thru town to connect Phoenix and Las Vegas.


Wasn't there some talk about making that a toll road? I know that you can save some time on the way to Vegas, but that road is pretty rough in spots. A lot of people still prefer I-17 and then cut over on I-40W.

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At least that road is pretty well maintained, but it will require lots of bridges to be an interstate. County roads going thru forest service and blm land are in a state of disrepair.


I don't know if it's any better now, but I was going through Parker and heading south towards I-10, and the back road I took was probably one of the worst roads I've ever seen. It would have been good to use for a post-apocalyptic movie.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 8:57:48 AM   
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Went to Tuscon in May (2nd time since `1970 - i don't like it there) and there wasn't any construction.


I know that it's generally a bit cooler here than in Phoenix or the Kingman/BHC area. While you guys are sweltering in temps of 115-120, we're enjoying much milder temperatures at around 110. People in Phoenix really hate us, due to all the "leftists" in Tucson.

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I went to UofA Medical Center so didn't go all the way through town. We have potholes here big enough that during the last rain (our streets flood) that my neighbor's car got stuck up to the Axle and hubby had to jack it out.


I don't know what they use to patch some of these potholes, but a lot of patches only held while it was dry. Once the rains hit, the potholes came back in a hurry.

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They are considering now where to put I-11 thru town to connect Phoenix and Las Vegas.


Wasn't there some talk about making that a toll road? I know that you can save some time on the way to Vegas, but that road is pretty rough in spots. A lot of people still prefer I-17 and then cut over on I-40W.

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At least that road is pretty well maintained, but it will require lots of bridges to be an interstate. County roads going thru forest service and blm land are in a state of disrepair.


I don't know if it's any better now, but I was going through Parker and heading south towards I-10, and the back road I took was probably one of the worst roads I've ever seen. It would have been good to use for a post-apocalyptic movie.


Kingman boasts 10-20 degree cooler than PHX, Tuscon, BHC, LHC, Parker, Needles, Vegas. Love it here. I enjoy the constant breeze. only 22 miles 4 of them dirt to my favorite campground in the tall trees.

I didn't read in any of the documentation about making I-11 a toll road, but I didn't read the whole thing. I haven't been to Parker in like 10 years. It wasn't all that bad then.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 12:00:42 PM   
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The US Highway system is in disrepair because Republican Congress Members don't want to levy taxes to fund the upkeep.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 12:01:54 PM   
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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 12:47:38 PM   
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The US Highway system is in disrepair because Republican Congress Members don't want to levy taxes to fund the upkeep.


what a partisan joke you are---for the most part recently, and over the last few decades, congress has been in democratic control. you are so patently unfair and biased when it comes to things im not sure how you can look at yourself in the mirror with a clear conscience.

its not evident what you mean by "US highway system"---if by that you mean the interstates, then its worth pointing out there are roads (still "highways") all over the country in great need of repair that fall under state, not federal, authority.






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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 1:08:20 PM   
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Kingman boasts 10-20 degree cooler than PHX, Tuscon, BHC, LHC, Parker, Needles, Vegas. Love it here. I enjoy the constant breeze. only 22 miles 4 of them dirt to my favorite campground in the tall trees.


We have trees not more than fifty or sixty miles away(They have them on both sides of the street in town). I have been here about thirty years and it seldom gets over 125 and when it does it never stays that way for more than a week or so at a time. We do get a westerly breeze in the afternoons of 30 kts or so with gusts to 60 kts.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 1:31:21 PM   
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I live in NY but its been awhile since ive been on the thruway (I-90) so I cant speak to how it is, but I spent a significant amount of time recently in Michigan and the roads there were the worst ive seen anywhere in the country. people were seriously enquiring about suing the state government for the damages their cars received.


Michigan interstates are well known for being rough. The joke is that they're rough to help reduce the life span of cars, where the Big 3 automakers are HQ'ed.

The City of Toledo has terrible roads, too. The interstates are, generally, in very good condition, but the condition of the majority of typical non-commercial roads is deplorable in areas.


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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 4:14:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was there for four years and was back and forth to NY many times, passing through Toledo. this wasn't road repair so much as construction, but the entire time i was in Michigan, Toledo was working on the roads east and north of the city. four to five years' worth---I wondered how much "milking it" was going on.

having grown up a M*A*S*H fan, i always thought of corporal klinger when i went through and often wondered if there was anything in the city to commemorate him.

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 5:42:25 PM   
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The US Highway system is in disrepair because Republican Congress Members don't want to levy taxes to fund the upkeep.


what a partisan joke you are---for the most part recently, and over the last few decades, congress has been in democratic control. you are so patently unfair and biased when it comes to things im not sure how you can look at yourself in the mirror with a clear conscience.

its not evident what you mean by "US highway system"---if by that you mean the interstates, then its worth pointing out there are roads (still "highways") all over the country in great need of repair that fall under state, not federal, authority.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/opinion/16wed1.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region

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RE: Our Roadways - 9/15/2015 10:03:00 PM   
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The US Highway system is in disrepair because Republican Congress Members don't want to levy taxes to fund the upkeep.

what a partisan joke you are---for the most part recently, and over the last few decades, congress has been in democratic control. you are so patently unfair and biased when it comes to things im not sure how you can look at yourself in the mirror with a clear conscience.

its not evident what you mean by "US highway system"---if by that you mean the interstates, then its worth pointing out there are roads (still "highways") all over the country in great need of repair that fall under state, not federal, authority.


Cloudboy is correct, at a basic level.

While the Democrats controlled Congress from 2008-2014, they tried a number of times to push a $250-400 billion infrastructure bill through Congress. Unfortunately, the Republicans required super majorities to pass the bill. Which the Democrats could not muster (as they lacked 60+ votes in the Senate).

The bills themselves stated funding would be allocated to federal systems and to state projects based on a 'need' system. For example, bridges deemed 'structurally unsound' (Its called someone else, but I forget the term now), would be repaired/replaced first. Thus, roadways with a moderate issues would be repaired with what ever was left of the bill's funding.

These bills did not apply only to roadways and bridges. But to canals and waterway shipping. And for updating the inter-state electrical system that supplies power across the nation (we use 1950's level technology in many places). Some of these bills were tied to 'green house' energy programs to promote hydro, solar, and wind generation production.

So, you might actually try to get your facts straight before bashing people, bounty......

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