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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Yet, when they run on a "repeal Obamacare" platform, and they try to do that, they get criticized, even though they are attempting to follow up on their promises.
The 'repeal the ACA' was a moved used a a few months before the state exchanges would open to all Americans. It was their last, best chance, to change what would become President Obama's crowning achievement in office. They shut down the government to force Democrats to remove a law on the books. When I asked conservatives on here if things were reversed; not a single one (yourself included) would go along with 'the deal' I was giving in a hypothetical question. So if it wasn't something conservatives would do; why try to get the liberals and moderates to do it?
It was a political stunt to gain points from their base. Cost the nation many billions of dollars and many more moderates would side with Democrats in future elections. In the end, conservatives lost out in the long run.
A intelligent and wise conservative (which most conservatives are not these days) would have understood that the ACA is around for as long as President Obama is in office. That one has to pick their battles, rather than mindlessly lashing out in fury. In fact the intelligent and wise conservative would have read through the ACA and determine what about the bill was actually good and what was not. Again, the grand majority of conservatives (yourself included here) did not perform this operation. So when lashing out in pathetic attempts to attack Democrats, the President or even liberals; you and others were rightly SMASHED with facts and evidence. You came out of the fight looking stupid and beaten.
Now, You, DS, have learned over time about the ACA. Unlike most conservatives on this board, you have gained insight about the concept of ACA. The question is, could you publicly state what is good about the ACA? Or, is 'conformity of stupid' more important as a conservative 'quality'?
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
What jobs bills have the Democrats brought up?
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
This was that 'spending bill' (as conservatives labelled it). It basically created money to be spent at the state levels and some left over at the federal levels off set the problem of the recent recession: lack of demand. In each recession before it, past Presidents would spend money from the US Government to offset falling demand for products and thus, create a shorter length of time spent during a recession (or bear market). These are lessons learned from the Great Depression. Conservatives not surprisingly, never learned much about the Great Depression as it concern 'government' and 'spending'.
Even the conservative deity, Ronald Reagan spent US dollars keeping the economy from sinking into a recession.
Conservatives were against the act because they were automatically against President Obama. Completely mindless in there determination to make him a one term President. In their minds at that time (an observed by many non-conservatives) the belief was: The Ends Justify The Means. If they could do anything and everything to stop the President, including destroying the nation's economy, to get the White House; it was an 'OK' tactic. Curious that you talk about good standards of ethics (and I agree with you, as unbelievable as it sounds); yet you didn't hold your own party accountable or responsible with power.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I thinks it's okay to defund health care, regardless of what Planned Parenthood is alleged to have done (and I think they've done nothing illegal, btw). Is it okay to shut down government over PP funding? Not in my eyes.
If you were informed you would know that Planned Parenthood did nothing it was accused of by the liars bring up the attacks. Since your not informed, we have the above statement. In fact, I even created a thread on the very topic. I showed how conservative media and political organizations were KNOWING lying about events. And that conservatives were either to stupid or corrupted (or both) to care, as 'The Ends Justify The Means'. It shows conservatives have...STILL...not learned that concept is wrong for the nation.
Its not 'OK' to defund healthcare. One day, DesideriScuri, you will need the US government's help on things. Particularly healthcare. The pain and suffering you will endure will push you to get help from that US Government you have been trying to defund. Imagine if it was defunded for a moment. You would be....SCREWED! To 'enjoy your remaining years in misery and suffering'. Or, you'll accept the money, from the government, to get medication and help to alleviate the suffering; an be a total hypocrite. I wonder how strong your willpower is at resisting pain and suffering. Everyone has a breaking point DesideriScuri. As Clint Eastwood once said, "Man's got to know his limitations"....
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If Congress passes a budget bill and sends it to the President, if he vetoes it, he'll be shutting down government. Since there is no way for the GOP to send a bill to the President without at least some Democrat votes, anything reaching his desk will be, technically, bipartisan. The job of the GOP is not to pass legislation they know the President will sign if it doesn't line up with party's agenda.
If Congress creates a budget they KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that the President would veto, its THEIR FAULT.
Does it cost much money to send some people on a fifteen minute walk to the White House and ask the President's people, "Hey here is what is in the bill, will the big boss sign off on it"? They've had a few months to do this.
They have...NO EXCUSE....for placing a rider into the budget bill they...KNOW...the President will not sign off on.
How would you like it if Democrats placed a law that would effectively kill the 2nd amendment? Would you and other conservatives sign off on the law?
Same tactic. Not a single conservative including the hypothetical conservative President would sign off on it. And it WOULD BE the Democrat's fault for shutting down the government.
If its...NOT 'OK"....for Democrats to do, then its....NOT 'OK'....for the Republican/Tea Party!
I don't really understand how or why you can be so ignorant and foolish on this issue. That conservatives didn't learn last time what happened, so maybe they'll have to learn...AGAIN! The shutdown takes places, Democrats not only get the White House but control of Congress. When conservatives in the nation and on this board bitch about it (like we all know they will); I'll point out to you and others about this discussion. Specifically pointing out this post. Then you will have...NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES...
We moderates and liberals already know how well you conservatives handle 'blame' and 'responsibility'....
...helping to keep liberal comedians in business for ANOTHER four years....
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Sometimes, Lucy, you really need to go buy a fucking clue.
How about you buy the fucking clue, DesideriScuri. Your party is corrupted to the core! Its 'values' have all been disproved as BULLSHIT. The people that make up the voters are uneducated, unintelligent, fools. You would rather the nation was destroyed....UTTERLY....rather than having to face up to the problems you have created! Don't you want RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT? No, you want that 'limited' shit you can not define (and yes, I did nail your ass on a thread about it too).
As I said, DesideriScuri, your an intelligent guy, but I'm at a lost for why you would still side with your political party given the situation at current. How 'dumb' of an idea is it for conservatives to shut down the government over something petty? Would be like the US Government giving Al Qaeda a few nuclear weapons and telling them to 'place nice with everyone'.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
ETA: What bills has Congress sent to the President that cut taxes for the top earners?
None, they got the last President to handled those bills. We as a nation are...STILL...paying for that mistake. Its one of the reasons our national debt is so fucking large. To bad your uninformed on that due to your political (and/of foolish) viewpoints.
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