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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 7:46:27 AM   
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People should be elected to office based on their ideas, not their religion or the color of their skin," Sanders said.


Bernie said this in response to Carson saying something about no Muslim should be President.

This alone makes me not a Bernie fan, he makes no sense. I mean seriously. People CANNOT choose the colour of the skin, BUT people can CHOOSE their religious beliefs. A religious belief is literally an IDEA. So whatever religion people CHOOSE to align themselves with, speaks volumes to me about them and their ideas.

Religion and Race are two completely different things. One is not a choice and the other is a choice. Especially in the US. Religion is 101% a choice. So if aligning themselves with a certain religion is a fully conscious choice, it's aligning yourself to religious ideas that you agree with, they should definitely be judged on their religious choices. And to me, there is nothing in Islam that supports any idea of freedom of anything.

African Americans were enslaved due to their colour. Islam isn't against Slavery. I don't think African Americans should be supportive towards Islam.

But what I notice is, non-politicians like Trump and Carson, sure do not know how to say politically correct things, so I am totally loving them! Screw PC!

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 8:07:26 AM   
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Couple of things .... you dont like the constitution, change it..............congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion (thats one, an amendment, and may have some slim to none chance of repeal) however, in the body of the constitution (thats gonna be a hard one to get over) there shall be no religious test shall ever be required...........


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 8:25:02 AM   
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@freedomdwarf1 You have some valid points but I googled " Michelle obama pregnant " And I see one pic where her belly is sticking out but if you click on the link the story talks about her not being pregnant just gaining weight and most of the circles are lower highlighting her male parts. What I do see is a lot of pictures of a man trying to look like a woman.
Sorry but it's pretty obvious.

Maybe your Google isn't working too well - I got 25,500,000 hits in 0.33 seconds.

There are a dozen or more images of an obviously pregnant Michelle in just the first couple of pages.
If you really want to think that it's a man trying to look like a woman, you could do that with over 60% or more of all females on the planet. Only the really girly-girly looking women could be excluded and even some of those are actually male or TS/TG. So that shoots down your argument.
The fact that you don't seem to be able to find this stuff but manage to find all the spin beggars belief.

As I said in my other post, most of the so-called 'evidence' doesn't fit an awful lot of people (both male and female) and that means the theory is debunked on that 'evidence'. You'll need to find something a lot more verifiable and concrete than a set of debunked theories and missing pictures to convince people.
What has been put forward in a lot of these YT videos and websites is nothing more than pure spin and conjecture.
You only need to find one photo of her being pregnant and that completely disproves your sophomoric rhetoric.
I believe a similar accusation was leveled at our Maggie Thatcher in her day too - all totally disproved eventually.

To me, it's pretty obvious that you've swallowed the "she's a he" spin completely, hook line and sinker, and whatever you look at or find, appears to be through tinted (or should that be tainted?) eyes.


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 9:04:35 AM   
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Couple of things .... you dont like the constitution, change it..............congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion (thats one, an amendment, and may have some slim to none chance of repeal) however, in the body of the constitution (thats gonna be a hard one to get over) there shall be no religious test shall ever be required...........


it is a zebra without stripes.

What I am saying is. Religion is an idea! Bernie says the candidate should be judged on ideas and not their religion. And that does not make sense because Religion IS an idea! So judging them on their religion is judging them by their idea!

And Ben Carson clearly wasn't saying that a Muslim person cannot run for President. Of course any American regardless of religious affiliation can run for President, everyone knows that! He was simply expressing his opinion that he won't support a Muslim President. And I support his idea!

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 9:20:00 AM   
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I think that the entire concept of a benevolent sky wizard that is also a dictatorial sky wizard idea is a waste of time in the first place.

Get right with Odin.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 9:23:43 AM   
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What I do like about Carson that got going for him though is that, his life story to how he took control of his own life and fate, despite the poverty he grew up in, will be such an inspiration to the African American community, way more than Obama's, he has the troubled childhood challenges many African American kids are facing, the lack of father figure, although his mom sounds amazing. He is the right role model the African American community need. Hell, I am inspired by him, just reading about his childhood challenges.

If he wasn't President, I hope he will be Vice President to Trump if Trump wins. I still prefer Trump for President but Trump/Carson would be an awesome 2016.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 9:26:47 AM   
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Off the top of my head, my preference for the next president would be, roughly in order,
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Michelle Obama
B Obama for a third term (change the Constitution, dammit!)
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Lawrence Lessig

None of the Republicans appeal to me even slightly. In fact, I don't understand how such a wacky bunch of entitled goons can even be taken seriously.


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 11:30:33 AM   
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What I do like about Carson that got going for him though is that, his life story to how he took control of his own life and fate, despite the poverty he grew up in, will be such an inspiration to the African American community, way more than Obama's, he has the troubled childhood challenges many African American kids are facing, the lack of father figure, although his mom sounds amazing. He is the right role model the African American community need. Hell, I am inspired by him, just reading about his childhood challenges.

If he wasn't President, I hope he will be Vice President to Trump if Trump wins. I still prefer Trump for President but Trump/Carson would be an awesome 2016.



But of course old bloody doctor of gore is up to his eyeball in fetal tissue, something Obama wasnt.

Any republican combination is going to be 'awesome' but an 'awesomely' losing ticket. They haven't got a shot.




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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 11:45:52 AM   
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Off the top of my head, my preference for the next president would be, roughly in order,
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Michelle Obama
B Obama for a third term (change the Constitution, dammit!)
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Lawrence Lessig

None of the Republicans appeal to me even slightly. In fact, I don't understand how such a wacky bunch of entitled goons can even be taken seriously.



Out of all of those, only Hillary would ever get there (Biden won't run/is too old) as she most properly has already stated that she will...play ball. "Nice to have a branch of the CFR right down the street so I won't have to go far [to hear them in private] tell me what to do."

Here's one guy who feels that even of he could run for a 3rd term...Obama wouldn't. He'll take his $2 million/yr. in an office, his retirement and SS protection and because he's tired of partisan bullshit and even after he has played ball...and followed orders.

The rest will be so marginalized as to in be ineffective or if necessary...killed. Apparently there are quite enough 'troubled loners' when you really need one.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:14:06 PM   
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People should be elected to office based on their ideas, not their religion or the color of their skin," Sanders said.

Bernie said this in response to Carson saying something about no Muslim should be President.

This alone makes me not a Bernie fan, he makes no sense. I mean seriously. People CANNOT choose the colour of the skin, BUT people can CHOOSE their religious beliefs. A religious belief is literally an IDEA. So whatever religion people CHOOSE to align themselves with, speaks volumes to me about them and their ideas.


Mr. Sander's statement makes perfect sense. If your having trouble with just once sentence of text, dont bother voting in the election: your an idiot!

That said....

Most people do not get to choose their religion. Often its pushed onto them by their parents. Most adults will say they had "...A Christian upbringing.". Meaning now as an adult they can choose whether to stick with the religion or go in another direction. Some have been so conditioned they can not think of leaving the religion or the group (i.e. a cult). After all, at any time all the Branch Dravidians in Waco, TX could have left at any time during that siege. Why didn't they?

A religious belief is not an idea. Its a concept of depth in understanding of a subject matter. Whether that subject matter is good, correct, or just, is another story.

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Religion and Race are two completely different things. One is not a choice and the other is a choice. Especially in the US. Religion is 101% a choice. So if aligning themselves with a certain religion is a fully conscious choice, it's aligning yourself to religious ideas that you agree with, they should definitely be judged on their religious choices.


Obviously you have never encountered any of the hardcore religions within the country. Start with the Amish and work your from there. One one leaves the Amish, that person is considered dead to the whole community. Then check out Scientology. An those two are mild levels of fanaticism when it comes to religion. There are death cults that are even worst! Leaving one is generally a death sentence. An they WILL hunt you down!

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And to me, there is nothing in Islam that supports any idea of freedom of anything.


Have you read the holy book for Islam? Since I can open up any of the variants of the Holy Bible and justify killing anyone! For just about any reason! Because I and many others can do that, should we not declare the Holy Bible and all those that follow it suspected of doing evil things onto Americans? Since there are places within the Holy Bible that are at odds with the US Constitution. 'Freedom of Religion' being one that comes to mind almost immediately. The Holy Bible has problems with the 8th amendment as well. Who determines if a punishment is to much? We the People? Or some imaginary sky entity that no one has seen or heard, nor prove the existence of with science?

Don't like your religion being trampled and mocked? Maybe you shouldn't do to others. There's a passage in the Holy Bible about it, Luke 6, 31. Should check it out....

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African Americans were enslaved due to their colour. Islam isn't against Slavery. I don't think African Americans should be supportive towards Islam.


Yet, Islam was not the big religion in the United States. That would be Christinaity! Christianity is not against slavery....EITHER.

African Americans were not enslaved due to their color, but their tribe. Tribes would often war against each other in Africa. The males were often slaughter while the females and children taken as slaves for the tribe. After a time, those individuals would be made members of the tribe. Along came the White Man. An he had marvelous stuff to trade. Furniture, jewels, clothing. Even firearms. They traded these items for black slaves taken in conquest. So when blacks bitch about the whole slave trade and whites being evil; I point out their own countrymen sold their ancestors into slavery BEFORE they left Africa.

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But what I notice is, non-politicians like Trump and Carson, sure do not know how to say politically correct things, so I am totally loving them! Screw PC!


Trump is not a politician? Mr. Trump runs a multi-billion dollar enterprise. Its often stated that a CEO of a large company is often doing the same things a politician does as major or a large city. They are both hired to the job, just under different circumstances. Mr. Trump is every bit a politician, and sucks at the governing side to which he is trying to obtain a position (have you not seen all his failed marriages and bankruptcies to date?). Mr. Carson is a politician. Frankly, he's psychotic and should be in a hospital for the rest of his life. As the patient!

Hillary can take either one down without much effort in the general election. People may not like here for any number of reasons; but they'll vote for her over an arrogant asshole of the 1% and the totally insane tea party.


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:18:10 PM   
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And I support his idea!


Just how is he going to be your president if you live in singapore?

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:19:58 PM   
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Yet, Islam was not the big religion in the United States. That would be Christinaity! Christianity is not against slavery....EITHER.


It seems that christians in this country embraced slavery for a couple of hundred years

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:21:42 PM   
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What I do like about Carson that got going for him though is that, his life story to how he took control of his own life and fate, despite the poverty he grew up in, will be such an inspiration to the African American community, way more than Obama's, he has the troubled childhood challenges many African American kids are facing, the lack of father figure, although his mom sounds amazing. He is the right role model the African American community need. Hell, I am inspired by him, just reading about his childhood challenges.


If I had to choose a role model based entirely on one's skin color and NOT their other accomplishments; it would still be President Obama. Since I do not judge based on skin color when selecting someone for President. The only reason the GOP/TP is giving Mr. Carson a 'shot' is because he is black. Not because he's stable or had a single decent concept going for him.

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If he wasn't President, I hope he will be Vice President to Trump if Trump wins. I still prefer Trump for President but Trump/Carson would be an awesome 2016.


Do you have any idea how many Democrats would like that ticket? Hillary would get voted into office by a landslide. Right now, she's going to win. But that particular ticket it will be a landslide!

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:33:48 PM   
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@thompsonx Is being mean and close minded working for you? If you can't temporarily set your beliefs aside and even consider out side ideas you will never learn anything new.


I think it's his kink.


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 1:49:26 PM   
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People should be elected to office based on their ideas, not their religion or the color of their skin," Sanders said.

Bernie said this in response to Carson saying something about no Muslim should be President.
This alone makes me not a Bernie fan, he makes no sense. I mean seriously. People CANNOT choose the colour of the skin, BUT people can CHOOSE their religious beliefs. A religious belief is literally an IDEA. So whatever religion people CHOOSE to align themselves with, speaks volumes to me about them and their ideas.
Religion and Race are two completely different things. One is not a choice and the other is a choice. Especially in the US. Religion is 101% a choice. So if aligning themselves with a certain religion is a fully conscious choice, it's aligning yourself to religious ideas that you agree with, they should definitely be judged on their religious choices. And to me, there is nothing in Islam that supports any idea of freedom of anything.


While it's true that religion and race are two different things, electing a person based on either is a bad plan, imo. I disagree with Dr. Carson. I can only hope he meant radical Islamists, but that's not what he said. That really takes him down several notches in my book.

I don't fault Bernie Sanders for what he said. I agree with him. I won't vote for him because of his ideas, but that's a different story...


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 2:00:55 PM   
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@thompsonx Is being mean and close minded working for you? If you can't temporarily set your beliefs aside and even consider out side ideas you will never learn anything new.


I think it's his kink.



Wrong...honesty is my kink profanty and vulgarity are my prefered methods of exposition when corresponding with fools. As you well know I was civil to you until you became uncivil to me.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/21/2015 10:19:00 PM   
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@stef I bet your a real joy to be around.

Unless you are an imbecile who posts utterly stupid shit and doesn't know the difference between your and you're, that is definitely true.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/22/2015 12:14:34 AM   
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If I had to choose a role model based entirely on one's skin color and NOT their other accomplishments; it would still be President Obama. Since I do not judge based on skin color when selecting someone for President. The only reason the GOP/TP is giving Mr. Carson a 'shot' is because he is black. Not because he's stable or had a single decent concept going for him.

Why would it be Obama? He grew up in a privileged upper middle class family, goes into fancy private school. I feel his challenges growing up were less difficult than Ben Carson. If I wanted to choose someone who is privileged, then I rather go all the way and choose Trump.

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Do you have any idea how many Democrats would like that ticket? Hillary would get voted into office by a landslide. Right now, she's going to win. But that particular ticket it will be a landslide!

That's what the libs say to comfort themselves on Trump's popularity. But if Team Trump/Carson makes Libs happy, then let's all root together for that ticket!


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/22/2015 12:18:06 AM   
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Just how is he going to be your president if you live in singapore?


I don't have to be able to vote to like somebody in another country.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/22/2015 12:19:51 AM   
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It seems that christians in this country embraced slavery for a couple of hundred years

I'm an atheist, so say anything about Christianity that you want, it doesn't bother me. But when we look at slavery today, who is practicing it still. it's not the Christians, fortunately, they have evolved. But it also puzzles me why would black people want to be Christian too.

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