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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:49:24 AM   
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so weve gone from it being a terrorist attack against christianity, then we get the bullshit about the IRA, now altho he stated he was a conservative republican, hes trying to make it about his lack of organized religion
HOME GROWN AMERICAN MURDERER....take the fucking blame for your culture
backpedalling everytime a new report comes out puts a lie that you are waiting for the "truth" to come out'



Just what part of the culture are you referring? The entertainment media for glorifying violence? The prevalence of firearms in the hands of citizens, the majority of which do not go around shooting up schools, theaters, or anything else for that matter, or the human culture which prides itself on being intolerant, ignorant, hate driven, with that egotistical bullshit attitude "if you aint one of us, you aint shit?"

In case you havent noticed Lucy, the majority of humans on this planet are hell bent on destroying each other, with guns, knives, bombs, rocks, bottles and eventually when everything runs out, sticks.

Guns are not the problem, nor is the ability to get guns, the problem is that humans have this overwhelming desire to kill each other for whatever reason that sounds good, religion, land, power, political beliefs or because Joe Shit for brains cant get laid even if he paid for it.

Taken as a whole, the human species is the most advanced parasitic species on the planet, we are destroying the very environment which we depend on, we are a virus, a cancer and the biggest evolutionary joke in the universe.

Taking and locking up the guns is not the solution, it would not even make an effective dent in the problem. I want a gun, and I cant buy one, I can, thanks to the internet, download the specs to make in my garage, without a lot of special tools, a nice little sten gun. Ugly, inaccurate, but effective. Designed by the British in WW2 so it could be made in large numbers with a minimum (read zero) specialized tools, it could be made in the village blacksmith shop.

The same can be said for the wonderful AK47, crude, simple and effective and they are being made in the 3rd world by guys in back alleys by the thousands, without machine tools for the most part.

Now stop shitting bricks about guns and address the real problem, making humans less violent and intolerant.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:49:56 AM   
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I am an athiest so those issues do not affect me.

How evasive, your religion doesn't matter would you be as compasionate and forgiving of a man who picked blacks out of a group and killed them and you are a man who picke Christians out and killed them?
Why are you dogging the question.


Try it again dumbass...I do not believe in the death penality for any crime. I am an athiest so I do not believe in heaven or hell. Consequently I seek only that this person is removed from society so they cannot cause any more damage. You on the other hand need a little vengence in your life to make you feel important.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:59:32 AM   
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If he was associated with the theater department I would think counsuling should have been availiable.
Just curious, was he gay?

Why do you feel that those involved in theater are gay?

Trying to figure out why he singled out Christians.


Maybe he was a christian who wanted to help other christians into heaven?


And I am not saying gays are the kind of wackos that would do this.


Then why did you ask if he was gay? You obviously do feel that gays are that"kind of wacko".

But if he was wacko, and gay he may have considered the Christians to be his oppressers.

Why do you feel that christians are the oppressors of gays?


Wacko is the reason he did this gay could explain his targeting.


Bullshit...gay would explane your homophobia and nothing else 

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 10:02:58 AM   
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Only in your dreams. An ak 47 requires a punch press, a chucker, a lathe and a gun drill...none of which are availabel in any back alley in any part of the world.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 10:51:50 AM   
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In case you havent noticed Lucy, the majority of humans on this planet are hell bent on destroying each other, with guns, knives, bombs, rocks, bottles and eventually when everything runs out, sticks.


I can't say that I've noticed that, personally, JLF. In fact most people, most of the time, try to avoid being violent with one another, it seems to me. On the other hand I do believe that the fear of violence can actually produce that violence.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:03:19 AM   
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I am an athiest so those issues do not affect me.

How evasive, your religion doesn't matter would you be as compasionate and forgiving of a man who picked blacks out of a group and killed them and you are a man who picke Christians out and killed them?
Why are you dogging the question.


Try it again dumbass...I do not believe in the death penality for any crime. I am an athiest so I do not believe in heaven or hell. Consequently I seek only that this person is removed from society so they cannot cause any more damage. You on the other hand need a little vengence in your life to make you feel important.

Then if you don't believe in Hell it should make no difference if I want him to go there now should it.

I am as forgiving of a man who targets Christians as one who target blacks, I think the Charleston shooter should burn in Hell too.


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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:13:07 AM   
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If he was associated with the theater department I would think counsuling should have been availiable.
Just curious, was he gay?

Why do you feel that those involved in theater are gay?

Trying to figure out why he singled out Christians.


Maybe he was a christian who wanted to help other christians into heaven?


And I am not saying gays are the kind of wackos that would do this.


Then why did you ask if he was gay? You obviously do feel that gays are that"kind of wacko".

But if he was wacko, and gay he may have considered the Christians to be his oppressers.

Why do you feel that christians are the oppressors of gays?


Wacko is the reason he did this gay could explain his targeting.


Bullshit...gay would explane your homophobia and nothing else 

Damn I wish your reading comprehension where as great as your ego.
If it was you would realise that was he gay goes with trying to figure out why he targeted Christians, not with him being in theator.
Christian helping Christians get to heaven is just plain stupid.

The rest of your post is made up of even more prepsoterous.
I clearly stated that the reason he did this was because he is a wacko, and that even if he was gay that WAS NOT THE REASON FOR THE SHOOTING, however if he was gay a wacko might see Christians as his enemy.
The aptmosphere in the media is that Oregon conciders Christians to be the natural enemies of gays.
To extrapolate homophobia from any of this is to come to a conclusion without even considering what I really said.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:15:07 AM   
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its reminiscent of the mad hatter...

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:38:17 AM   
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Then if you don't believe in Hell it should make no difference if I want him to go there now should it.



Pay attention....I pointed out that your attitude was very christian. Why do you find that offensive?




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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:39:54 AM   
thompsonx


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Oh my

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:40:25 AM   
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bama, I confess, I don't know why you even talk with the guy...

its reminiscent of the mad hatter...

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Because he continually attacks me even when he knows I have him on hide.
Besides, the more he talks the more he shows what a nut he is.
I don't have Domken to use as an example of left wing stupidity so I use him.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:41:19 AM   
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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:43:30 AM   
thompsonx


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Status: offline 		If it was you would realise that was he gay goes with trying to figure out why he targeted Christians, not with him being in theator.

Why bring up his "gayness"in relation to his working with the theater? Do you think everyone in theater is gay or just the ones with guns?

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:50:09 AM   
thompsonx


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Status: offline 		The aptmosphere in the media is that Oregon conciders Christians to be the natural enemies of gays.


That would be your homophobic ignorant childish opinion


To extrapolate homophobia from any of this is to come to a conclusion without even considering what I really said.

Let's see you said 'he was in theater? was he gay? maybe that is why he shot the christians'? yeah dude that is what you said.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:52:37 AM   
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When you bend over and show me your butt cheeks my foot has no conscience.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:54:55 AM   
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If it was you would realise that was he gay goes with trying to figure out why he targeted Christians, not with him being in theator.

Why bring up his "gayness"in relation to his working with the theater? Do you think everyone in theater is gay or just the ones with guns?

I already pointed out that my asking if he was gay was not related to him being in theator, but a thought about why he targeted Christians.
Information that has since come out indicating that he was more likely just another wacko atheist ridding the world of Christians.

NO I DON'T THINK ALL ATHEIST ARE WACKO KILLERS BUT WACKOS WHO ARE ATHIEST WOULD SEE CHRISTIANS AS AN ENEMY TO BE KILLED, BECAUSE THEY ARE WACKO, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:55:47 AM   
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More guns are not working... I want a society where carrying a gun with my children is not needed.

Butch


There are societies like how you want them to be - although, from what I read here, not in the USA. And the gun freaks would not like it there.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 11:59:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		So seven pages of the conservatives trying to defend crazy, conservative, republican assholes, with guns and 'freedom' to mow others down at their leisure.....

I think its more than time to institute some good firearm laws. This concept of mass shootings is becoming to common. That when I heard about it, I was not really sadden but rather 'gosh, only 3.4 weeks.....'. The 2nd amendment is corrupted. The politicians corrupted the law to server their political desires. the nation as a whole is paying for the cost every day. Now we have a group of citizens whom defend this corrupted law because they have been compromised. When talking to them, they will say they are against terrorists. Yet, by the very law they defend like a religion, they are allowing those same terrorists to obtain firearms. Helping to make the process as easy as possible!

Mandatory background checks. You want a firearm, your background is searched. If you go an do something stupid or reckless with a firearm within one month of obtaining it, we throw the seller in jail. Hopefully that will cut down on all the shadow trading going on.

Two week waiting period. When people are angry they want a gun to get even with someone. Over the course of two weeks, most people's tempers simmer down to a cooler temperature. An thus, the need for a gun is then considered a bonehead choice if they were allowed to get one.

Getting a yearly physical. Have a gun? Get a physical. Dont want a physical, then you dont need a gun. We require it of law enforcement to obtain one; the same should apply to anyone else carrying a gun. Not only are you examined physically; but mentally and emotionally. We place laws that basically state that if your loved ones do not report your behavior as being less than 'fair', and you go and do something (i.e. kill a bus full of people), they could be held liable for not stating such an examine should take place sooner.

Those confirmed by a medical professional (e.g. medical doctor, psychologist, psychiatrist) that the individual is not safe with a firearm, they are ban from having one.

Obtaining a firearm requires a training class. Even if you already have three guns, you obtain a new one, your getting a training class.

Firearms are locked up when not in use. An those locks are hard to access and remove.

Place a tax on firearm sales that increases their cost by a factor of five. That gun cost you $800? Now its $4,000. People are less likely to let a firearm 'disappear' when its value is so much more than it is currently.

Firearm owners are required to have insurance with each of their firearms. They misuse the firearm, its the insurance company that has to fork over the money to pay for damages.

I think Americans have been MORE THAN PATIENT enough with conservative morons as it concerns firearms in this nation. Seems the only people whom conduct mass shootings would be largely reduced by the above ideas. It would restore much in the way of good will among Americans. Firearm owners would not be seen as the evil badguys that everyone seems to feel they have become in the nation.

I know my views are not popular by conservatives, but, fuck 'em! They're political viewpoints allow domestic terrorism to take place with total ease. Lets not forget that two of their number gave us 4/19/95! Their 'values' have all been debunked in the last decade. Their politicians have been exposed for the lying, selfish, pieces of shit they have always been. Conservatives are incapable of holding themselves and their political persons for public office to any real level of accountability and responsibility with power. Their conservative media does not take facts and truths, but spews propoganda 24/7/365. All in an effort to keep firearms as easy to obtain, for anyone that wants to conduct a mass shooting in America.

When police around the country nail individuals with illegal firearm possession and trace where they came from. Why is it they come from states with little or no real gun control? Maybe its because criminals know which states are 'safe heavens' much like conservatives accuse cities of being so for illegal immigrants. I know none of the conservatives on this board can challenge the firearm laws that should be put into law immediately. They attack the individual (i.e. me) in any petty manner they can muster. Because they really do want MORE domestic terrorism to take place in America! If conservatives are not 'ok' with this common sense laws; maybe we should question their loyalty as a US Citizen....


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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 12:01:12 PM   
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More guns are not working... I want a society where carrying a gun with my children is not needed.


There are societies like how you want them to be - although, from what I read here, not in the USA. And the gun freaks would not like it there.


Fuck the gun freaks. Those people are 'OK' with domestic terrorism on the citizens of the nation. They lost all credibility on 4/19/95. Back during the height of the Militia Man Movement!

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 12:03:14 PM   
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If it was you would realise that was he gay goes with trying to figure out why he targeted Christians, not with him being in theator.

Why bring up his "gayness"in relation to his working with the theater? Do you think everyone in theater is gay or just the ones with guns?

I already pointed out that my asking if he was gay was not related to him being in theator, but a thought about why he targeted Christians.
Information that has since come out indicating that he was more likely just another wacko atheist ridding the world of Christians.

NO I DON'T THINK ALL ATHEIST ARE WACKO KILLERS BUT WACKOS WHO ARE ATHIEST WOULD SEE CHRISTIANS AS AN ENEMY TO BE KILLED, BECAUSE THEY ARE WACKO, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE ATHEIST.


Yet if the killer is Muslim, most conservatives seem to state the killing was not because they were "...a wacko..." but because they were Muslim. You cant have it both ways when its inconvenient to your political viewpoints!

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