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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 3:26:16 PM   
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And I was thinking "that's it? Like a sock? Then what's all the fuss about?"

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 3:30:39 PM   
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..How else do you think I convinced the sitter to sleep with me?


Kana... I want to apologize in advance. I am getting older and my eye sight on the computer is better with glasses than without. In fact, I dropped $200 for a special pair of computer glasses that are different than my up close reading glasses.

That being said, upon reading this again with glasses now, I am glad it turns our you hadn't "convinced the sister to sleep with me" . . . I had to get my glasses because I thought you were tearing up the virginity of a holy convent.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 6:09:16 PM   
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Back when I used to hook in Amsterdam, that's where I worked.

Ishtar, if it was you, that's another level altogether! But are the other girls like you?

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 6:20:27 PM   
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Back when I used to hook in Amsterdam, that's where I worked.

Ishtar, if it was you, that's another level altogether! But are the other girls like you?



I don't understand your comment.

As for the question: yeah most of the girls working at the Ruysdaelkade were like me (at least back then, a lot has changed in the red light districts since internet escorts became more common). They are higher end girls who are pickier about their clients, and charge triple rates from what the girls in the tourist district do. They tend to specialize more in the "girlfriend experience" and get booked for longer blocks instead of the typical 15-minute lay in the tourist district, and because of all of that, tend to be far less jaded, and far more customer focused.

The girls in the main tourist section tend to be Eastern-European and ex-Soviet girls who came to the West thinking they were going to strike it rich, and after struggling to get by ended up hooking cause they think it's easier money. They quickly find out hooking isn't all that easy either, and the money isn't as good as most people picture, when you're doing 5-10 johns a day for $50 a lay, because you still have to pay rent for your window (lower end windows started at about $100 for a 12 hour shift in my day, and you get a bad, out of the way, dirty location at a bad time for that).

On another note, it's not uncommon in Europe's red-light district that girls have paperwork with them showing evidence of recent STD tests. Some of them even advertise with them in the window. It tends to not be a bad idea to shop around and find a girl who has recent tests to show you.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 6:37:02 PM   
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I mean, you are a woman who is very intune with your sexuality and indulge in it.

But from what I heard from other guys, usually the problem with paid sex from these professionals, is, they aren't, they are just going through the motions.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 6:40:52 PM   
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The girls in the main tourist section tend to be Eastern-European and ex-Soviet girls who came to the West thinking they were going to strike it rich, and after struggling to get by ended up hooking cause they think it's easier money. They quickly find out hooking isn't all that easy either, and the money isn't as good as most people picture, when you're doing 5-10 johns a day for $50 a lay, because you still have to pay rent for your window (lower end windows started at about $100 for a 12 hour shift in my day, and you get a bad, out of the way, dirty location at a bad time for that).

I never thought hooking was easy, especially if you got to service multiples all day, I can imagine it really becomes boring monotonous work and it's dangerous too. But I am surprise it's just 50bux per lay. Damn they are charging too low to make a living!


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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 7:18:46 PM   
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But from what I heard from other guys, usually the problem with paid sex from these professionals, is, they aren't, they are just going through the motions.


It depends heavily on the type of hooker you get, and the type of client it is. Lower end hookers at cheaper rates aren't as good at their job, and so the process is going to be more mechanical, with lower customer satisfaction.

You get what you pay for.



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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 7:26:12 PM   
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I can imagine it really becomes boring monotonous work and it's dangerous too.



Dangerous again depends on the type of work you're doing. Street walking and getting into some strange dude's car, you bet it's dangerous.
Red light work. Not so much.

I always got a window in one of the higher end buildings, and part of the perks we had was an armed security guy on the premises, and panic buttons scattered throughout the room.
Not really dangerous at all. And the biggest danger I personally ever faced was guys secretly trying to slip off the condom. Which with me got you immediately kicked out... no refunds.

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But I am surprise it's just 50bux per lay. Damn they are charging too low to make a living!



$50/15 minutes was about going rate for the lower end girls back when I worked there (10 years ago), and prices seemed to have stayed somewhat steady. 2 years ago I took my husband to Amsterdam on vacation, and we paid 100 euros for about 20 minutes. If it would have been just him, she would have charged 50 euros instead.

My starting rate for a straight 15min lay was 75 euro. 130 for half an hour, and 250 for an hour. That's straight sex, without any extras (no foreplay, no anal, no kink, no kissing, etc). It's primarily the extras where you make the most money. Light kink thrown in doubled going rates. I know girls who've been in the business longer and had a steady client base who could easily get away with charging double or in some cases triple those rates.

The girl who showed me the ropes and got me set up with my first window and stuff, a friend of mine from the kink community, had been in the business for over 20 years.
She only worked a few days a month, (trying to cut back because she had kids now, and the hours make it hard to be a mom, cause it's primarily weekends/night) and when she did decided to work, she'd send text messages to her clients, and she would be booked solid within a few hours. She had some super high end clients that would pay for her to go on dates, and vacations and stuff. If she made less than $30.000 in a week she did decided to work she'd come complain to me about what a bad week she'd had. Seriously...



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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 8:05:21 PM   
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I always got a window in one of the higher end buildings, and part of the perks we had was an armed security guy on the premises, and panic buttons scattered throughout the room.
Not really dangerous at all. And the biggest danger I personally ever faced was guys secretly trying to slip off the condom. Which with me got you immediately kicked out... no refunds.

It seems like Holland has a pretty good system going to protect women going into this career. That's really good to hear.

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$50/15 minutes was about going rate for the lower end girls back when I worked there (10 years ago), and prices seemed to have stayed somewhat steady. 2 years ago I took my husband to Amsterdam on vacation, and we paid 100 euros for about 20 minutes. If it would have been just him, she would have charged 50 euros instead.

My starting rate for a straight 15min lay was 75 euro. 130 for half an hour, and 250 for an hour. That's straight sex, without any extras (no foreplay, no anal, no kink, no kissing, etc). It's primarily the extras where you make the most money. Light kink thrown in doubled going rates. I know girls who've been in the business longer and had a steady client base who could easily get away with charging double or in some cases triple those rates.


I think someone did tell that to me, that at Amsterdam, it's just like that, just penetrative sex with no foreplay, nothing else when you get one. I suppose he didn't know he just had to pay all the extras for the full experience. I can't imagine 15 minutes session, like if the guy doesn't cum by then, do you kick him out? And tell him times up?


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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 8:20:39 PM   
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I can't imagine 15 minutes session, like if the guy doesn't cum by then, do you kick him out? And tell him times up?



That's 15-20 minutes. As in the girl wants you be out the door in that time. That includes coming in, getting undressed, washing up at the sink, sex, getting dressed, and getting out. 15 minutes is quoted. The girl counts on you being out in less than 20 for that.

And yeah, you watch the clock for guys who pay for that short of a time, give them a 5 minute warning when it doesn't seem like they'll finish in time, and literally kick them off when time's up and it seems like they're just going to keep going.
At which point you up-sell them another 15 minutes (this why a girl will make sure that your pants, with your wallet in it, is put next to the bed, not cause she's looking to steal from you while you're fucking her but to up-sell you extras. Once a guy's dick is going -at least the ones who see hookers in the first place- and the money is near, it's an easier sell... don't go to a red-light district hooker with more cash in your pocket than you're wiling to end up spending, our job is to get your to leave with an empty wallet, and most of the experienced girls are pretty good at doing just that).

If the guy is cheap and refuses to pay more, you kick him out at that point. He didn't pay to get to cum. He paid for your time.
Almost all of the guys who go for the 15 minute rate are experienced enough with hookers to know what it means and will be done in less than that time. They want a cheap lay, and so they make sure that they're finished in time. The ones who don't are either new themselves, or they are testing the girl to see if she'll give him more time for free.

Guys who want to not be rushed pay for half an hour or more up front. I didn't do very many 15 minute guys (again, higher end district, higher end guys). Most of mine were half hour deals, with guys who wanted extras (mainly kink because I advertised for that) booking an hour or two instead.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 8:22:48 PM   
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It seems like Holland has a pretty good system going to protect women going into this career. That's really good to hear.



Antwerp even has one building taking up about a third of the red light district (bought up by a mega corp managing brothels in various European cities) that has an actual police office in one end of the building, with the panic buttons going straight to the cops.
Europe is generally pretty good about making sure that legal prostitution is safe for both parties involved.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 11:11:12 PM   
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I lived my life looking for someone special, & I will keep it that way even if I become the 60 years old virgin.

Are you serious?
What are you doing in a kink site if you are just waiting for sex after marriage?
Yea, I love sex, not ashame of it. It's a beautiful thing to be enjoyed with anybody who enjoys sex as much as I do! I LOVE SEX!

I heard amsterdam whores are not a good initiation for sex, as they are like, too jaded, so I wouldn't recommend that either.




Well gee, Greta, how can you be so judgemental? You must lack empathy!

Hypocritical much?

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 11:29:55 PM   
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Well gee, Greta, how can you be so judgemental? You must lack empathy!
Hypocritical much?

Asking someone what they are doing on a kink site if they are waiting till marriage for sex is merely a question, a curiousity, not judgement. And he says because he enjoys wanking. Which makes sense to me now. I mean, it's rare for men into kink unless they are into all the chastity stuffs or something to want to wait. So I was curious.

I think you have reading comprehension problems. And the conversation ended with, I'm happy for him!

You are judgmental though, so I don't take those words back as it's just my honest opinion of you.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 11:34:42 PM   
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LMAO

Please. Read it again and see your tone was totally judgemental and he knows it, just as he could care less that you added a phony you are happy for him.

If anyone on this board has reading comprehension problems, you win that title hands down, which you demonstrate ad nauseum.


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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 9/30/2015 11:43:37 PM   
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LMAO
Please. Read it again and see your tone was totally judgemental and he knows it, just as he could care less that you added a phony you are happy for him.
If anyone on this board has reading comprehension problems, you win that title hands down, which you demonstrate ad nauseum.

If that is your interpretation, that's your problem. A man saving his virginity till 60 is very rare. I am curious what motivates him. My questions were sincere.

And if he had felt judged for being a virgin, I would apologise because that was not my intent, but I seldom meet men who wants to stay virgins by choice, so I was very very curious. That my innocent curiousity made him feel judged, because I would have clarified that, it was not the intent.

I hope he will accept my apology. There ya go :)


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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 10/1/2015 2:25:57 AM   
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If that is your interpretation, that's your problem. A man saving his virginity till 60 is very rare. I am curious what motivates him. My questions were sincere.

And if he had felt judged for being a virgin, I would apologise because that was not my intent, but I seldom meet men who wants to stay
virgins by choice, so I was very very curious. That my innocent curiousity made him feel judged, because I would have clarified that, it was not the intent.



your question was not sincere, you assumed something I never said, & thought it was my motivation. then you asked what the hell am I doing here. (kind of saying go find yourself a pussy you SOB).

it was your intent, even if you don't admit it. you told me to go meet a hooker & get it over with, like its something to be a shamed of. which I am not by the way.

and by the by: I am not saying this to get an apology from you. I really don't care.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 10/1/2015 3:05:27 AM   
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your question was not sincere, you assumed something I never said, & thought it was my motivation. then you asked what the hell am I doing here. (kind of saying go find yourself a pussy you SOB).

it was your intent, even if you don't admit it. you told me to go meet a hooker & get it over with, like its something to be a shamed of. which I am not by the way.

and by the by: I am not saying this to get an apology from you. I really don't care.

Actually, my thought process was this. First you said you never put your dick in a vagina before. I didn't believe your claim, so I asked if you mean it that you never had sex? And your respond as to why you never have sex is because you claim you were based in the middle east. To me, you are telling me it's hard to get sex in the middle east because of muslim conservativeness. So I responded by telling you how middle eastern can get sex.

Then you replied by saying you wouldn't get it on with a prostitute. I never suggest once that you get it with a prostitute. The scene that I told you about was how Saudis get casual sex. They aren't paid whores, but just genuine women who wants to get laid, and getting it done without getting in trouble. It's like a normal person in a regular society going out to a club, buy a girl a drink and hook up if they like each other.

So you were the one who brought up hookers in amsterdam, that's why I say I would never suggest that you get laid in amsterdam with hookers because it would not be a good first experience.

And as to why you are in a kink site, you replied that you enjoy wanking. And it reminded me of men who prefers wanking to sexual penetration, so I brought it up and I was wondering if it's like that for you.

Anyway, pretty much, that's how everything went. No where was I insulting you at all.

I've explained and clarified and apologised for hurting your feelings and if you are still upset, then I can't help you. You can simply stop corresponding with me.

Perhaps you mistake the saudi girls as hookers, because I forgot to add that, if the lady declines the drink, it means she is not interested, then no hook up would happen. So for it to work out, the lady has to make eye contact and accept the man's drink to her. Different culture do things differently for non-cash transaction hook ups. It was you who assume they were prostitutes by the way! And why the hell would you even think that of them?

Also, I actually respect prostitutes as human beings with a legitimate career, so I also didn't like how you spoke about them. I said Amsterdam hookers aren't a good first experience, because they do it like a job, as it is their job. As I feel first experience should be passionate and mindblowing, and that may not be the role they can play for you. Of course Ishtar has now clarified that it is possible to get a passionate sexual experience with a sex worker in Amsterdam, and with that new information, I would also retract anything I said about it not being a good idea for first time sex to be with a Amsterdam prostitute.

My own brother first sexual experience was with a prostitute, I don't see anything wrong with it, he paid a woman to teach him how to pleasure a woman properly and how to make love properly. When he eventually had his girlfriend, he put everything he learnt from the prostitute into good use to give his girlfriend a great time.

I mean, it's one great way to learn!

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 10/1/2015 9:23:52 AM   
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Actually, my thought process was this. First you said you never put your dick in a vagina before.
I didn't believe your claim, so I asked if you mean it that you never had sex? And your respond as to why you never have sex is because you claim you were based in the middle east.
To me, you are telling me it's hard to get sex in the middle east because of muslim conservativeness. So I responded by telling you how middle eastern can get sex.


no, & I don't want to put it in any vagina, its more to me than just sex. it has other sort of aspects than just dicks & vagina`s ..
it has aspect of feelings & connection real connection not shallow connection of someone offering someone a drink from across the room.

then you moved to assuming that I want casual sex, comparing some story you got from someone that its free. which in fact is another thing. then you moved to suggesting that I should have done it before.
I did not say that I couldn't get sex because I was there. you assumed that. anyone can get sex if he/she want to. I never wanted shallow meaningless sex. I wanted something else.
I actually was telling in sort of way how hard it was to get a real relationship outside of marriage when the society is so closed minded.

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Then you replied by saying you wouldn't get it on with a prostitute. I never suggest once that you get it with a prostitute. The scene that I told you about was how Saudis get casual sex.
They aren't paid whores, but just genuine women who wants to get laid, and getting it done without getting in trouble. It's like a normal person in a regular society going out to a club, buy a girl a drink and hook up if they like each other.


how the Saudis get sex is their own thing. every society has its own problem. you are comparing my own personal value wanting a relationship to how Saudis get casual sex.

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So you were the one who brought up hookers in amsterdam, that's why I say I would never suggest that you get laid in amsterdam with hookers because it would not be a good first experience.


replaying to your own "chain of thinking & assuming's " that I am some 30 years old virgin who have something wrong with him & he should get it over with.


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And as to why you are in a kink site, you replied that you enjoy wanking. And it reminded me of men who prefers wanking to sexual penetration, so I brought it up and I was wondering if it's like that for you.


again with the assuming. when I did not say that you jumped from your idea of a wanker & applying it to someone else.

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Anyway, pretty much, that's how everything went. No where was I insulting you at all.


no, you was not insulting you was & still judgmental & assuming things that wont / shouldn't / wouldn't work in other person idea of real relationship.

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I've explained and clarified and apologised for hurting your feelings and if you are still upset, then I can't help you. You can simply stop corresponding with me.


no you did not, you kept on assuming & judging how I was & still living my life. saying

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Perhaps you mistake the saudi girls as hookers, because I forgot to add that, if the lady declines the drink, it means she is not interested, then no hook up would happen.
So for it to work out, the lady has to make eye contact and accept the man's drink to her.
Different culture do things differently for non-cash transaction hook ups. It was you who assume they were prostitutes by the way! And why the hell would you even think that of them?


again where did I say that? what are you talking about? I did not said that anyone want a casual sex is a hooker. I simply said its not something for me. stop assuming what I did not say & then put it in my words.

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Also, I actually respect prostitutes as human beings with a legitimate career, so I also didn't like how you spoke about them.
I said Amsterdam hookers aren't a good first experience, because they do it like a job, as it is their job. As I feel first experience should be passionate and mindblowing, and that may not be the role they can play for you.
Of course Ishtar has now clarified that it is possible to get a passionate sexual experience with a sex worker in Amsterdam, and with that new information, I would also retract anything I said about it not being a good idea for first time sex
to be with a Amsterdam prostitute.


i did not like saying that about them either. but its kind of true. most of them smell kind of ..... you know. but that is how i see things maybe i am wrong.

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My own brother first sexual experience was with a prostitute, I don't see anything wrong with it, he paid a woman to teach him how to pleasure a woman properly and how to make love properly.
When he eventually had his girlfriend, he put everything he learnt from the prostitute into good use to give his girlfriend a great time.


good for him. I would not do it. i think going to a prostitute & paying for sex is kind of demeaning to all women. i think its wrong.

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I mean, it's one great way to learn!


that is on hell of sentence there. its not actually demeaning. its actually an advice to some freak. what you actually said here is : go find yourself a vagina you virgin freak.
& that is something i would let slide here, simply because what you describe of sex just dicks & vagina`s ... how you stripped sex from its true meaning of two people feeling something for each other & comfortable naked with each other
how it goes both ways... some kind of connection that the heart beat 300 beats/minute the adrenaline rush into someone system & the endorphin release into the brain.
how two people will stay in bed cuddling afterwards talking what they like & what they would try next time.

bottom line is your idea of ( just stick that dick into my vagina) sex ... I would rather go to 60 without it.
if its work for you... don't assume it would work for someone else.

one more thing, please be a bit more open-minded about what other people think. after all we are in a BDSM site. what you like maybe a hard limit for others.

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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 10/1/2015 9:38:24 AM   
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If that is your interpretation, that's your problem. A man saving his virginity till 60 is very rare. I am curious what motivates him. My questions were sincere.


And mine as well.
You didn't come across in the slightest as curious about his motivations, or sincere. You came across as mocking him for his idiocy of still being a virgin at this age, as if the only thing that's stood in the way of him is him being to dumb to figure out how to 'fix' the situation.
You also came across as proposing that the fact that he's still a virgin is somehow a problem, and something to be ashamed of, that he needs to change as soon as possible.
And lastly you seemed to imply in a very negative judgmental way that people who are asexual, or have diminish sex drive, or don't want to have sex at all (not saying those apply to you ashjor) have no place on a BDSM site and should just go away and let the 'grown ups' spend time together.

Might not have been what you meant, but that's how it read.


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RE: Men, Describe how it feels like to - 10/1/2015 12:19:37 PM   
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I'm with Ashjor on this one. The tone came across as mocking him rather than sincere, and that he somehow shouldn't be here. Personally I admire Ash for sticking to his convictions, and waiting for the right person.

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