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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 8:18:02 PM   
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No the message is I deserve reparations from the Cherokee tribe... that is if Blacks do so do I....right? At least according to TX's example

Butch

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 9:08:41 PM   
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Come to think of it Louis XIV and France owes me reparations... my family had their land confiscated and were driven from their homes... But of course they were not victims but at least had the good sense to come here and have me... Maybe T...X can get me some money in restitution.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 9:10:40 PM   
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Come to think of it Louis XIV and France owes me reparations... my family had their land confiscated and were driven from their homes... But of course they were not victims but at least had the good sense to come here and have me... Maybe T...X can get me some money in restitution.

Butch

Being of part Indian and part European descent do I own myself reperations?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 9:15:27 PM   
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Hell I'm part Jew too, small part,...what does that get me...Has Germany provided reparations to my family?

Butch

ps... Now bama... here I am trying to make a valid well though out plea for justice over the past racism shown to my family and you are making fun of it...shame...

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 9:20:32 PM   
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I do wonder if there are any privileged people on this earth that nowhere in their lineage were their families persecuted? If we could only find them they sure owe us a hell of a lot....wait... I know I know... they are white honky Americans yea that's it.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/25/2015 9:23:11 PM   
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Off Topic, but it amazes me that Jewism is like the opposite of "chineseism".
I mean, how women are valued because only if your mom is a jew then you are jew. So women are essential to preserving blood lines.
Chineseism, women are useless to preserving blood lines, since the kids will bear their father lineage only .

But then the way jewism works is pretty weird. My girlfriend who is half south indian and half white is a jew, because her grandma is a white jew, and her mom is a white jew, both blondes actually, so she is a jew. She looks more south indian than white. And she is married to a classic looking jewish man, which I identify as white man with dark hair and dark eyes.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/26/2015 10:23:26 AM   
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Hell I'm part Jew too, small part,...what does that get me...Has Germany provided reparations to my family?

Butch

ps... Now bama... here I am trying to make a valid well though out plea for justice over the past racism shown to my family and you are making fun of it...shame...

You know I am not making fun of you.
Ok Blacks, the 9th and 10th calvary, participated in the almost genocidal wars against native Americans should those of us with Indian ancestry get reperations from them?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/26/2015 10:25:25 AM   
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Off Topic, but it amazes me that Jewism is like the opposite of "chineseism".
I mean, how women are valued because only if your mom is a jew then you are jew. So women are essential to preserving blood lines.
Chineseism, women are useless to preserving blood lines, since the kids will bear their father lineage only .

But then the way jewism works is pretty weird. My girlfriend who is half south indian and half white is a jew, because her grandma is a white jew, and her mom is a white jew, both blondes actually, so she is a jew. She looks more south indian than white. And she is married to a classic looking jewish man, which I identify as white man with dark hair and dark eyes.


Most socieies trace linage through the father.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 12:12:40 PM   
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Actually some of the biggest slave owners in the south were black.

Actually you are full of shit.

John Carruthers Stanly -- born a slave in Craven County, N.C., the son of an Igbo mother and her master, John Wright Stanly -- became an extraordinarily successful barber and speculator in real estate in New Bern. As Loren Schweninger points out in Black Property Owners in the South, 1790-1915, by the early 1820s, Stanly owned three plantations and 163 slaves, and even hired three white overseers to manage his property...

At his death on the eve of the Civil War, [William] Ellison was wealthier than nine out of 10 white people in South Carolina. He was born in 1790 as a slave on a plantation in the Fairfield District of the state, far up country from Charleston. In 1816, at the age of 26, he bought his own freedom, and soon bought his wife and their child. In 1822, he opened his own cotton gin, and soon became quite wealthy. By his death in 1860, he owned 900 acres of land and 63 slaves...

According to Johnson and Roark, the wealthiest black person in Charleston, S.C., in 1860 was Maria Weston, who owned 14 slaves and property valued at more than $40,000, at a time when the average white man earned about $100 a year.
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Four million slaves and so far you have listed three blacks who were slave holders. You did not mention that the overwhelming majority of those slave owning blacks came from santo domingo and were living in spanish/french florida/ louisiana when the u.s. bought louisiana 


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How many states in the south could a free black person live? How many free land owning blacks existed in the south? Which states allowed this?

Free persons of African descent lived in every state of the Union, their numbers growing from about 50 thousand in 1790 to almost 490 thousand in 1860, with more than half of them living in slave holding states (1860 U.S. Census).

Undergraduate history students are usually amazed to learn of the large number of free blacks in the ante-bellum period. Graduate students are often surprised to learn that some of these free blacks owned slaves. History professors are frequently skeptical when they hear the number of free black slaveholders and the numbers of slaves they owned... ~Source

Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south. The majority were old women and the infirm who had been "dumped"/maunumited because they were no longer productive slaves.
"Slaves without masters by ira berlin" ISBN-13: 978-1565840287

The willfully ignorant, of course, just cover their ears and cry "raaacist".

Those who spout half truths and whole lies ignore the fact that by the 1850s, we find , only Delaware, Missouri and Arkansas still allowed legal manumission of free blacks, and Arkansas, on the eve of secession, threatened its small population of free blacks with an impossible choice: self-deport
or be re-enslaved


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 12:16:53 PM   
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Ok Blacks, the 9th and 10th calvary, participated in the almost genocidal wars against native Americans should those of us with Indian ancestry get reperations from them?

Those with native amerikan heritage should get reparations from the govt that sent both the black and the white troops.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 12:21:55 PM   
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Ya know Native Americans stole land as well...My 6th removed grandfather bought land from the Cherokee tribe in S. Carolina in the 1750's. After legal purchase of the land the Cherokee in a disagreement with different settlers stole the land back and massacred men, women, and even children.. My grandfather did not survive and my 5th removed 9 year old grandfather was scalped but did.

So as far as my distant family is concerned the Native Americans were no better or different than the European colonists when it came to sealing land. 

Butch you are full of shit. Your ancestor never bought any land from a native amerikan.  Just as your ancestor never bought the air from any native amerikan. The native amerikans did not believe that people could own land or air or a lot of other things.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 1:06:22 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

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Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south.

About 6% in the Southern slave holding states, but if slavery was purely racial in motivation there wouldn't have been any.

K.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 1:21:15 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

 
If you could have you would have.
More than four million slaves. About 6% are free. Of the free blacks more than half are aged women who were dumped because they were no longer productive. You have listed three slave holders


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You did not mention that the overwhelming majority of those slave owning blacks came from santo domingo and were living in spanish/french florida/ louisiana when the u.s. bought louisiana

You have no point here.

The point is that the u.s. inhereted these free blacks.


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Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south.

About 6% in the Southern slave holding states, but if slavery was purely racial in motivation there wouldn't have been any.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more. It is clear that both you and he are in fact full of shit.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 1:38:07 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

If you could have you would have.

You're lying again.

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More than four million slaves. About 6% are free.

You're lying again. I said 6% in the Southern slave-holding states. Overall, it was about 11%.

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You did not mention that the overwhelming majority of those slave owning blacks came from santo domingo and were living in spanish/french florida/ louisiana when the u.s. bought louisiana

You have no point here.

The point is that the u.s. inhereted these free blacks.

You're lying again. Every example I gave was a slave born in the U.S. who became free and prospered.

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Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south.

About 6% in the Southern slave holding states, but if slavery was purely racial in motivation there wouldn't have been any.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more.

You're lying again.

K.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 1:55:46 PM   
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If you could have you would have....


rightttt, there were only three blacks in the whole of the south who owned slaves, despite evidence to the contrary that was presented to you.

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Butch you are full of shit. Your ancestor never bought any land from a native amerikan. Just as your ancestor never bought the air from any native amerikan. The native amerikans did not believe that people could own land or air or a lot of other things.


they make this wonderful thing called the internet that has a thing on it call the world wide web, where you can look stuff up. you should try it:

"In 1775 the Overhill Cherokee were persuaded at the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals to sell an enormous tract of land in central Kentucky to the privately owned Transylvania Land Company..."

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Treaty-of-Sycamore-Shoals

i'll look forward to seeing your apology to butch for insulting him and calling him a liar.

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That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more. It is clear that both you and he are in fact full of shit.


its not an "opinion"---given your premise of racial motivations, its unassailable logic.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 2:02:13 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

If you could have you would have.

You're lying again.

Still waiting


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 2:10:53 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

If you could have you would have.

You're lying again.

Still waiting

Ferfucksake, click on the linked source. Not that it's by any means exhaustive, but you'll find more there. Do you ever bother to know what you're talking about? I'm just curious.

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 2:28:34 PM   
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Butch you are full of shit. Your ancestor never bought any land from a native amerikan. Just as your ancestor never bought the air from any native amerikan. The native amerikans did not believe that people could own land or air or a lot of other things.


they make this wonderful thing called the internet that has a thing on it call the world wide web, where you can look stuff up. you should try it:

"In 1775 the Overhill Cherokee were persuaded


At gunpoint 


at the Treaty of Sycamore Shoals to sell an enormous tract of land in central Kentucky to the privately owned Transylvania Land Company..."

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Treaty-of-Sycamore-Shoals

i'll look forward to seeing your apology to butch for insulting him and calling him a liar.

I would not hold your breath on that one comrade.  Had you chosen to use that internet you spoke of to do something more than offer half truths and whole lies you might have a little background on the nature of the "persuasion" used to induce this  and other "sales". 
Then, of course, there is the whole issue of land ownership vs. usefruct there of that you seem to conveniently leave out of this discussion.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 2:47:13 PM   
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"In 1775 the Overhill Cherokee were persuaded

At gunpoint 

Your Britannica reference says no such thing (quelle surprise). See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania_Colony

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 2:50:32 PM   
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you have listed three blacks who were slave holders

I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you.

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Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south.

About 6% in the Southern slave holding states, but if slavery was purely racial in motivation there wouldn't have been any.

K.


The History Channel's peice, "The North's Andersonville" not only documented that Union POW camps were as bad a Southern ones but a couple of interesting points as well.
It used, among other things letters written by both prisoners and guards.
One of them told about when the writter first arrived at the camp.
One member of his unit was a black man, an a friend of his.
This documented, for the dense, that blacks served in the Confederate Army, several thousand to be correct, all of whom were free. The south did not offer freedom in return for service, this is well documented.
The other thing was that as soon as they arrived the guards bayonetted the black man as they had a standing policy to kill any blacks caught fighting for the south.

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