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Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/23/2015 5:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I think I made it pretty clear that I am not interested in your agenda...black on black crime. It is not part of a discussion on racism. Nobody cares whether or not you're "interested," bozo. Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned about the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. K.

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/23/2015 5:46:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I think I made it pretty clear that I am not interested in your agenda...black on black crime. It is not part of a discussion on racism. Nobody cares whether or not you're "interested," bozo. Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned about the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. K. Exactly black lives matter so we should do something about stoping the carnage in the inner city. No amount of dwelling on something that happened long ago will save a single life. Building the economy so the abominable unemployment rate in the inner city goes down could.

Greta75 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:17:49 AM)
quote: If your goal is improving race relations, the first thing to do is to admit the truth of the past. Until that truth is acknowledged, all parties will remain trapped, prisoners to the lies of the past. Sweeping unpleasant truths under the carpet means that they will never be confronted and all the bitterness resentment and other ill effects of past ill treatment will remain a smouldering issue ignored by one side while the other side fixates on it. That's no way to create a future where race is not an issue. I don't understand this part. NOBODY is denying slavery ever happened. I just don't understand this holding current generation responsible for what other people who IS NOT THEM did. I mean like seriously, when they blow up on Ben Affleck ancestry had slave owners! Like WTF? What has that got to do with Ben Affleck? Is he a slave owner? Does he believe in Slavery? I just think this is absolutely crazy mentality to continually shove "slavery" down a new generation who don't believe in slavery anyway. It's not even something that there is any question whether it's wrong or right. EVERYBODY agrees it's wrong. In the past, they were fighting against those who feel slavery was just and right, but such people don't exist anymore! It serves zero purpose. On top of that, I think it's an insult to all the white people who fought for black people, who were against slavery since the time slavery was legal. For the blacks to get out of slavery, there were white people fighting by their side, against their own race, saying this is wrong! This needs to stop being a black versus white issue. Because frankly, IF you had majority of white people believed in slavery, blacks would still be slaves today. It would take a vast majority to believe it is indeed truly wrong, for the slaves to be given their freedom. And I tell you why, majority of people in Malaysia believes Malay should always be treated as the superior race, and get priority rights in the country, because majority agrees and believe in this, in such modern day, it is the only openly racist country in the world and it's fine, that's how they work. Their Prime Minister will publicly scold minority for demanding for equal rights and accuse them of destroying racial harmony. In their logic, all other races are beneath Malays. And that is only possible to continue to happen because majority of that country believed in it.

Greta75 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:24:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If my father murdered your father and took his land, his home and all of his wealth and gave it to me on his death would you expect your father's (your) property back from me? If all the black folks into the US were imported as slaves. How did any of them own land? Perhaps you were talking about the Native Americans that the British stole land from?

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:40:01 AM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I think I made it pretty clear that I am not interested in your agenda...black on black crime. It is not part of a discussion on racism. Nobody cares whether or not you're "interested," bozo. You and your sycophant seem to care quite a bit bozo. Lets see we have had the bozo and the brain cell comemt what is left in your repitoir...ahh yes the insect friends comment must be next in line. Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned iabout the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. Of course you would rather discuss that which is not relevant to your racist opinions. " It's all their fault" "slavery is in the past" and yet fergustan occurs daily. It would appear that your racists concepts are still alive and the spirit of the gag rule prevails.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:43:14 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If my father murdered your father and took his land, his home and all of his wealth and gave it to me on his death would you expect your father's (your) property back from me? If all the black folks into the US were imported as slaves. How did any of them own land? Perhaps you were talking about the Native Americans that the British stole land from? Perhaps you are too stupid to walk and chew gum?

Greta75 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:48:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps you are too stupid to walk and chew gum? And I think you are getting senile and juvenile. Does come with old age. So I forgive you.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 12:58:38 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't understand this part. NOBODY is denying slavery ever happened. I just don't understand this holding current generation responsible for what other people who IS NOT THEM did. I mean like seriously, when they blow up on Ben Affleck ancestry had slave owners! Lets try the question again. If my father murdered your father and took his land, his home and all of his wealth and gave it to me on his death would you expect your father's (your) property back from me? I just think this is absolutely crazy mentality to continually shove "slavery" down a new generation who don't believe in slavery anyway. According to the doj report you are too lazy to read the cops and courts in fergustan still believe in slavery. It's not even something that there is any question whether it's wrong or right. EVERYBODY agrees it's wrong. In the past, they were fighting against those who feel slavery was just and right, but such people don't exist anymore! That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. All of the evidence points to racist behaviour in full swing but you being too lazy to actually read the facts of the issue continue to post your mindless racist drivel. It serves zero purpose. On top of that, I think it's an insult to all the white people who fought for black people, Do you think they are the real victims and the black people are not victims at all? who were against slavery since the time slavery was legal. For the blacks to get out of slavery, there were white people fighting by their side, against their own race, saying this is wrong! This needs to stop being a black versus white issue. You would still like it not to be a whhite v black issue but it is. Because frankly, IF you had majority of white people believed in slavery, blacks would still be slaves today. If the majority (50%+1)don't believe in slavery then how do we deal with the potential 49% who do? It would take a vast majority to believe it is indeed truly wrong, for the slaves to be given their freedom. If you were not so lazy you might have read a little history so as to disabuse yourself of this ignoarnce And I tell you why, majority of people in Malaysia believes Malay should always be treated as the superior race, and get priority rights in the country, because majority agrees and believe in this, in such modern day, it is the only openly racist country in the world and it's fine, that's how they work. Their Prime Minister will publicly scold minority for demanding for equal rights and accuse them of destroying racial harmony. In their logic, all other races are beneath Malays. And that is only possible to continue to happen because majority of that country believed in it. Why do you think anyone here gives a shit about how things are done there?

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 1:00:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps you are too stupid to walk and chew gum? And I think you are getting senile and juvenile. Does come with old age. So I forgive you. That is a whole lot easier than answering the question

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 1:03:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 If all the black folks into the US were imported as slaves. How did any of them own land? How is it possible that you are part of this discussion and believe the above. For anyone who is aware of the history of the u.s. to believe this is beyond stupid.

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 1:25:01 AM)
such people don't exist anymore! They do, but ironically, only in Africa.

Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 10:39:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Kirata Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned iabout the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. Of course you would rather discuss that which is not relevant to your racist opinions. "It's all their fault" You mean the racist opinions you make up for me, you lying prick. I never said that. K.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 1:24:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Kirata Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned iabout the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. Of course you would rather discuss that which is not relevant to your racist opinions. "It's all their fault" You mean the racist opinions you make up for me, you lying prick. I never said that. K. "Not all the blacks were innocent" were your words have you forgotten them? If they were not innocent as you claim that would mean that you feel that they had it comming?[8\|]...lying prick this time ehh...when do we get to the insect slur?

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 2:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If my father murdered your father and took his land, his home and all of his wealth and gave it to me on his death would you expect your father's (your) property back from me? If all the black folks into the US were imported as slaves. How did any of them own land? Perhaps you were talking about the Native Americans that the British stole land from? Actually some of the biggest slave owners in the south were black. The only unit on either side in the Civil War with black officers was the LA home gaurd organized by a black man who owned 1000 slaves, it was an all black unit top to bottom. The idea that there were no free land owning blacks is a misconsception deliberately pushed by those who don't want the narritive disturbed. BTW the La home guard was Confederate.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/24/2015 2:38:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If my father murdered your father and took his land, his home and all of his wealth and gave it to me on his death would you expect your father's (your) property back from me? Actually some of the biggest slave owners in the south were black. Actually you are full of shit. Show us a list of the top 100 slave owners in the south and how many of them were black? How many states in the south could a free black person live? The only unit on either side in the Civil War with black officers was the LA home gaurd organized by a black man who owned 1000 slaves, it was an all black unit top to bottom. Where did the white government of the confedracy use these men? Were they supplied their arms and uniforms by the confederacy? Of the 1000 slaves he owned how many did he put into his private militia? The idea that there were no free land owning blacks is a misconsception deliberately pushed by those who don't want the narritive disturbed. Well lets disturbe your narative. How many free land owning blacks existed in the south? Which states allowed this?

Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/25/2015 11:31:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD Actually some of the biggest slave owners in the south were black. Actually you are full of shit. John Carruthers Stanly -- born a slave in Craven County, N.C., the son of an Igbo mother and her master, John Wright Stanly -- became an extraordinarily successful barber and speculator in real estate in New Bern. As Loren Schweninger points out in Black Property Owners in the South, 1790-1915, by the early 1820s, Stanly owned three plantations and 163 slaves, and even hired three white overseers to manage his property... At his death on the eve of the Civil War, [William] Ellison was wealthier than nine out of 10 white people in South Carolina. He was born in 1790 as a slave on a plantation in the Fairfield District of the state, far up country from Charleston. In 1816, at the age of 26, he bought his own freedom, and soon bought his wife and their child. In 1822, he opened his own cotton gin, and soon became quite wealthy. By his death in 1860, he owned 900 acres of land and 63 slaves... According to Johnson and Roark, the wealthiest black person in Charleston, S.C., in 1860 was Maria Weston, who owned 14 slaves and property valued at more than $40,000, at a time when the average white man earned about $100 a year. ~Source quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx How many states in the south could a free black person live? How many free land owning blacks existed in the south? Which states allowed this? Free persons of African descent lived in every state of the Union, their numbers growing from about 50 thousand in 1790 to almost 490 thousand in 1860, with more than half of them living in slave holding states (1860 U.S. Census). Undergraduate history students are usually amazed to learn of the large number of free blacks in the ante-bellum period. Graduate students are often surprised to learn that some of these free blacks owned slaves. History professors are frequently skeptical when they hear the number of free black slaveholders and the numbers of slaves they owned... ~Source The willfully ignorant, of course, just cover their ears and cry "raaacist". K.

Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/25/2015 3:38:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonxORIGINAL: Kirata Black on black crime matters very much to people who are more concerned iabout the well-being of the black community today than about stirring up shit over events in the past, your preference for the latter notwithstanding. Of course you would rather discuss that which is not relevant to your racist opinions. "It's all their fault" You mean the racist opinions you make up for me, you lying prick. I never said that. "Not all the blacks were innocent" were your words have you forgotten them? Do you ever stop lying? Those aren't my exact words either, despite the faux quotation marks, and what I said wasn't a stand-alone sentence. The problem here is that your education is as lacking as your ethics: Disparities in racially disaggregated data are not prima facie evidence of racism. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What is it then? About 4000 black people hanging from trees is prima facia evidence of what? If it's not racism what is it? Except that the vast majority of lynchings were carried out as extrajudicial punishments, and "4000 black people hanging from trees" is a dishonest account of them. About a third as many whites were lynched too, and the blacks weren't all innocent. Racism, initially, had nothing to do with slavery, which was widely practiced, including in Africa. Racism per se wasn't on the menu until the 1800s, when it was served up by new advances in "science" and seized on as a defense of slavery after the fact. Orthodox views based on the Bible or the Enlightenment had taught the fundamental unity of mankind. But the new science of comparative “ethnology” that measured cranial capacity in white and “coloured” skulls raised issues about evolution and progress. Perceived differences in brain size and intellectual capacity might be the product either of separate creations or accelerated versus stunted development over time. ~Source Google Ngram Viewer K.

kdsub -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/25/2015 7:59:53 PM)
quote: Perhaps you were talking about the Native Americans that the British stole land from? No bearing on the thread but interesting...at least to me...lol Ya know Native Americans stole land as well...My 6th removed grandfather bought land from the Cherokee tribe in S. Carolina in the 1750's. After legal purchase of the land the Cherokee in a disagreement with different settlers stole the land back and massacred men, women, and even children.. My grandfather did not survive and my 5th removed 9 year old grandfather was scalped but did. So as far as my distant family is concerned the Native Americans were no better or different than the European colonists when it came to sealing land. Butch

Greta75 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/25/2015 8:05:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Ya know Native Americans stole land as well...My 6th removed grandfather bought land from the Cherokee tribe in S. Carolina in the 1750's. After legal purchase of the land the Cherokee in a disagreement with different settlers stole the land back and massacred men, women, and even children.. My grandfather did not survive and my 5th removed 9 year old grandfather was scalped but did. Butch I guess moral of the story is, land stealing isn't a race thing! Just a baddie of all races thing!

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/25/2015 8:14:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Ya know Native Americans stole land as well...My 6th removed grandfather bought land from the Cherokee tribe in S. Carolina in the 1750's. After legal purchase of the land the Cherokee in a disagreement with different settlers stole the land back and massacred men, women, and even children.. My grandfather did not survive and my 5th removed 9 year old grandfather was scalped but did. Butch I guess moral of the story is, land stealing isn't a race thing! Just a baddie of all races thing! Yep, you can protray any race as the great evil, if you ignore little things like what other people were doing, and what the good people of that race do.

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