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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 8:09:43 AM   
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History should not be forgotten but it should be forgiven because in most cases the new generation should not be held accountable for the actions of past generations.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 8:12:21 AM   
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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 9:57:03 AM   
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There were thousands of lynchings carried out, mainly by whites on blacks.

I thought blacks on blacks is higher than white on blacks.

Doesn't make the whites who did it better, but it's just the continuous focus on blaming on race issue, is not gonna improve race relations.

What should be done perhaps is to build a special investigation task force, or get DOJ to go investigate every police department. And maybe, have a hotline or an email where people could write in and tip them where to start and where are the serious injustice happening.

Prosecute all those involve in creating an unfair system. End of story. Don't bring race into it.

Anybody who abuse their authority needs to be shut down.

Because it's words like, "Whites lynching blacks" that aggravate the situation and exaggerate the situation. Why can't colour be removed and just be looked at as evil human beings victimizing their weaker counterparts?

I strongly feel for race relations to improve, the focus need to be on prosecuting anybody of any colour of wrong doing, and stop focusing that it's a race issue.

Even more to the point the lynchings that they want to focus on happened years ago, if they were still happening it would have relevance but it isn't.
The massive numbers of blacks murdering other blacks, as you say, dwarfs the number of lynchings.
Each year more blacks are murdered by other blacks than all the lynchings combined. This does not justify the lynchings but which is the bigger problem today, (maybe) 4000 blacks lynched since the nation was founded, and no longer happening, or the 5000 blacks murdered last year by other blacks?
Your post shows that you already know the answer.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 10:03:56 AM   
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I strongly feel for race relations to improve, the focus need to be on prosecuting anybody of any colour of wrong doing, and stop focusing that it's a race issue.

If your goal is improving race relations, the first thing to do is to admit the truth of the past. Until that truth is acknowledged, all parties will remain trapped, prisoners to the lies of the past. Sweeping unpleasant truths under the carpet means that they will never be confronted and all the bitterness resentment and other ill effects of past ill treatment will remain a smouldering issue ignored by one side while the other side fixates on it. That's no way to create a future where race is not an issue.

South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Process is one successful model of how to do this and can be adapted and used to put the past in the past and allow all parties to face the future together.

Doesn't locking up the people who did the "lynchings", I put it in quotes because I count people who used guns, knifes, and bombs in that class, count?
Last major case like that was Mr Byrd who was drug behind a pickup. Two of the people in the case got the death sentence, the third turned states evidence and got life. I think that counts as a proclimation that this is not acceptable (that was in Tx by the way).
Should we ignore what is going on today because someone doesn't thing we have groveled enough to make them happy about something that happened over half a century ago. We admitted the problem we went about fixing it now it is time to fix the current problem. Nothing will un-lynch those people.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 12:09:50 PM   
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I thought blacks on blacks is higher than white on blacks.


Either you are a delusional fucking racist or you have never read about this subject.

I realize that you are too ignorant to recognize a False Dilemma fallacy, and too dishonest to care anyway, but Greta is right and you are still a delusional scumbag.

K.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 12:11:28 PM   
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If your goal is improving race relations, the first thing to do is to admit the truth of the past. Until that truth is acknowledged, all parties will remain trapped, prisoners to the lies of the past.

We were all taught about slavery, the Civil War, Reconstruction, lynchings, etc., in High School, so there is no need for anyone to "admit" what everybody already knows. Keeping us prisoners of the past is the agenda of those who continually stir up bitterness by reciting past wrongs and promoting the ugly notion of collective white racial guilt.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 1:28:58 PM   
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This does not justify the lynchings but which is the bigger problem today, (maybe) 4000 blacks lynched since the nation was founded,


You have a degree in history?????roflmao






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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 1:31:09 PM   
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We were all taught about slavery, the Civil War, Reconstruction, lynchings, etc., in High School, so there is no need for anyone to "admit" what everybody already knows. Keeping us prisoners of the past is the agenda of those who continually stir up bitterness by reciting past wrongs and promoting the ugly notion of collective white racial guilt.

K.




What you know is that  "not all the blacks were innocent"

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 1:46:59 PM   
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I thought blacks on blacks is higher than white on blacks.


Either you are a delusional fucking racist or you have never read about this subject.

I realize that you are too ignorant to recognize a False Dilemma fallacy, and too dishonest to care anyway, but Greta is right and you are still a delusional scumbag.

K.


I realize you are too stupid to follow the discussion, and too dishonest to care. Greta is wrong and you are still a dilusional scumbag racists.

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There were thousands of lynchings carried out, mainly by whites on blacks.

I thought blacks on blacks is higher than white on blacks.


Do you also believe that blacks lynched blacks more often than whites lynched blacks?  Because if you do that would mean that you like she would be either  a delusional racist or completely unaware of the subject on which you are commenting.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 1:53:40 PM   
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Should we ignore what is going on today because someone doesn't thing we have groveled enough to make them happy about something that happened over half a century ago. We admitted the problem we went about fixing it now it is time to fix the current problem. Nothing will un-lynch those people.


Obviously you have not read the doj report that says we have not fixed the problem.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 1:59:50 PM   
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This does not justify the lynchings but which is the bigger problem today, (maybe) 4000 blacks lynched since the nation was founded,


You have a degree in history?????roflmao







Yes, I do, from a 98% black university no less.
And again, to try to make a point you only used half of what I said.
I realize that you may not follow this, but there weren't real good records kept on lynchings, I have seen estimates on here of up to 4000 lynchings so that is the number I used, there may have been more, there may have been less but I will accept 4000 as a reasonable estimate. You do know, inspite of your swipe at my current location, that the worst outbreak of lynching was in New York City in July 1863 often refered to as the draft riots. But if it was about the draft why were two hundred plus balcks murdered in one week in the heart of yankeeland. When I was stationed in MD the news there stated that MD had the largest chapter of the Klan in the US. When the Klan was revieved in the 20's it was in ..... Indiana. The most racist place I have ever lived was Batchtown Il about 20 miles east of East St Louis. Now I realize that I can reason with you all day and you will just keep chanting racist because you have nothing else to cling to. Face it 50 year old lynchings which were terrible, are not the problem today. The disregard for human life in the inner city is.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 2:03:08 PM   
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Should we ignore what is going on today because someone doesn't thing we have groveled enough to make them happy about something that happened over half a century ago. We admitted the problem we went about fixing it now it is time to fix the current problem. Nothing will un-lynch those people.


Obviously you have not read the doj report that says we have not fixed the problem.

Quick English leason, fixing does not mean the same as fixed, and I don't think they sited current lynchings, they stated other problems. And this is the same DOJ that thought there was no problem with New Black Panthers intemidating voters on camera in Philly.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 4:24:02 PM   
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This does not justify the lynchings but which is the bigger problem today, (maybe) 4000 blacks lynched since the nation was founded,


You have a degree in history?????roflmao

Yes, I do, from a 98% black university no less.

Roflmao


And again, to try to make a point you only used half of what I said.
I realize that you may not follow this, but there weren't real good records kept on lynchings, I have seen estimates on here of up to 4000 lynchings so that is the number I used, there may have been more, there may have been less but I will accept 4000 as a reasonable estimate.

Let me see if I can help you figure out why I think you are ignorant. Had you actually looked up any of those sources and read them you would have noted as I pointed out to you earlier, these 4000 murders happened since plessy v ferguson.  There are three hundred years of slavery before plessy v ferguson. Are you really sugesting that no blacks were murdered by whites during that period of time?


You do know, inspite of your swipe at my current location, that the worst outbreak of lynching was in New York City in July 1863

The calender notes that is almost fifty years before  plessy v. ferguson


often refered to as the draft riots. But if it was about the draft why were two hundred plus balcks murdered in one week in the heart of yankeeland.
When I was stationed in MD the news there stated that MD had the largest chapter of the Klan in the US. When the Klan was revieved in the 20's it was in ..... Indiana. The most racist place I have ever lived was Batchtown Il about 20 miles east of East St Louis.

Why do you feel that racism is a particularly southern concept?

Now I realize that I can reason with you all day and you will just keep chanting racist because you have nothing else to cling to.

What you are doing is not called reasoning. You still have  not read the doj report. The only part you care about is the part that said they were not going to indict which morons like you translate to exonerate without ever having read the report.
You claim to be all cozy with the cops and have a degree in history. Why is it that cops refer to those who pay their wages as "civilians". The law in the u.s. is that cops are civilians. They teach that in high school too.

Face it 50 year old lynchings which were terrible, are not the problem today.

Didn't you mention a lynching of just recent history that had been punished? So the lynchings have not stopped  now have they ... now they get a little more face time.

The disregard for human life in the inner city is.

That is where you would like to focus the attention

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 4:26:36 PM   
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Sorry ...I edited my post above.


What sort of reparations are you talking about?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 4:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't you mention a lynching of just recent history that had been punished? So the lynchings have not stopped now have they ... now they get a little more face time.

That was 15 years ago, how many blacks were murdered in Chicago alone this week for wearing the wrong color?
Can you comprehend that there is a huge difference between 50 years ago with the authorities turning a blind eye to it and a murder 15 years ago where the sheriff had them in custody within 48 hrs, they were easily convicted two got death, one got life.
You assume that I don't know that the DOJ report talked about that local goverment structure but like most of your assumptions it is wrong.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 4:51:25 PM   
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I know why, I don't agree with you.
4000 thousand is an outrage even with an arbitrary cut off date.
This decade, all 5 years of it has seen more blacks killed by inner city lawlessness than by all the lynchings in U S history.
PS It was 33 years from the draft riots to P v F Apparently you only read the parts that suited you.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 4:55:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You claim to be all cozy with the cops and have a degree in history. Why is it that cops refer to those who pay their wages as "civilians". The law in the u.s. is that cops are civilians. They teach that in high school too.

Cops are civilians in that they are not military.
However can you explain why the left is always calling for civilian oversite of the police and civilian review boards, if this. It differentiats between police and non police.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 5:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I made it pretty clear that I am not interested in your agenda...black on black crime.  It is not part of a discussion on racism. That would be a discussion of criminal behaviour. So put that dawg on the porch cuz it aint gonna hunt.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 5:10:45 PM   
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You claim to be all cozy with the cops and have a degree in history. Why is it that cops refer to those who pay their wages as "civilians". The law in the u.s. is that cops are civilians. They teach that in high school too.

Cops are civilians in that they are not military.
However can you explain why the left is always calling for civilian oversite of the police and civilian review boards, if this. It differentiats between police and non police.


So instead of answering the question you wish to parse words.  You have this juvinal attitude of somene else having done it to so you are somehow off the hook..."they want a civilian review board that means we are not civilians"  The logic of a child.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/23/2015 5:31:59 PM   
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You claim to be all cozy with the cops and have a degree in history. Why is it that cops refer to those who pay their wages as "civilians". The law in the u.s. is that cops are civilians. They teach that in high school too.

Cops are civilians in that they are not military.
However can you explain why the left is always calling for civilian oversite of the police and civilian review boards, if this. It differentiats between police and non police.


So instead of answering the question you wish to parse words.  You have this juvinal attitude of somene else having done it to so you are somehow off the hook..."they want a civilian review board that means we are not civilians"  The logic of a child.


I will grant you one thing. I made a big mistake taking you off hide, a mistake I am now correcting.

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