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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/28/2015 10:45:51 PM   
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some of you are operating under this strange assumption that its congress's job to "do something"

a few things: for the most part, what mess we are in is due to government involvement in places where many, if not most people, believe it doesn't belong. I don't want congress (or the government in general) to "do something," I want them to do less.

which is a nice segue into our social/political differences. when democrats and republicans are so philosophically at odds with each other---just what does "doing something" look like? it means finding those rare places where bi-partisan agreement exists (if any) and to me, it also means putting a halt on the liberal agenda. the last two congressional elections where democrats were voted out in droves should give you an idea of where most of the country stands on that latter point.

liberals like to cry that republicans are obstructionists, or the "party of no"---how absurd, as if republicans in those instances are doing something other than holding true to their positions and representing the will of their constituents. did we ever hear liberals raising a fuss when harry reid refused to allow votes, which actually is obstructionist, on republican sponsored bills?

its interesting how republicans get cast in the role of "shutting the government" down whenever liberals don't get their way, never minding the will of the people. also, "defaulting on the government debt" is not a part of the equation. for democrats and their sympathizers to continue to bring it up is either ignorant, or disingenuous.

lastly---tea party nuts? ultra right wingers? it says something pretty bad about our country when people who advocate for lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (yeah, 19 trillion in debt is a good thing), and limited/constitutional government are viewed in such a light.

to the point of the thread---to aylee's point, john Boehner was viewed as an establishment type of republican who did not represent the more conservative aspect of the party. in that regard, he is more or less "democrat lite." his departure was cheered by many at recent speeches being given by some of the current presidential candidates. among other things, I heard there were ~30 congressional members seeking a "no confidence" vote.


the last two congressional elections where democrats were voted out in droves should give you an idea of where most of the country stands on that latter point.

Nonsense. It demonstrates the effectiveness of gerrymadering


how absurd, as if republicans in those instances are doing something other than holding true to their positions and representing the will of their constituents.

If their constituents are in Mississippi or Georgia perhaps, and then only a majority, not all. For the most part, Republicans in Congress haven't represented the will of their constituents since the 50's.


it says something pretty bad about our country when people who advocate for lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (yeah, 19 trillion in debt is a good thing), and limited/constitutional government are viewed in such a light.
1) They don't REALLY advocate for any of that. They advocate for hating Obama, and taking money from their corporate donors. (Ask Ted Cruz and his Goldman Sachs wife)
2) They have no practical solutions for ANYTHING they claim to advocate. They know nothing about governing. They don't understand our capitalist system. They don't understand foreign affairs. They couldn't even find Syria on a map.


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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/29/2015 9:49:32 AM   
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I like Boehner, he's a good man with a job that's gone full ridiculous because of the current nature of our political system.

If the Speaker's job is to run that part of the institution, then how can he support people whose actions suggest they're desperately trying to destroy that institution? How is it that fixing obamacare and defunding planned parenthood all are fixed the same way, defaulting on debts, which hurts the institution. It's like the only way to fix things is to destroy the institution. So if the power of governing is taken away from those who govern currently, who fills the power vacuum? The regular people? What about those regular people who disagree with this? Are you sure the power won't go to the people who funded the campaigns of the people trying to destroy the government?

I really think this is his last ditch effort to save the institution's credibility.

I'm really interested to see what happens with all of that now. I hope the government doesn't shut down. Seems to me that would just be bad for pretty much everyone.

I think Boehner explained his reasoning very well in his interview with Face the Nation.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/29/2015 10:36:18 AM   
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Nah, now Boener will work with the democrats. Nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

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