Aylee
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Because owning 300+ Wii games is perfectly normal?
Because owning 82 different fishing rods is perfectly normal?
Because owning 437 skeins of yarn is perfectly normal?
Because owning 289 action figures in their packages is normal?
There are these things called "hobbies." And people who do these hobby things tend to collect things related to their hobby.
Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you?
This from the boy who claims he only offers up facts and arguments, never stooping to 'just personal attacks'.
This is low, you fucking twit.
I do often have facts and arguments. Notice not one conservative has tried to mount an actual counter argument to my arguments so far? All of you have basically tried to attack my character. Because you and I both know, your side doesnt have any argument. As more people are killed in mass shootings, more people join up with the crowd "heavily restrict and/or ban them'. So keep up with your current tactics. They aren't doing you any good. In a few years, you'll be handing your firearms over to the police. That's right, the government will not have to take the firearms like you all are demanding. The government already knows how to take the guns away. An do it in such a way that you'll cooperate fully. The ironic thing is, the elements that allow the government to do this were put in place by conservative politicians. I.e. the people YOU VOTED FOR!
I have offered up a middle ground, and none of you can handle that concept either. You foolishly think you can just intimidate, insult, and behave like children on the subject of firearms. Someone with some intelligence and wisdom would see the writing on the wall. Better to strike a deal now while you have some credibility. Then later when you have none.
But keep up with your insults. They are not helping your case. They are helping my arguments beautifully.
Those are not facts, twit. They are opinions. And they are not backed up by evidence. Your psuedo-intellectual bull is WRONG.
You needs some facts?
In both semi-live action studies on firearms; it was found that someone with a firearm when confronted by armed individuals already firing into the crowd to which they are located in....DIE....rather than hurting/killing the attackers.
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I think we should perform more studies like these. Placing people in a controlled environment, with safety equipment, and try to figure out what sort of circumstances one find themselves in, and their chances of survival with a firearm. Do they engage or retreat? Do they 'hold the line' or move to flank the attackers? How many defenders with pistols can successfully defend an attack against just two guys with full automatic AKs?
test within the confides of three separate houses with different interior layouts. Maybe two or three office layouts. Maybe a city street or alleyway? A hallway? Who knows.
Curiously, not even one conservative is on-board for having their firearm myths tested. There could be some things were the myth holds some weight (even enough to be confirmed). I suspect most of them are just flat out bullshit. You and others are to scared to let science study these things.
Yet, we do this everyday with automobiles on safety courses. Automobiles kill people in many accidents. So scientists study every variable to determine what the causes are and how to mitigate them (if not eliminate them all together). This has led to vast improvements in how cars are designed. Materials used. Crumple zones created. Even roadways and posted regulations have been updated. All of this has led to a large reduction in fatalities with automobiles.
We do this with many other products one could access. Either create laws that limit how a product is used, or ban it all together. There are plenty of toys each Christmas that are ban for being chocking and fire hazards. We test medication to determine what ill and side effects could take place to a person whom is exposed to other chemicals in their system.
But yet, when it comes to firearms, we can not do any REAL testing, because of the NRA and such groups. Why is that? Is the NRA and others scared science might destroy their myths? The answer is 'yes'!
Propaganda techniques - move the goal posts, compare apples to oranges, petitio principii, confusion of beliefs with facts, introduce irrelevant information as supporting evidence, and appeal to desperation all come to mind.
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