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CreativeDominant -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/29/2015 7:18:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether It is sad when conservatives really can not come to terms with their own political party and philosophy. I understand that DENIAL is the first of five steps; but please guys, your in year seven of this denial of reality. The Republican party is in total shambles. Your best candidate for the Oval Office is a guy that can not answer a reasonable question with at least a semi-intelligent answer. You say you want good government, then do EVERYTHING to undermine that effort. So here you are attacking me, rather than looking at your own politics like rational adults. You can not make even a half decent argument justifying the words and actions of your own party and STILL think you have any credibility at the end of it. You demand the President to be honest and open on things, right? I'm in favor of that to. He's not been able to be honest because there are parts of this nation that simply can not handle the truth like a FUCKING ADULT! When he's been honest, you have all attacked him, left, right, and center! You keep attacking the guy; why should he be honest and open? To a bunch of people that think he's the enemy rather than a fellow US Citizen? I'm not just saying your party is full of shit. I'm giving the evidence that it is full of shit too! The evidence is more damning than my words. Not one of you have refuted the evidence. What are you doing about keeping your own political party honest? Letting them run government into the ground because none of you are mature enough to handle things like adults? Your party is morally, ethically, scientifically, emotional, mentally, and most likely physically, bankrupt! Your party would make a deal with the Devil for more power. And then try to screw that entity with a loophole or fine text 'understandings'. Your party tried that in 1996; and this nation got George W. Bush & Company. Did you NOT learn from the mistakes the first time around to be dumb enough to do it a second time? Does the nation have to pay for your ego bills? A 'currency' no institution in America excepts outside of 'Loony Ville, USA'? All we get from you guys is BULLSHIT. And its stacked up, like LEGO blocks! It just doesn't fit together like LEGO blocks. When it falls over because none of you spent a dime being an engineer; you blame everyone else for your party's failures. You dont like it when the Democrats do it. I can understand that. By...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ALLOW YOUR OWN PARTY TO DO THE SAME SHIT?!?!?!?! Youve yet to refute anything served up to you that refutes your claims. Claims that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the story from your source which was actually a pretty straightforward story about a Congressional hearing...about statements made by both sides...with NOTHING in the story itself offering any shoring up of either side. So what exact proof of the 'rightness' of Planned Parenthood did your source offer? Other than statements made by someone from Planned Parenthood? Actually I did. A few months ago when this story broke out onto national media. I placed the first video and the three hour video links in the OP. At that time, not one of had a half decent counter argument. As observed, you all (dare I say....conspiracy) tried to move the topic away from the OP onto something else ASAP. Now months later, we have a Republican-led panel attacking Planned Parenthood, using the same discredited movies as justification to attack the organization. I asked then as I do now: Why are conservatives 'OK' when their political party lies openly, but not 'OK' when the Democrats are telling the truth? Shouldn't we encourage honesty in Congress? If that is true, then why isn't this organization, 'Center for Medical Progress' being investigated? Its leader(s) dragged before the same panel and asked to testify? Explain their actions of smearing a well known organization with false accusations? You can not even give me a single argument that sounds rational! That's your problem! My evidence is a three hour video. That if watched, shows the PPH executives explaining to the actors the process and ethics involved at every stage of the process. That PPH was investigated. Those doing the investigating did not see any evidence to show PPH or its members were involved in a conspiracy or breakage of the law. In the video of the House panel, there is a Republican from Utah heard accusing PPH of using federal funds to support political groups. The executive from PPH could not get a word in edge wise to explain the process. Because the Republican knew, as did everyone else whom is informed (i.e. not you), that the federal dollars are not used for abortions. In fact, the money PPH gets from the US Government is kept quite separating from abortions and political activities. In other words, PPH is following the laws of the land. The thread I'm mention is still on the forum. The (nearly) Three Hour Video Is Found Here! Your evidence does absolutely nothing to prove your topic HERE or to address the points made above. Talk about not being able to argue your point...no wonder you resort to a wall of jumpsuit.

BamaD -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/29/2015 8:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether It is sad when conservatives really can not come to terms with their own political party and philosophy. I understand that DENIAL is the first of five steps; but please guys, your in year seven of this denial of reality. The Republican party is in total shambles. Your best candidate for the Oval Office is a guy that can not answer a reasonable question with at least a semi-intelligent answer. You say you want good government, then do EVERYTHING to undermine that effort. So here you are attacking me, rather than looking at your own politics like rational adults. You can not make even a half decent argument justifying the words and actions of your own party and STILL think you have any credibility at the end of it. You demand the President to be honest and open on things, right? I'm in favor of that to. He's not been able to be honest because there are parts of this nation that simply can not handle the truth like a FUCKING ADULT! When he's been honest, you have all attacked him, left, right, and center! You keep attacking the guy; why should he be honest and open? To a bunch of people that think he's the enemy rather than a fellow US Citizen? I'm not just saying your party is full of shit. I'm giving the evidence that it is full of shit too! The evidence is more damning than my words. Not one of you have refuted the evidence. What are you doing about keeping your own political party honest? Letting them run government into the ground because none of you are mature enough to handle things like adults? Your party is morally, ethically, scientifically, emotional, mentally, and most likely physically, bankrupt! Your party would make a deal with the Devil for more power. And then try to screw that entity with a loophole or fine text 'understandings'. Your party tried that in 1996; and this nation got George W. Bush & Company. Did you NOT learn from the mistakes the first time around to be dumb enough to do it a second time? Does the nation have to pay for your ego bills? A 'currency' no institution in America excepts outside of 'Loony Ville, USA'? All we get from you guys is BULLSHIT. And its stacked up, like LEGO blocks! It just doesn't fit together like LEGO blocks. When it falls over because none of you spent a dime being an engineer; you blame everyone else for your party's failures. You dont like it when the Democrats do it. I can understand that. By...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ALLOW YOUR OWN PARTY TO DO THE SAME SHIT?!?!?!?! Youve yet to refute anything served up to you that refutes your claims. Claims that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the story from your source which was actually a pretty straightforward story about a Congressional hearing...about statements made by both sides...with NOTHING in the story itself offering any shoring up of either side. So what exact proof of the 'rightness' of Planned Parenthood did your source offer? Other than statements made by someone from Planned Parenthood? Actually I did. A few months ago when this story broke out onto national media. I placed the first video and the three hour video links in the OP. At that time, not one of had a half decent counter argument. As observed, you all (dare I say....conspiracy) tried to move the topic away from the OP onto something else ASAP. Now months later, we have a Republican-led panel attacking Planned Parenthood, using the same discredited movies as justification to attack the organization. I asked then as I do now: Why are conservatives 'OK' when their political party lies openly, but not 'OK' when the Democrats are telling the truth? Shouldn't we encourage honesty in Congress? If that is true, then why isn't this organization, 'Center for Medical Progress' being investigated? Its leader(s) dragged before the same panel and asked to testify? Explain their actions of smearing a well known organization with false accusations? You can not even give me a single argument that sounds rational! That's your problem! My evidence is a three hour video. That if watched, shows the PPH executives explaining to the actors the process and ethics involved at every stage of the process. That PPH was investigated. Those doing the investigating did not see any evidence to show PPH or its members were involved in a conspiracy or breakage of the law. In the video of the House panel, there is a Republican from Utah heard accusing PPH of using federal funds to support political groups. The executive from PPH could not get a word in edge wise to explain the process. Because the Republican knew, as did everyone else whom is informed (i.e. not you), that the federal dollars are not used for abortions. In fact, the money PPH gets from the US Government is kept quite separating from abortions and political activities. In other words, PPH is following the laws of the land. The thread I'm mention is still on the forum. The (nearly) Three Hour Video Is Found Here! Your evidence does absolutely nothing to prove your topic HERE or to address the points made above. Talk about not being able to argue your point...no wonder you resort to a wall of jumpsuit. He pushed one of the great fallicies concerning pph and other projects. You give an organization $1 and say you can't use it for x. They take $1 that they would have had to use for y and use it for x. Giving an organization that does something like abortions helps thwm do it either by directly funding the activity, or by freeing funds that would have been used for other things to fund that activity. Funding pph but saying they can't use those marked bills for abortions is a shell game that politicians hide behind and fools people who don't think it through.

thishereboi -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 3:34:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Back to the topic at hand. I always thought that "Politicians = Liars". Yes, I would have to agree with that. Which makes me wonder if our op isn't one. He certainly has the lying part down pat.

Greta75 -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 3:44:04 AM)
Relevant or Irrelevant to this topic, there was this interview on seth myer with the silver fox Anderson Cooper about the difference between interviewing trump and other politicians. He said, other politicians usually comes with a huge entourage and they try to control what you can ask or cannot ask and really limits your time in the interview and also limits the content of your interview, whereas, Trump just turns up alone, surprisingly, doesn't tell you what you can or cannot ask him, and he just answers anything. What I would ask is, why aren't more politicians like Trump in interviews!?? If they got nothing to hide, they should just not limit content. I think there is nothing worst than censored interviews from politicians that, is all we have been receiving from both ends. So is it really ONLY republican politicians who are liars? Still waiting for Hillary to be as Gung Ho with interviews as Trump. And stop putting herself infront of easy interviewers.

Lucylastic -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 4:03:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The headline at your Huffpo link reads: Judge Reminds Anti-Abortion Corporation It Is Not A Person... But a Slate headline about the Hobby Lobby case reads... Yes, Corporations Are People... And at Bainbridge's law blog there is a piece titled: The Corporation is a Legal Person. Get Over It. Does anyone know where this hair is split? K Maybe its because THIS particular "corporation is being investigated for NAF alleging civil conspiracy, racketeering, fraud, and breach of contract, among other civil and criminal allegations, stemming from the release of video footage deceptively edited to suggest that NAF members, including Planned Parenthood, are engaged in illegal trafficking of fetal baby parts. NAF also sought a temporary restraining order blocking any further release of the attack videos. Orrick issued the temporary restraining order, and ordered expedited discovery so that the National Abortion Federation could gather evidence to support its effort to obtain a preliminary injunction blocking CMP and Daleiden from releasing additional footage or other materials that NAF alleges the anti-choice front group fraudulently acquired. CMP and Daleiden used false identification cards to infiltrate NAF’s annual meetings in 2014 and 2015, according to NAF. All defendants in the case, including the corporate defendants, informed the court last month that they planned to plead the Fifth Amendment in response to all of NAF’s discovery requests in order to avoid making any self-incriminatory statements. No court in the country has ever permitted a corporation to plead the Fifth Amendment.

bounty44 -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 4:16:42 AM)
hey comrade bird brain---exactly what part of the videos saying (essentially)---"this is the procedure we use to kill the baby but preserve the organs" and "we'll sell them to you for this much" is "heavily edited" such that what it's portraying is untrue? what again exactly is "the lie?" do you have an ounce of intellectual integrity in you? and another question while im here---if the "thing" being killed isn't a little live being, just what is it? you somehow think the moral outrage here is on the side of your fantasy of republicans "lying"---which misses the point that youre a morally despicable supporter of baby killing. please also explain why taxpayers should be helping to fund abortions?

Lucylastic -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 4:32:43 AM)
ANother blatant liar at the hearing yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM As the accompanying video shows, the Utah Republican put a chart on display, purporting to show that over the last decade, the number of prevention services provided by the health care group has steadily declined, while the number of abortions has steadily increased. Part of the problem, as MSNBC’s Zack Roth reported, is that the information in the chart is misleading [Update: this is what the chart would have looked like if it were honest]. But nearly as important is the fact the congressman presenting the image as devastating evidence simply didn’t know what he was talking about. When Richards said she’d never seen it before, Chaffetz replied: “It comes straight from your annual reports.” Moments later, Richards shot back: “My lawyers just informed me that the source of this information is Americans United for Life, an anti-abortion group. I would check your source.” Oops.

Greta75 -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:20:47 AM)
Planned Parenthood is an issue that seriously confuses me. Thanks to Carly Fiorina who painted it like the trade of intentional sale of aborted fetuses. But I think what should happen is, no sale of fetuses should be allowed, period, or parts of fetuses, but the mother can voluntarily donate her aborted fetus to research or whatever. It's the same as like, if I die, I can choose to donate my organs right? Except since a fetus is a minor, so the mom makes the decision on his or her remains. But the whole issue is the whole disagreement on how precious the fetus life should be. And to me, I think most normal women would want their baby if they choose to get pregnant. Only a minority are reckless and idiots getting knocked up with unwanted babies. But those, I really don't want those babies to be born to such screw up moms. I think not having life is kinder to them. Allowing them to live is cruel.

DerangedUnit -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:28:58 AM)
Personally I love planned parenthood, they were the only doctor that would give me an iud having never been pregnant and having a clotting risk(because I was always covered in bruises) ....last month, after recently putting down an address when applying for school, they sent me a check... only doctor to save me from having to stab myself with a coat hanger and years later they give me my money back. They can do whatever they want with fetuses in my book.

Greta75 -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:32:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit Personally I love planned parenthood, they were the only doctor that would give me an iud having never been pregnant and having a clotting risk(because I was always covered in bruises) I am generally on cons camp for most things. But when it comes to abortion, I really wish they would put more efforts into helping unwanted babies who were born. There is no point going after people and preventing them from stopping birth. It's like, these people who wants their baby dead are HORRIBLE parents! Personally, I find it horrifying for the child to be allowed to be born in such circumstances and a whole group of people making sure they will end up in such a life of hell. Like Why??? Go adopt more unwanted kids! That's much better! That would genuinely be saving a life. I would love to see a headline that says, "Republicans adopts more homeless kids than Democrats!" That be fantastic! So instead of blocking women who are already probably an evil parent, because she hates her baby enough to want to get rid of it, from killing her own baby, they should focus on saving all the babies that are already born and rescue them from their evil mom. More like, "Don't abort, give the child to us!"

Lucylastic -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:40:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit Personally I love planned parenthood, they were the only doctor that would give me an iud having never been pregnant and having a clotting risk(because I was always covered in bruises) ....last month, after recently putting down an address when applying for school, they sent me a check... only doctor to save me from having to stab myself with a coat hanger and years later they give me my money back. They can do whatever they want with fetuses in my book. I havent used PP. But an english version. We have PP here and I support it, and so does my daughter. Without them, and their services, a lot more people would be sicker or overwhelmed with kids, stds, and so many many other things. myself included. And thousands of women that fall thru the cracks at some point in their lives.

DerangedUnit -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:44:39 AM)
I grew up in a horrible place. My mother never should have had me, she did because religion told her she had to. So I was raised by a woman who hated me because her husband thought I was prettier than her. The same thing happened to her as a kid and her mother before her and not one of them had the will to say no more. I wont let this happen to my child.... they were all too selfish and scared. I would rather be considered evil for killing a baby than know I was weak enough to let it continue. People who make a stupid mistake and get pregnant in highschool and have an abortion so they can farther their career and schooling, I think that is selfish and wrong. But the government saying they are capable of making a blanket decision about the motive a person might have for making a life changing choice.... it's fanciful thinking by people who havent had to experience the alternative.

Greta75 -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 6:55:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit I grew up in a horrible place. My mother never should have had me, she did because religion told her she had to. Yea, same background. My mom couldn't abort me thanks to her stupid religion. She literally told me the only reason she didn't abort me was because she was afraid she'll go to hell. But of course, she spent the rest of her life hating me and blaming me for everything that is wrong in her life and using me as her punching bag. While some unaborted kids turn out okay, but the volume of that happen is RARE, unless somebody volunteers to take unwanted kids in and give them a good and healthy upbringing. Then I say, sure, let's ban abortion.

joether -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 8:24:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether It is sad when conservatives really can not come to terms with their own political party and philosophy. I understand that DENIAL is the first of five steps; but please guys, your in year seven of this denial of reality. The Republican party is in total shambles. Your best candidate for the Oval Office is a guy that can not answer a reasonable question with at least a semi-intelligent answer. You say you want good government, then do EVERYTHING to undermine that effort. So here you are attacking me, rather than looking at your own politics like rational adults. You can not make even a half decent argument justifying the words and actions of your own party and STILL think you have any credibility at the end of it. You demand the President to be honest and open on things, right? I'm in favor of that to. He's not been able to be honest because there are parts of this nation that simply can not handle the truth like a FUCKING ADULT! When he's been honest, you have all attacked him, left, right, and center! You keep attacking the guy; why should he be honest and open? To a bunch of people that think he's the enemy rather than a fellow US Citizen? I'm not just saying your party is full of shit. I'm giving the evidence that it is full of shit too! The evidence is more damning than my words. Not one of you have refuted the evidence. What are you doing about keeping your own political party honest? Letting them run government into the ground because none of you are mature enough to handle things like adults? Your party is morally, ethically, scientifically, emotional, mentally, and most likely physically, bankrupt! Your party would make a deal with the Devil for more power. And then try to screw that entity with a loophole or fine text 'understandings'. Your party tried that in 1996; and this nation got George W. Bush & Company. Did you NOT learn from the mistakes the first time around to be dumb enough to do it a second time? Does the nation have to pay for your ego bills? A 'currency' no institution in America excepts outside of 'Loony Ville, USA'? All we get from you guys is BULLSHIT. And its stacked up, like LEGO blocks! It just doesn't fit together like LEGO blocks. When it falls over because none of you spent a dime being an engineer; you blame everyone else for your party's failures. You dont like it when the Democrats do it. I can understand that. By...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ALLOW YOUR OWN PARTY TO DO THE SAME SHIT?!?!?!?! Youve yet to refute anything served up to you that refutes your claims. Claims that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the story from your source which was actually a pretty straightforward story about a Congressional hearing...about statements made by both sides...with NOTHING in the story itself offering any shoring up of either side. So what exact proof of the 'rightness' of Planned Parenthood did your source offer? Other than statements made by someone from Planned Parenthood? Actually I did. A few months ago when this story broke out onto national media. I placed the first video and the three hour video links in the OP. At that time, not one of had a half decent counter argument. As observed, you all (dare I say....conspiracy) tried to move the topic away from the OP onto something else ASAP. Now months later, we have a Republican-led panel attacking Planned Parenthood, using the same discredited movies as justification to attack the organization. I asked then as I do now: Why are conservatives 'OK' when their political party lies openly, but not 'OK' when the Democrats are telling the truth? Shouldn't we encourage honesty in Congress? If that is true, then why isn't this organization, 'Center for Medical Progress' being investigated? Its leader(s) dragged before the same panel and asked to testify? Explain their actions of smearing a well known organization with false accusations? You can not even give me a single argument that sounds rational! That's your problem! My evidence is a three hour video. That if watched, shows the PPH executives explaining to the actors the process and ethics involved at every stage of the process. That PPH was investigated. Those doing the investigating did not see any evidence to show PPH or its members were involved in a conspiracy or breakage of the law. In the video of the House panel, there is a Republican from Utah heard accusing PPH of using federal funds to support political groups. The executive from PPH could not get a word in edge wise to explain the process. Because the Republican knew, as did everyone else whom is informed (i.e. not you), that the federal dollars are not used for abortions. In fact, the money PPH gets from the US Government is kept quite separating from abortions and political activities. In other words, PPH is following the laws of the land. The thread I'm mention is still on the forum. The (nearly) Three Hour Video Is Found Here! Your evidence does absolutely nothing to prove your topic HERE or to address the points made above. Talk about not being able to argue your point...no wonder you resort to a wall of jumpsuit. BULL...and....SHIT. Your party LIES often enough that its taken as truth by conservative media. You can not refute not even one of my arguments. That tells me that you do not have anything in the way of a counter argument. Your 'current' argument is a weak and feeble attempt to discredit me. That's right, attack the messager not the message. I posted a nearly three hour video, of which a conservative organization, Center for Medical Progress used to create a series of videos. All of these videos are heavily editted propaganda videos meant to show Planned Parenthood not only violates laws but does so 'for profit'. The truthful video shows quite the opposite. Yet, conservative media and the GOP/TP have been attacking Planned Parenthood over the hacked videos. The lie is bold face and in the open, yet, your political party seeks to attack an organization using lies, because facts and truth are not on their side. If Democrats were to do this, I would be quite annoyed. Enough to bitch about it. Yet, you and others are seemingly 'OK' that Republicans are lying to score points with their base. When government is lying, isn't it up to the people to improve matters? So if its not 'OK' for Democrats to behave as tyrants, is it 'OK' for Republicans and the Tea Party?

joether -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 8:27:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether It is sad when conservatives really can not come to terms with their own political party and philosophy. I understand that DENIAL is the first of five steps; but please guys, your in year seven of this denial of reality. The Republican party is in total shambles. Your best candidate for the Oval Office is a guy that can not answer a reasonable question with at least a semi-intelligent answer. You say you want good government, then do EVERYTHING to undermine that effort. So here you are attacking me, rather than looking at your own politics like rational adults. You can not make even a half decent argument justifying the words and actions of your own party and STILL think you have any credibility at the end of it. You demand the President to be honest and open on things, right? I'm in favor of that to. He's not been able to be honest because there are parts of this nation that simply can not handle the truth like a FUCKING ADULT! When he's been honest, you have all attacked him, left, right, and center! You keep attacking the guy; why should he be honest and open? To a bunch of people that think he's the enemy rather than a fellow US Citizen? I'm not just saying your party is full of shit. I'm giving the evidence that it is full of shit too! The evidence is more damning than my words. Not one of you have refuted the evidence. What are you doing about keeping your own political party honest? Letting them run government into the ground because none of you are mature enough to handle things like adults? Your party is morally, ethically, scientifically, emotional, mentally, and most likely physically, bankrupt! Your party would make a deal with the Devil for more power. And then try to screw that entity with a loophole or fine text 'understandings'. Your party tried that in 1996; and this nation got George W. Bush & Company. Did you NOT learn from the mistakes the first time around to be dumb enough to do it a second time? Does the nation have to pay for your ego bills? A 'currency' no institution in America excepts outside of 'Loony Ville, USA'? All we get from you guys is BULLSHIT. And its stacked up, like LEGO blocks! It just doesn't fit together like LEGO blocks. When it falls over because none of you spent a dime being an engineer; you blame everyone else for your party's failures. You dont like it when the Democrats do it. I can understand that. By...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ALLOW YOUR OWN PARTY TO DO THE SAME SHIT?!?!?!?! Youve yet to refute anything served up to you that refutes your claims. Claims that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the story from your source which was actually a pretty straightforward story about a Congressional hearing...about statements made by both sides...with NOTHING in the story itself offering any shoring up of either side. So what exact proof of the 'rightness' of Planned Parenthood did your source offer? Other than statements made by someone from Planned Parenthood? Actually I did. A few months ago when this story broke out onto national media. I placed the first video and the three hour video links in the OP. At that time, not one of had a half decent counter argument. As observed, you all (dare I say....conspiracy) tried to move the topic away from the OP onto something else ASAP. Now months later, we have a Republican-led panel attacking Planned Parenthood, using the same discredited movies as justification to attack the organization. I asked then as I do now: Why are conservatives 'OK' when their political party lies openly, but not 'OK' when the Democrats are telling the truth? Shouldn't we encourage honesty in Congress? If that is true, then why isn't this organization, 'Center for Medical Progress' being investigated? Its leader(s) dragged before the same panel and asked to testify? Explain their actions of smearing a well known organization with false accusations? You can not even give me a single argument that sounds rational! That's your problem! My evidence is a three hour video. That if watched, shows the PPH executives explaining to the actors the process and ethics involved at every stage of the process. That PPH was investigated. Those doing the investigating did not see any evidence to show PPH or its members were involved in a conspiracy or breakage of the law. In the video of the House panel, there is a Republican from Utah heard accusing PPH of using federal funds to support political groups. The executive from PPH could not get a word in edge wise to explain the process. Because the Republican knew, as did everyone else whom is informed (i.e. not you), that the federal dollars are not used for abortions. In fact, the money PPH gets from the US Government is kept quite separating from abortions and political activities. In other words, PPH is following the laws of the land. The thread I'm mention is still on the forum. The (nearly) Three Hour Video Is Found Here! Your evidence does absolutely nothing to prove your topic HERE or to address the points made above. Talk about not being able to argue your point...no wonder you resort to a wall of jumpsuit. He pushed one of the great fallicies concerning pph and other projects. You give an organization $1 and say you can't use it for x. They take $1 that they would have had to use for y and use it for x. Giving an organization that does something like abortions helps thwm do it either by directly funding the activity, or by freeing funds that would have been used for other things to fund that activity. Funding pph but saying they can't use those marked bills for abortions is a shell game that politicians hide behind and fools people who don't think it through. PROVE that Planned Parenthood did this? That's your problem BamaD, you have....NO PROOF. You have...NO EVIDENCE. You can tell all the lies you want, because it serves your political viewpoint. Just allows Democrats to lie when it serves there viewpoint. Don't like it when Democrats do it, right? But 'OK' when Republicans do it apparently. Planned Parenthood keeps the money from the federal government separate from other moneys on their books. They have very good accounting books that are monitored. Can you say the same for all the conservative superpacs in the nation?

BamaD -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 8:52:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: joether It is sad when conservatives really can not come to terms with their own political party and philosophy. I understand that DENIAL is the first of five steps; but please guys, your in year seven of this denial of reality. The Republican party is in total shambles. Your best candidate for the Oval Office is a guy that can not answer a reasonable question with at least a semi-intelligent answer. You say you want good government, then do EVERYTHING to undermine that effort. So here you are attacking me, rather than looking at your own politics like rational adults. You can not make even a half decent argument justifying the words and actions of your own party and STILL think you have any credibility at the end of it. You demand the President to be honest and open on things, right? I'm in favor of that to. He's not been able to be honest because there are parts of this nation that simply can not handle the truth like a FUCKING ADULT! When he's been honest, you have all attacked him, left, right, and center! You keep attacking the guy; why should he be honest and open? To a bunch of people that think he's the enemy rather than a fellow US Citizen? I'm not just saying your party is full of shit. I'm giving the evidence that it is full of shit too! The evidence is more damning than my words. Not one of you have refuted the evidence. What are you doing about keeping your own political party honest? Letting them run government into the ground because none of you are mature enough to handle things like adults? Your party is morally, ethically, scientifically, emotional, mentally, and most likely physically, bankrupt! Your party would make a deal with the Devil for more power. And then try to screw that entity with a loophole or fine text 'understandings'. Your party tried that in 1996; and this nation got George W. Bush & Company. Did you NOT learn from the mistakes the first time around to be dumb enough to do it a second time? Does the nation have to pay for your ego bills? A 'currency' no institution in America excepts outside of 'Loony Ville, USA'? All we get from you guys is BULLSHIT. And its stacked up, like LEGO blocks! It just doesn't fit together like LEGO blocks. When it falls over because none of you spent a dime being an engineer; you blame everyone else for your party's failures. You dont like it when the Democrats do it. I can understand that. By...WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ALLOW YOUR OWN PARTY TO DO THE SAME SHIT?!?!?!?! Youve yet to refute anything served up to you that refutes your claims. Claims that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the story from your source which was actually a pretty straightforward story about a Congressional hearing...about statements made by both sides...with NOTHING in the story itself offering any shoring up of either side. So what exact proof of the 'rightness' of Planned Parenthood did your source offer? Other than statements made by someone from Planned Parenthood? Actually I did. A few months ago when this story broke out onto national media. I placed the first video and the three hour video links in the OP. At that time, not one of had a half decent counter argument. As observed, you all (dare I say....conspiracy) tried to move the topic away from the OP onto something else ASAP. Now months later, we have a Republican-led panel attacking Planned Parenthood, using the same discredited movies as justification to attack the organization. I asked then as I do now: Why are conservatives 'OK' when their political party lies openly, but not 'OK' when the Democrats are telling the truth? Shouldn't we encourage honesty in Congress? If that is true, then why isn't this organization, 'Center for Medical Progress' being investigated? Its leader(s) dragged before the same panel and asked to testify? Explain their actions of smearing a well known organization with false accusations? You can not even give me a single argument that sounds rational! That's your problem! My evidence is a three hour video. That if watched, shows the PPH executives explaining to the actors the process and ethics involved at every stage of the process. That PPH was investigated. Those doing the investigating did not see any evidence to show PPH or its members were involved in a conspiracy or breakage of the law. In the video of the House panel, there is a Republican from Utah heard accusing PPH of using federal funds to support political groups. The executive from PPH could not get a word in edge wise to explain the process. Because the Republican knew, as did everyone else whom is informed (i.e. not you), that the federal dollars are not used for abortions. In fact, the money PPH gets from the US Government is kept quite separating from abortions and political activities. In other words, PPH is following the laws of the land. The thread I'm mention is still on the forum. The (nearly) Three Hour Video Is Found Here! Your evidence does absolutely nothing to prove your topic HERE or to address the points made above. Talk about not being able to argue your point...no wonder you resort to a wall of jumpsuit. He pushed one of the great fallicies concerning pph and other projects. You give an organization $1 and say you can't use it for x. They take $1 that they would have had to use for y and use it for x. Giving an organization that does something like abortions helps thwm do it either by directly funding the activity, or by freeing funds that would have been used for other things to fund that activity. Funding pph but saying they can't use those marked bills for abortions is a shell game that politicians hide behind and fools people who don't think it through. PROVE that Planned Parenthood did this? That's your problem BamaD, you have....NO PROOF. You have...NO EVIDENCE. You can tell all the lies you want, because it serves your political viewpoint. Just allows Democrats to lie when it serves there viewpoint. Don't like it when Democrats do it, right? But 'OK' when Republicans do it apparently. Planned Parenthood keeps the money from the federal government separate from other moneys on their books. They have very good accounting books that are monitored. Can you say the same for all the conservative superpacs in the nation? Come on Joe, If the government foots the bill for their non abortions "services" that clearly means that the money they would have had to use for those things is avaliable for abortions. It doesn't require a paper trail to do it but anyone with a brain can see that this is the truth. For example the city government is short on money. The Feds give them x millions of dollars with the provision they can't buy weapons with that money. The city says fine, and spend the money buying new police cars. Then they take the money they would have spent on cars and buy weapons. Simple and obvious PPH isn't the only one who does this. Anything the Feds finaces opens up money for other things. It isn't illegal, never said it was. It provides political cover and it is even possible that the members of Congess tell themselves they aren't helping to fund things their voters wouldn't like.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 9:14:21 AM)
Joether: I posted a nearly three hour video, of which a conservative organization, Center for Medical Progress used to create a series of videos. All of these videos are heavily editted propaganda videos meant to show Planned Parenthood not only violates laws but does so 'for profit'. The truthful video shows quite the opposite. Yet, conservative media and the GOP/TP have been attacking Planned Parenthood over the hacked videos. The lie is bold face and in the open, yet, your political party seeks to attack an organization using lies, because facts and truth are not on their side. Me: How many times do you have to be shown the conclusion of the group HIRED by Planned Parenthood? Since the group was HIRED by Planned Parenthood, I would think you do not believe THEIR conclusion was a lie, do you? *While the report, which contains multiple errors, set out to delegitimize CMP’s video evidence, it only provides evidence of the opposite: the report admits that “This analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation” and that it “shows NO evidence of audio manipulation.”***** You keep talking about refuting your claims and yet, every single time someone...me or anybody else...you come back with another wall of text that denies everything, claims weak arguments, deflection, etc. Yet, you never come up with anything against the arguments, except to say "bullshit". You do know that the full videos were online for quite awhile, right? May still be unless these court proceedings have resulted in even the full ones being pulled.

mnottertail -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (9/30/2015 10:31:06 AM)
But lets say the whole fuck-o-ree is true (which it cannot possibly be) where is the rage against the hypocrisy of the republican party who get big donations from these fetal tissue dealers? Or Mitch who voted for sales of fetal tissues, or Dr. "Death" Carson who is up to his neck in the butchered parts of live birth babies? http://www.ascb.org/newsfiles/fetaltissue.pdf Oh, the hypocrisy of the rightwing funding NIH https://olpa.od.nih.gov/legislation/107/pendinglegislation/doubledec.asp Look at the sponsors, they are a regular death panel out there. LOL.

joether -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (10/1/2015 5:08:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Joether: I posted a nearly three hour video, of which a conservative organization, Center for Medical Progress used to create a series of videos. All of these videos are heavily editted propaganda videos meant to show Planned Parenthood not only violates laws but does so 'for profit'. The truthful video shows quite the opposite. Yet, conservative media and the GOP/TP have been attacking Planned Parenthood over the hacked videos. The lie is bold face and in the open, yet, your political party seeks to attack an organization using lies, because facts and truth are not on their side. Me: How many times do you have to be shown the conclusion of the group HIRED by Planned Parenthood? Since the group was HIRED by Planned Parenthood, I would think you do not believe THEIR conclusion was a lie, do you? The group HIRED was by the Center for Medical Progress. Their job was to find information that places Planned Parenthood in as awkward a political position as possible. Thereby allowing Republicans an easy time to remove the funding and score easy and cheap political points with their voters. Because up to that point, they really hadn't done much to justify keeping them in Congress. Why would Planned Parenthood hire people to attack their own people out in the open? That doesn't even make logical sense. But that's YOUR ARGUMENT! quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant *While the report, which contains multiple errors, set out to delegitimize CMP’s video evidence, it only provides evidence of the opposite: the report admits that “This analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation” and that it “shows NO evidence of audio manipulation.”***** Anyone that watches the hacked videos can spot the poor editing jobs. Did you watch the three hour video? No of course not. That would be intelligent on your end in making an argument. Since one would tell where the hack videos were FULL OF SHIT. Anyone whom says those videos are 'legit' shouldn't be trusted with anything important or sensitive. quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant You keep talking about refuting your claims and yet, every single time someone...me or anybody else...you come back with another wall of text that denies everything, claims weak arguments, deflection, etc. Yet, you never come up with anything against the arguments, except to say "bullshit". No, you are not refuting or counter arguing. Your trying to walk the issue away. That way you dont have to admit that your political party.... LIES You didn't learn it with Benghazi either. In that issue and the one for PPH, the Republican Party lied to make an argument. When people pointed out the....FACTS....the Republican Party lost credibility with every group of Americans except one: Low Information conservative voters. This group would rather accept a lie, because it might help them get more power. Would you...REALLY...want someone that lies to obtain power in government? quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant You do know that the full videos were online for quite awhile, right? May still be unless these court proceedings have resulted in even the full ones being pulled. I think I was the one that originally pointed out that the videos were online and in the open for months before the GOP/TP tried to attack PPH. Why didn't they take it up then? They were still in the process of finding ....something....anything... that shows Hillary was guilty of Benghazi. In fact, I pointed out that several legal groups checked the information to see if any laws were broken. None where. So why the 'investigation' by the Republican/Tea Party? Why attack an organization that does good things for US Citizens? An organization that understands it has to account for every federal dollars that goes through their systems? Because it was petty politics. All lies and no substance! The GOP/TP has even threaten shutting down the whole of the nation, so they wouldn't have to admit they lied. You want to dodge and evade that your party does not have one useful virtue left from its 'Family Values' campaign so many years ago. To be a conservative it seems one has to believe total lies as facts....

Lucylastic -> RE: Liars = Republican Party (10/1/2015 5:46:07 AM)
Even when they tell the truth it shows them for what they really are about:) Kevin McCarthy’s truthful gaffe on Benghazi https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kevin-mccarthys-truthful-gaffe/2015/09/30/f12a9fac-67a8-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html So now we know: One of the principal reasons Republicans spent so much public money investigating the tragic Benghazi episode was to bring down Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers. Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the likely successor to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), told Fox News’s Sean Hannity explicitly on Tuesday night that the Clinton investigation was part of a “strategy to fight and win.” E.J. Dionne writes about politics in a twice-weekly column and on the PostPartisan blog. He is also a senior fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution, a government professor at Georgetown University and a frequent commentator on politics for National Public Radio, ABC’s “This Week” and NBC’s “Meet the Press.” View Archive Facebook RSS He explained: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.” The Republican-led House hasn’t been particularly good at governing, but perhaps governing has never been the point. Why govern when there’s a future election to influence? No doubt Republicans will clean up after McCarthy’s comments by insisting that the politics were a side benefit from a necessary investigation. But it would be nice to know more about the House GOP’s internal deliberations as it launched one inquiry into Clinton after another. Did we need another investigation by the select committee headed by Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.)? After all, a two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee cleared the military and the CIA of improper behavior in response to the 2012 attack on the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. Taxpayers might be interested in learning whether their hard-earned money — sorry, I could not resist invoking that favorite GOP cliche — was going out the door primarily to affect the chances of one particular candidate for president. How much? Rob Garver of the Fiscal Times has estimated that the select committee “will likely spend some $6 million by next year.” McCarthy’s statement does not make Clinton’s problems disappear miraculously. She has suffered damage, some of it self-inflicted, from using a private e-mail server during her time at the State Department. Clinton herself has acknowledged that she should have used a government server. Almost no one in her own party believes that she handled the ensuing controversy particularly well. She has recalibrated her response in recent weeks, accepting that she has to answer the questions and meet the challenges thrown her way from journalists and political foes alike.

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