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BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 2:55:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx you have listed three blacks who were slave holders I could have listed more, but the point is that BamaD was correct and the person full of shit is you. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Free blacks in the south amounted to a single digit percentage of the blacks in the south. About 6% in the Southern slave holding states, but if slavery was purely racial in motivation there wouldn't have been any. K. Race was developed as an excuse for slavery, it was not the reason. The reason was there weren't enough Irish "indentured servants" and prisoners to do all the work. Where did the slave traders get slaves? Over 99% were sold to them by blacks in Africa. Without those blacks there would not have been a slave trade.

bounty44 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 2:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I would not hold your breath on that one comrade.... "comrade" is a term used historically by communists/socialists in general amongst themselves and disparagingly by the right towards liberals and democrats. I am none of those four things. how you have missed that as concerns me is beyond me...can you get a clue? as kirata pointed out, theres no mention of "at gunpoint" in your reference and yet you declared as much---and im the one offering up "half truths and whole lies??" I seriously think you need help... that said---free will, persuaded, coerced (in whatever manner)--and especially since you don't know the manner of sale vis-à-vis butch's relative: sold, is still SOLD.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:10:00 PM)
Are you curious enough to find more than three blacks who were born slaves and became slave owners? Are you aware that the article you cite points out that most of the blacks who owned slaves owned their own family that they had bought out of slavery. Would you have us believe that these black slave holders were treated as the social equals of white slave owners?white land owners? white freemen? white indentured ? white trash?

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:21:03 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD The History Channel's peice, "The North's Andersonville" not only documented that Union POW camps were as bad a Southern ones but a couple of interesting points as well. Did you get your history degree from the history channel? It used, among other things letters written by both prisoners and guards. One of them told about when the writter first arrived at the camp. One member of his unit was a black man, an a friend of his. This documented, for the dense, that blacks served in the Confederate Army, several thousand to be correct, all of whom were free. Do you have any proof of this? Or are we going to depend on the history channel as an arbiter? The south did not offer freedom in return for service, this is well documented. When the south did decide to put blacks into uniform is quite well documented. Pretty sure it was less than a month before quittin' time...now wasn't it? The other thing was that as soon as they arrived the guards bayonetted the black man as they had a standing policy to kill any blacks caught fighting for the south. We know this to be a lie because the records show that they did have black prisoners and that they were repatriated at the end of the war. We know this to be a lie because you cannot produce the army order stating such to be the policy.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:22:44 PM)
Where did the slave traders get slaves? Over 99% were sold to them by blacks in Africa. Without those blacks there would not have been a slave trade. So it is all their own fault?[8\|]

bounty44 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:22:54 PM)
here's some more, good luck spinning this: "Some Indians who gave or sold land to European settlers believed that they retained hunting rights to that land — rights that,..." www.learnnc.org/lp/pages/2027 "The Indians have sold the land to the Europeans and have retired..." nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/.../growth/text7/indianlands.pdf "By the early 1700s, ... activity that would end when the Indians sold their land..." www.mpm.edu/WIRP/ICW-142.html "The Indians sold most of the land" sciway3.net/clark/freemoors/Indian.htm "OVERHILL CHEROKEES, WHO SOLD LAND TO HENDERSON & CO" www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/overhill.html By the end of 1806 the Indians had sold all their land in the ... thisisindiana.angelfire.com/history.htm yes Indians were killed, yes some were run off, yes some were forcibly relocated, and yes, apparently some SOLD their land. but by all means, keep beating your dead horse or trying to shift the argument...

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:31:29 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I would not hold your breath on that one comrade.... "comrade" is a term used historically by communists/socialists in general amongst themselves and disparagingly by the right towards liberals and democrats. I am none of those four things. how you have missed that as concerns me is beyond me...can you get a clue? Not everyone is required to adhear to your lexicon comrade. as kirata pointed out, theres no mention of "at gunpoint" in your reference and yet you declared as much---and im the one offering up "half truths and whole lies??" I seriously think you need help... that said---free will, persuaded, coerced (in whatever manner)--and especially since you don't know the manner of sale vis-à-vis butch's relative: sold, is still SOLD. Anyone with a three digit i.q. and access to a computer might be able to discover the relationship between the anglos and the cherokee for the period say from 1603 till 1776. Now comrade if you feel puting a gun to someone's head and telling them you are buying their land is a legitimate sale then you do deserve the alcolade of comrade.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:40:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx "In 1775 the Overhill Cherokee were persuaded At gunpoint Your Britannica reference says no such thing (quelle surprise). See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania_Colony K. American history not your thing? Google not installed on your computer? Playing dumb? Being disingenuous?All of the above?

Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 3:45:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Where did the slave traders get slaves? Over 99% were sold to them by blacks in Africa. Without those blacks there would not have been a slave trade. So it is all their own fault?[8\|] I'm beginning to entertain the possibility that you may be suffering from some kind of organic brain dysfunction. K.

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 4:12:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Where did the slave traders get slaves? Over 99% were sold to them by blacks in Africa. Without those blacks there would not have been a slave trade. So it is all their own fault?[8\|] I'm beginning to entertain the possibility that you may be suffering from some kind of organic brain dysfunction. K. Again, it was not the fault of the slaves. But the slave trade did not begin with the the slaves being put on the boats, it began with tribal chieftans rounding up their enemies and selling them to the slavers. No one is absoveled but there is pleanty of guilt to go around. His statement would only have a shread (and only a shread) if I had said they volunteered to be slaves. The European slavers, like the Arabs before them, gave some cheiftans weapons withwhich to defeat their enemies. In return the cheiftans sold them the captives. The cheiftans became more powerful and the slavers got rich. It was also a convenient way to dispose of rivals and criminals within their tribes. All of this is well documented. My primary professor at ASU (Alabama State, not Arizona State) held a debate on this at the outset of her American Civil War class. It normally lasted about 5 minutes. She put me on the side defending the cheiftans, and with the use of smoke, mirrors, and misdirection I (not my side but me) not only streached it out to over half an hour but I won. Of course that was by shifting it to political realities and away from morallity. Like Thompson I avoided the real issues and kept it focused narrowly on the excuses the cheiftans used and as long as I could keep the other side talking in the terms I defined they couldn't win.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 4:31:53 PM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata I'm beginning to entertain the possibility that you may be suffering from some kind of organic brain dysfunction. I find it amusing that your inability to validate your position equates to my having some kind of organic brain dysfunction. Can you stamp your feet also?

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 4:34:29 PM)
Again, it was not the fault of the slaves. But the slave trade did not begin with the the slaves being put on the boats, it began with tribal chieftans rounding up their enemies and selling them to the slavers. No one is absoveled but there is pleanty of guilt to go around. His statement would only have a shread (and only a shread) if I had said they volunteered to be slaves. For a capitalist to ignore the market is somewhat interesting until one looks at the market in question.[8\|]

kdsub -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 5:16:11 PM)
sorry wrong place.

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:07:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Currently in the US, there is a divide on the "Black Lives Matter" issue. And on one end, people see this campaign as racist, as All Lives Matters equally, regardless of colour. And on the other end, "Black Lives Matters" is about bringing more attention the "racism" and "unfair treatment" towards the black people, I think from their point of view. But...., Why couldn't they phrase it as "All Lives Matter"? Means the same thing right? I am in the All Lives Matter camp. In the other side of the world. Where racism or race favourtism in national policies is legal in Malaysia and promoted by government in a Malay first rights always way, and yet the majority race is still protesting. What are they protesting about? Fear of losing their first rights status. This joke explains it perfectly. Obama ask me ..'what are they protesting about?' I said defending the dignity of their race .. Obama ask me .. what race is the Prime Minister? I said he's a Malay .. Obama ask .. the Deputy? I said he's a Malay too .. Obama ask .. the Police chief? I said also a Malay .. Obama ask .. the army chief? I said also a Malay ... Then Obama said 'what the hell are they protesting about then?' and he banged down the phone! This world is just amazingly crazy! If all lives matter then Yellow lives matter and Brown lives matter and White lives matter and yes it means Black lives matter. Just thought I would remind people of the subject. Your story fits Baltimore. The Mayor is black The cheif of police is black The DA is black Most of the city council is black Most of the PD is black But we are told that blacks suffer from endemic racism. Wouldn't, to the extent that blacks are abused be more accurate to say that they are victims of the racial self hatred by those in power?

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:13:17 PM)
Wouldn't, to the extent that blacks are abused be more accurate to say that they are victims of the racial self hatred by those in power? Well that would certainly fit your narative that there is not and never has been racism in amerika. That black people came here of their own free will and surrendered themselves to other blacks to be slaves[8\|]...

Greta75 -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:25:50 PM)
thompson, you're such a broken record. How about instead of calling everyone liars and idiots, you can suggest a comprehensive solution to solve this problem that you been complaining about. Blacks were slaves. They are no longer slaves. Full Stop. Step 1 is done, they are freed. Step 2, Black President has happened! Back in Slavery days, that would be unimaginable! What's Step 3 now? What else do you want to see?

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:26:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Wouldn't, to the extent that blacks are abused be more accurate to say that they are victims of the racial self hatred by those in power? Well that would certainly fit your narative that there is not and never has been racism in amerika. That black people came here of their own free will and surrendered themselves to other blacks to be slaves[8\|]... You know full well I never said there was no racism in America, I even gave an example of a racist murder. I also contrasted that to the past when law enforcement often turned a blind eye to such things. As for the other the closest thing I said to that was that you would have a shread of logic to your position on if I had said that THEY HAD VOLUNTEERED TO BE SLAVES. What I said, and if you would just pay attention to what I actually wrote you would know this, is that their enemies captured them and turned them over to the slavers. I was quite specific about this, thinking it was clear enough that even a moron could understand, apparently at least one moron turned it around to mean the exact opposite of what I said.

Kirata -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:49:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Well that would certainly fit your narative that there is not and never has been racism in amerika. That black people came here of their own free will and surrendered themselves to other blacks to be slaves Either you are mentally disordered, or you're lying again. That's not anybody's narrative. K.

thompsonx -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:52:40 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 thompson, you're such a broken record. You don't like what I say and that just breaks my phoquing heart[:D] How about instead of calling everyone liars and idiots, I only call idiots and liars idiots and liars those who do not lie do not get called liars....act like an idiot and expect to have it pointed out. you can suggest a comprehensive solution to solve this problem that you been complaining about. Pretty simple those who are acting like dicks need to stop. Blacks were slaves. They are no longer slaves. Full Stop. Well that is not exactly true now is it....the doj report on fergustan was pretty specific about how the extortion racket was structured. Now of course you would not be one of the idiots in this discssion who has not read the doj reports on fergustan would you? Step 1 is done, they are freed. Freed from opression? Cite pleae. Step 2, Black President has happened! Back in Slavery days, that would be unimaginable! Black slave owners would seem unimaginable [8\|] What's Step 3 now? What else do you want to see? Having an honest discussion with you would be refreshing but not likely

BamaD -> RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue (9/27/2015 6:53:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 thompson, you're such a broken record. How about instead of calling everyone liars and idiots, you can suggest a comprehensive solution to solve this problem that you been complaining about. Blacks were slaves. They are no longer slaves. Full Stop. Step 1 is done, they are freed. Step 2, Black President has happened! Back in Slavery days, that would be unimaginable! What's Step 3 now? What else do you want to see? A racist country would never even get a black man into the primaries of a major party let alone elect one. Some people would rather whine than say anything constructive.

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