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J0K3ER -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/13/2015 2:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: notaBULL quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 you literally talk about the absolute slavery in its original form and meaning, that kind of slavery that does not exist anymore nowadays,occurred as a result to specific conditions that made the existence of slavery vital to ancient communities. the slave market was not more than a commercial activity, making money through selling slaves, putting them to labor for no wage, etc... were the main reasons that slavery existed, Ben Hur , was chained to his seat in a chip, Ganicus fought to death in the Arena, what pleasure could you derive from being a slave of this category, moreover you dont associate slavery with sex and if mistress asks you for sex you'd run in the other direction,. you cant run if you were asked by mistress to do some thing, you have no way around it,. BDSM as defined is an interpersonal dynamic with a wide range of practices, interests also vary and differ from one individual to another, here where self identificaion comes to handy, I may be allergic to leather but i definitely crave to lick a knee high boot. I am not trying to steer away from the course of the discussion, it is just you cannot discuss a matter in exclusion of other matters related to it. Huh ! Holy smoke ! you seen Goddess? lucky you however this should put me ahead of you in the list, I have never doubted in Goddess , you did, I have never challenged her, you did,and today you are telling me she is a beautiful Goddess, I know that thanx tho. Yes there is pleasure in absolute slavery, but you guys still did not answer how the Hegelian Dialectic fits into this Hi notaBULL and welcome back bro, to answer your question in a very honest way and not being sarcastic, it is been very very long time since I substituted the book FOR the steering wheel. but I may sneak a peak if time allows it. shoot ! this is confusing. do we say substitute X for Y or substitute X with Y

notaBULL -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/14/2015 4:46:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: J0K3ER quote: ORIGINAL: notaBULL quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 you literally talk about the absolute slavery in its original form and meaning, that kind of slavery that does not exist anymore nowadays,occurred as a result to specific conditions that made the existence of slavery vital to ancient communities. the slave market was not more than a commercial activity, making money through selling slaves, putting them to labor for no wage, etc... were the main reasons that slavery existed, Ben Hur , was chained to his seat in a chip, Ganicus fought to death in the Arena, what pleasure could you derive from being a slave of this category, moreover you dont associate slavery with sex and if mistress asks you for sex you'd run in the other direction,. you cant run if you were asked by mistress to do some thing, you have no way around it,. BDSM as defined is an interpersonal dynamic with a wide range of practices, interests also vary and differ from one individual to another, here where self identificaion comes to handy, I may be allergic to leather but i definitely crave to lick a knee high boot. I am not trying to steer away from the course of the discussion, it is just you cannot discuss a matter in exclusion of other matters related to it. Huh ! Holy smoke ! you seen Goddess? lucky you however this should put me ahead of you in the list, I have never doubted in Goddess , you did, I have never challenged her, you did,and today you are telling me she is a beautiful Goddess, I know that thanx tho. Yes there is pleasure in absolute slavery, but you guys still did not answer how the Hegelian Dialectic fits into this Hi notaBULL and welcome back bro, to answer your question in a very honest way and not being sarcastic, it is been very very long time since I substituted the book FOR the steering wheel. but I may sneak a peak if time allows it. shoot ! this is confusing. do we say substitute X for Y or substitute X with Y Ok! Since no user seems to want to answer my question, here is how the Hegelian Dialectic fits into this thread. As I stated earlier, I do not understand kinksters who keep entertaining fantasies of slavery and then right before being collared, they lay down their list of limits with the most common one being: (no I will not give my money or tribute) Now we all understand here that slave owners are not idiots and real slave owners would not prevent slaves from being productive because the slaves are the ones bringing home the bacon. With that said, there is no need for limits if the main goal is the right goal (which is income earning.) Now if the owners are psychos, lost and blind and so much dipped into perversion that they even change the definition of slavery, then yes, Ok, you will need a list of limits like the following: (No I do not abuse children, I do not fuck animals, or whatever nonsense perverted souls may think of.) Ok, so how does the Hegelian Dialectic fit into this? Well, we should all know by now that up until The North and South war, slavery could be linked to the oldest civilizations, specifically the Sumerians. Well, the oldest is really ROMANIA Tartaria, but we will not go into that here. Hence we learn from ancient scriptures that the ruling class always depended on slavery to maintain their status, or in other words, to swim in wealth. There is no point debating this, the greatest minds in the world have studied this and laid it down. Marx, Lenin, Plato... And I am quite sure there is no Plato on here right now. Ok, so now we know that the ruling class needs slaves to party in high class settings. But as we have see throughout this thread, some people just do not want to be slaves. Oh! They love to role play, but when it comes to working 16 hours a day under ground for a Master, they will rebel. No Problem. The ruling class has seen it all. So they already know that there are individuals who are simply born to be slaves and those are in a sense, responsible for creating traffic to this site. Aristotle mentioned the NATURAL BORN SLAVES. So to make a long story short, The all seeing eye on the top of the pyramid which appears on the American Dollar means that everyone is watched (just like in the book 1984) and everyone is separated in categories. Those who want to be slaves are allowed to do so, then from the weakest to the most rebel, tactics are applied to break them. So when I stated earlier that General Douglas MacArthur probably thought he was Master of the world, he was in fact only a puppet of those who were using the Hegelian Dialectic against him, or in other words, using him as alpha to bring into submission those who still displayed signs of rebellion. So the point here is this: Whether you want to be slaves or not and whether you want to associate slavery to role play, it does not matter. There is someone at the top of the pyramid who will make sure you are a slave, Al Capone learned that lesson the hard way. And the person at the top of the pyramid wants cash to build pyramids, not someone on his knees who screams OINK OINK over and out.

alpha499 -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/14/2015 5:40:32 PM)
Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?. I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me. once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes. check mate in : Indefinite

notaBULL -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/15/2015 10:55:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?. I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me. once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes. check mate in : Indefinite Stop paying your taxes and you will see what I mean. Al Capone went to prison for that. You are a slave because you are forced to pay for stuff you do not want to pay for whether you like or not. With the money you are forced to give away, the leaders of the country buy more muscle to enslave the population even more. Of course, the Pope is the only one who can really call himself a Master on earth, because the Church pays no taxes. But you can be a pawn in the church or the leader of the church and this makes a big difference. If you saw the movie THE MATRIX then you should know what I mean. Now in the Gospel, there is a reference to taxes, someone was sent to Jesus and asked him if it was alright to pay taxes To the Roman Emperor, but Jesus answered in a cunning fashion. This reference was only added to point out this forced state of slavery everyone is in. Of course one could decide to become a Napoleon and raise an army strong enough to defeat this power, then one could really call himself a Master, but then again, how many Napoleons are born? It takes very special military, political, psychological skills to pull that off. And anyway, the book 1984, describes a time when the ruling class have learned from the past. Now we have systems in space that allows the CIA to listen to your conversation in the middle of the Sahara Desert, so little rebels have very tiny chances to true freedom anyways. My conclusion: The true definition of slavery remains intact. Nobody can change it unless he is willing to become a Napoleon. Slavery is about money, not OINK OINKs. Whether you like it or not, someone will be sent to your home to collect your money (taxes). Now with that being said, slaves do have the power, by teaming up and giving the rest of their money to a Goddess, to give her a certain Sovereignty. She will still be forced to pay taxes, but in reality, she will not. Because her slaves agree to pay everything for her. Over and out

slavemali -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/17/2015 8:39:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alpha299 Ok, let's make things clear here, a bank account has nothing to do with BDSM in general. Also a bank account is not required to enter in a D/s relationship, or even a FLR, many dominant women out there who are not in need for your money, all they need is submission ,and control . Like you need domination. And control. It is a complementary relationship, none is better than the other, Another important thing is a woman dragging a man on a leash does not ALWAYS mean domination if that decision was made by the man, submission starts in the brain and it is unplanned , cause it is some thing you lose the second you plan it . So true domination and submission it a gift given to very very very small number of people on this planet, it codes and signals you can feel it some times from strange people like talking about the weather ,in my opinion if my bank account is involved , there's a potential findom crap. If your mistress asks you to buy her a gift , she is then a redneck not a mistress, a good mistress knows which button to push so you would act accordingly, buy a gift or walk the dog. umm like this reply thank you alpha299, BDSM at least what we engage in controlled by laws such as criminal and civil.... your only a slave to the degree of your sincerity you give to the relationship, if only because if your engaged in a true form of slavery, than your Dominant is going to get arrested.

slavemali -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/17/2015 8:43:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?. I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me. once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes. check mate in : Indefinite Well alpha499, is "God" giving out realtime whippings and orgasm control, while throwing a party were his "slave" can be displayed for the Dominants pleasure and sign of social status.... which God offers this? I am still looking for that "God"...lol

slavemali -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/17/2015 9:04:14 AM)
you said this: "So the point here is this: Whether you want to be slaves or not and whether you want to associate slavery to role play, it does not matter. There is someone at the top of the pyramid who will make sure you are a slave, Al Capone learned that lesson the hard way. And the person at the top of the pyramid wants cash to build pyramids, not someone on his knees who screams OINK OINK over and out. " it is all apples and oranges and simply not possible to compare...

J0K3ER -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/18/2015 1:31:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: notaBULL quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 Man!, or should i say, slave!: in my very low posting standard i am gonna tell you you are mixing things up, in your assessment everybody is a slave, and the chain of command system is another aspect of slavery, i may agree with you here if you agree that you, in all the examples you provided there was indication to an " indirect" slavery. therefore, indirect slavery in its both particular and general concepts it NOT identical to the kind of slavery you are herein talking about. Lets be sarcastic a little , i like sarcasm, you were saying you call your self a master, and you sit on your big ass, and i go to work for you? ! seriously? why would I do that? Since i can work and provide then I am Independent.what are you as a master giving me in return, remember it is always a give and take relationship.like aa kiss, you give it at the same time you receive it, so, on whom the word thanks was due?. I rather be safe telling you I am slave to the LAW or Legislation, I am no body's slave since nobody has laid claim on me. once again i am telling you, you are talking about a delusional kind of slavery, why just dont worship God, be a slave to God, the perfect, the deserving master, cause you gonna end up in great disappointment in Dommes. check mate in : Indefinite Stop paying your taxes and you will see what I mean. Al Capone went to prison for that. You are a slave because you are forced to pay for stuff you do not want to pay for whether you like or not. With the money you are forced to give away, the leaders of the country buy more muscle to enslave the population even more. Of course, the Pope is the only one who can really call himself a Master on earth, because the Church pays no taxes. But you can be a pawn in the church or the leader of the church and this makes a big difference. If you saw the movie THE MATRIX then you should know what I mean. Now in the Gospel, there is a reference to taxes, someone was sent to Jesus and asked him if it was alright to pay taxes To the Roman Emperor, but Jesus answered in a cunning fashion. This reference was only added to point out this forced state of slavery everyone is in. Of course one could decide to become a Napoleon and raise an army strong enough to defeat this power, then one could really call himself a Master, but then again, how many Napoleons are born? It takes very special military, political, psychological skills to pull that off. And anyway, the book 1984, describes a time when the ruling class have learned from the past. Now we have systems in space that allows the CIA to listen to your conversation in the middle of the Sahara Desert, so little rebels have very tiny chances to true freedom anyways. My conclusion: The true definition of slavery remains intact. Nobody can change it unless he is willing to become a Napoleon. Slavery is about money, not OINK OINKs. Whether you like it or not, someone will be sent to your home to collect your money (taxes). Now with that being said, slaves do have the power, by teaming up and giving the rest of their money to a Goddess, to give her a certain Sovereignty. She will still be forced to pay taxes, but in reality, she will not. Because her slaves agree to pay everything for her. Over and out 1st off i wanna tell you that I am so sorry that you are on timeout , and I am against both the decree and who ever issued it. I see that they have thrown you under the bus even after having paid your taxes on time. And now it is up to me to speak for you and ask the "Mods" to lift the bann on you.because you are not disposable in my eyes. Speaking of taxes, let me tell you this as a short answer. The only knowledge I have about tax system is limited to how I pay them and on time , so I won't incur more loss in form of penalty. Also in some cases, I don't have to know much about something to know if it is wrong or right. You were born in Canada right? And I happen to be coming from a place where people DON'T PAY TAXES, and i can tell the difference. oh! I just told you about a kingdom of masters , did i not. You are asking me to stop paying taxes. No problem if you can come here pave my drive way, and pick up that tree that fell during the storm and it is now blocking the road, and provide a safe environment for my children to go to school and back without getting kidnapped etc. Etc.. you are calling for a state of chaos. And I think you need to remain under the bann. Yes I have watched that matrix movie. What about it? Nothing special about that movie to me . It is not even on the list of my favorite movies.

slaveboywonderma -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/19/2015 11:37:14 AM)
note to notabull you have a lot to say. tip if you dont like the idea of money dommes dont bother approaching them, but dont be judgmental either or bemoan the fact you dont have a Mistress, a Mistress cant live on fresh air, if you want to serve you betcha the Mistress will want a financial consideration particularly if you also are not in a position to get out there meet a Mistress in real and offer real services outside financial, final tip if you get away from the computer and go into your local town or city you will find real Women who may happen to be domme and provided you are willing to offer yourself to them they will want you and not for your money, so if you want a Mistress get away from your computer screen and get out and meet people slave kevin

notaBULL -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/19/2015 2:12:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboywonderma note to notabull you have a lot to say. tip if you dont like the idea of money dommes dont bother approaching them, but dont be judgmental either or bemoan the fact you dont have a Mistress, a Mistress cant live on fresh air, if you want to serve you betcha the Mistress will want a financial consideration particularly if you also are not in a position to get out there meet a Mistress in real and offer real services outside financial, final tip if you get away from the computer and go into your local town or city you will find real Women who may happen to be domme and provided you are willing to offer yourself to them they will want you and not for your money, so if you want a Mistress get away from your computer screen and get out and meet people slave kevin What the hell are you talking about, I was in strip joints every night for 32 years and I gave more money to Women than all of you fruitcakes on here combined. Now I do not need advice from anyone on how to meet women and this thread is not about that. So Go read from the beginning and the next you post on a thread, make sure you know what the hell you are talking about.

slavemali -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/21/2015 11:15:00 AM)
Hi notaBull...umm this is the internet lol so when you say stuff like this: What the hell are you talking about, I was in strip joints every night for 32 years and I gave more money to Women than all of you fruitcakes on here combined. makes the lawyer side of me want to say facts not in evidence....

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/22/2015 4:21:28 AM)
why can't a Mistress live on "air" this is what so many financial Dominates seem to think their little subs and slaves can do.... if you take money provide the service.... or don't take the money, might be a good rule of thumb for everyone to follow...

slaveboywonderma -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/22/2015 11:19:52 AM)
i find it hard to disagree there slave kevin

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/27/2015 2:34:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alpha299 After few days of constant thinking about this thread, " what us slavery" I came to the conclusion that this is not ONLY about the definition of the word slavery, That was not what you really wanted to ask, but when people see you thread asking what is the definition of slavery ,you will get the wrong people replying to your question, this does not mean their replies are wrong , and yoy are not getting the right answer because the problem was in the question itself, your question was not clear and I could see a drift in the thread, anyway so I won't get lost, after checking your profile and trading some of your replies,I got an idea on you ,pardon me I may be tort, I think y ou are an alpha mâle even though your profile states you are slave, alpha males can be subs also , but they need special very powerful may be very harsh women to control them , so my be the question here is how you see the slavery in relation to an alpha male ,correct me if I am wrong Hi can you restate this, it currently makes no sense.

littleclip -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/28/2015 8:55:32 PM)
the terms are not as they were once we can not own a person or sell them. I like the term samurai as I swear fealty to one Master/Mistress to please and serve as I may be decreed [sm=yesmistress.gif][sm=yesmaster.gif]

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/29/2015 6:39:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littleclip the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun Because, his Shogan in return gave him a comfortable place to live eat and have sex during the winter months (A Samuri old defination and during the break down of the old order of Samuri never were slave in the definition that was offered).... I think the more you discuss this... the slave ideal gets thrown out on it's ear and simply replaced with masochists. BDSM truly at many levels doesn't need or foster slaves in the true sense of the word for the lifestyle to work. Staying with masochist however then everything fits in place and there is a place of accommodation for all levels of masochists.... I have left service of several Dominants cause they forgot I was a masochist, but tried to make me a slave from beginning to end..... IE withholding beatings etc as a punishment or simply because they were too tired to fulfill their agreed upon responsibility to the care and feeding of me and my masochistic needs. If your a masochist and your in service and not getting beat and played with, look in the mirror to see the real problem.... So D/s is the only correct way to look at BDSM.... If you are not getting your needs meet as the s in a D/s relationship you ended up with a sorry excuse for a D.... or your a stupid person for not getting what you say you want and need from the relationship.

CREAMPIEincome -> RE: Definition of slavery (11/1/2015 1:50:19 PM)
Just saw the movie THE CLIENT LIST with Jennifer Love Hewitt. Now this was excellent timing as this production is totally suited for this thread. In fact, it has a way of explaining the Hegelian Dialectic to the masses who know more about hockey, football, soccer or basketball than what is truly happening in the world. This is a story about a normal vanilla couple who go broke, and to prevent Foreclosure, Jennifer Love Hewitt has to get busy in a line of work she is not fond of. Ok! You will say not everyone would go has far as the character played by Jennifer Love Hewitt. But that is completely irrelevant, the point is the masses are steered in any direction the ruling class decides to lead them in. It makes no difference if one is forced into prostitution or in the case of THE CLIENT LIST, Pest control. So you see, whether you want to call yourself a Dominant, A Master, a Domme, it is really simply an illusion you believe in. Like NEO had to learn in the MATRIX, you can decide to live in your illusion or know the...

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Definition of slavery (11/2/2015 4:19:41 AM)
Ouch stef, quick jab to rib and a cross to the chin...lol quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: alpha299 correct me if I am wrong That would be a full time job.

subinSouthend -> RE: Definition of slavery (11/2/2015 7:43:49 AM)
The definition of slavery is entirely different in the fetish sense to that of reality. No one on this site would ever actually want to become a slave in the real world. Slavery in the D/s world is entirely consensual and ''the slave'' is free to walk away at any time they choose so doesn't really exist. So how many women would like to travel to Syria and become a slave to ISIL? Not many I'd say.

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Definition of slavery (11/3/2015 11:21:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: alpha499 Goddess, how he's ahead of me? He's in Montreal and can't travel,we all know why, I am more useful than he is, I can help remodel the house,wash the car,mow the yard.plow the snow very soon, what can he do.?that's not fair He's spent money sweetie. You still having sent me your flight itinerary, like I told you to, nor have you bought me stuff from my wishlist like I told you to. So far, all you've done is spend your day picking fights with him. Not very pleasing... [sm=paddle.gif] So basically alpha499 (JOK3ER) is mad at you because god......! you wont let him top from the bottom....lol

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