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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/6/2015 10:19:17 PM   
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What you are telling me directly is you do not care how many children are killed or injured as long as there is no chance that you could be held responsible for killing a child through your negligence... That is all you are telling me and have been for the pages and pages and threads and threads... I am done with you


Him and other gun nuts on here do not care how many children are mowed down in a single shooting; just as long as they are allowed to have a gun. They do not care how devastating a mass shooting is, even if they supported the elements that allowed that shooting to materialize in the first place; just as long as they can have a gun. Basically, BamaD is being psychotic. Meaning, 'lack of any real emotion about an event that is truly saddening to the rest of us'.

Stop trying to win him over. What you should do is convince moderates. Using education, intelligence, and above all....honesty. More shooting and greater levels of violence with guns; the more likely moderates will swing over to liberals on gun control. The more conservatives behave dishonest, rude, and even threatening; the more moderates swing over to liberals for gun control.

Convince moderates by talking to BamaD. Let moderates see how BamaD responds to reasonable, sane, and thought filled discussions. I've placed many arguments on this and other threads. Used many facts to support those arguments. He and others have had a very tough time lining up counter arguments. Their best argument is "Fuck off, I like guns". Let them behave as they normally would: with fear, threats, insults, mindless attacks, and more fear after that. It really diminishes their half-decent arguments further.

If we do not voice our outrage, then we must be 'fine' with such mass shootings, right?

I've even tried a 'middle ground' area to which they can not handle either. They're politicals has a fatal flaw: Zero Sum politics. One side has to totally win and the other totally lose. They will not agree to even a middle ground compromise on anything. Therefore, just convince moderates you have the better argument and show their lame attempts at allowing mass shootings to continue.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/6/2015 10:28:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
What you are telling me directly is you do not care how many children are killed or injured as long as there is no chance that you could be held responsible for killing a child through your negligence... That is all you are telling me and have been for the pages and pages and threads and threads... I am done with you


Him and other gun nuts on here do not care how many children are mowed down in a single shooting; just as long as they are allowed to have a gun. They do not care how devastating a mass shooting is, even if they supported the elements that allowed that shooting to materialize in the first place; just as long as they can have a gun. Basically, BamaD is being psychotic. Meaning, 'lack of any real emotion about an event that is truly saddening to the rest of us'.

Stop trying to win him over. What you should do is convince moderates. Using education, intelligence, and above all....honesty. More shooting and greater levels of violence with guns; the more likely moderates will swing over to liberals on gun control. The more conservatives behave dishonest, rude, and even threatening; the more moderates swing over to liberals for gun control.

Convince moderates by talking to BamaD. Let moderates see how BamaD responds to reasonable, sane, and thought filled discussions. I've placed many arguments on this and other threads. Used many facts to support those arguments. He and others have had a very tough time lining up counter arguments. Their best argument is "Fuck off, I like guns". Let them behave as they normally would: with fear, threats, insults, mindless attacks, and more fear after that. It really diminishes their half-decent arguments further.

If we do not voice our outrage, then we must be 'fine' with such mass shootings, right?

I've even tried a 'middle ground' area to which they can not handle either. They're politicals has a fatal flaw: Zero Sum politics. One side has to totally win and the other totally lose. They will not agree to even a middle ground compromise on anything. Therefore, just convince moderates you have the better argument and show their lame attempts at allowing mass shootings to continue.

Like you he cannot understand that disagreeing on methods does not equal disagreeing on intent. I already do all the things he wants, plus training. I don't need a law to tell me to use a gun safe. I don't need a law to tell me not to leave a gun in an unlocked care. I do need a law to tell me to have care insurance. I don't need any of your cockeyed laws to do what I should do. I even pointed out that criminal negligence is already covered and so a special law for guns would just cloud the issue for every thing else. Since I am not negligent with my firearms I am not the least bit worried about the personal ramifications of these laws. However they, like all gun laws, are aimed not at the criminal but at the victim. If someone is "playing" with a gun and accidently shoots someone, yes they should pay the penalty, however, like a car, once it is stolen their responsibility ends. Your calling me a gun nut has no effect on me at all because it only proves either that you are blind to reality or a gun nut is to you anyone who doesn't follow your party line.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/6/2015 10:55:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
What you are telling me directly is you do not care how many children are killed or injured as long as there is no chance that you could be held responsible for killing a child through your negligence... That is all you are telling me and have been for the pages and pages and threads and threads... I am done with you


Him and other gun nuts on here do not care how many children are mowed down in a single shooting; just as long as they are allowed to have a gun. They do not care how devastating a mass shooting is, even if they supported the elements that allowed that shooting to materialize in the first place; just as long as they can have a gun. Basically, BamaD is being psychotic. Meaning, 'lack of any real emotion about an event that is truly saddening to the rest of us'.

Stop trying to win him over. What you should do is convince moderates. Using education, intelligence, and above all....honesty. More shooting and greater levels of violence with guns; the more likely moderates will swing over to liberals on gun control. The more conservatives behave dishonest, rude, and even threatening; the more moderates swing over to liberals for gun control.

Convince moderates by talking to BamaD. Let moderates see how BamaD responds to reasonable, sane, and thought filled discussions. I've placed many arguments on this and other threads. Used many facts to support those arguments. He and others have had a very tough time lining up counter arguments. Their best argument is "Fuck off, I like guns". Let them behave as they normally would: with fear, threats, insults, mindless attacks, and more fear after that. It really diminishes their half-decent arguments further.

If we do not voice our outrage, then we must be 'fine' with such mass shootings, right?

I've even tried a 'middle ground' area to which they can not handle either. They're politicals has a fatal flaw: Zero Sum politics. One side has to totally win and the other totally lose. They will not agree to even a middle ground compromise on anything. Therefore, just convince moderates you have the better argument and show their lame attempts at allowing mass shootings to continue.



Actually you are wrong on all counts.

The federal firearms regulations cover millions of pages of sometimes contridictory regulations, and instead of going through and creating a system of regulations that make sense and are ENFORCIBLE, most folks start screaming ban all guns.

In Tennessee, an 11 year old killed an 8 year old with a shotgun because she would not let him see her new puppies.

Ignoring the fact that the 11 year old considered that a good solution to the situation, as a gun owner, I want to know how it was the boy could grab it in the few seconds between her saying no and him pulling the trigger and what the parents arent in jail

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/6/2015 11:10:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Him and other gun nuts on here do not care how many children are mowed down in a single shooting; just as long as they are allowed to have a gun. They do not care how devastating a mass shooting is, even if they supported the elements that allowed that shooting to materialize in the first place; just as long as they can have a gun. Basically, BamaD is being psychotic. Meaning, 'lack of any real emotion about an event that is truly saddening to the rest of us'.

Psychotic? Don't care? No real emotion?

Cheyeanne Fitzgerald, shot in the back and in critical condition after having a kidney removed, still opposes gun control measures, and her views are supported by her family. Shelby Wambolt, who lost a close friend in the shooting, says calls by President Obama for tighter regulations on gun ownership are misguided. The family of Quinn Cooper who died at Umpqua, their lives shattered by the shooting, issued a statement saying that they don't want the shooter's actions to curb gun rights.

You really are a scumbag.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 5:33:41 AM   
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Whoa some one actually finally named 3 victims.
Fuckinghell
30 pages

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 7:34:04 AM   
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Whoa some one actually finally named 3 victims.
Fuckinghell
30 pages

I wonder if those three victims join some of the other victims and their families and quite a few of the townspeople who don't want Obama to come visit?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 7:41:28 AM   
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well you guys should make your mind up as to wether he isnt doing what he should and should visit chris mintz, or leave him alone to get better, there is a petition for the guy to get a presidents medal of freedom, Yes I signed it, there is also a go fund me page that is now over ten thousand dollars and
According to an email from Ms. Coccia,(his Girlfriend) “Chris says he doesn’t want publicity at all. He is unaware of what his life is about to become, when we see random invites, some seem enticing, he wants to do his best to stay out of the politics of it. His future interests lies in his education, his son and raising autism awareness. Chris is immensely humble and really doesn’t want the fame. He looks to me for advice as his friend and I’m trying to protect him the best I can.”
Humble is right. Even as he awaits a call from the president and experiences a tsunami of gratitude from a nation starved for positive story lines, Mr. Mintz has others on his mind. In the video, he tells his friend, “I just want to wish all the other families a safe and speedy recovery.”

If he doesnt go, he doesnt care, if he does go he is too late, or politicizing it.

Now why hasnt anyone mentioned any of the victims before now????oh thats right

you only care about the repercussions it has on obama.
fucking typical.


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:23:26 AM   
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well you guys should make your mind up as to wether he isnt doing what he should and should visit chris mintz, or leave him alone to get better, there is a petition for the guy to get a presidents medal of freedom, Yes I signed it, there is also a go fund me page that is now over ten thousand dollars and
According to an email from Ms. Coccia,(his Girlfriend) “Chris says he doesn’t want publicity at all. He is unaware of what his life is about to become, when we see random invites, some seem enticing, he wants to do his best to stay out of the politics of it. His future interests lies in his education, his son and raising autism awareness. Chris is immensely humble and really doesn’t want the fame. He looks to me for advice as his friend and I’m trying to protect him the best I can.”
Humble is right. Even as he awaits a call from the president and experiences a tsunami of gratitude from a nation starved for positive story lines, Mr. Mintz has others on his mind. In the video, he tells his friend, “I just want to wish all the other families a safe and speedy recovery.”

If he doesnt go, he doesnt care, if he does go he is too late, or politicizing it.

Now why hasnt anyone mentioned any of the victims before now????oh thats right

you only care about the repercussions it has on obama.
fucking typical.


How about he just reach out to Chris Mintz? Like he did with Michael Brown's family? Or Trayvon (he could be my son) Martin's family?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:24:38 AM   
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He has you fucking idiot.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:25:56 AM   
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making it about obama and ignoring the dead, is the point you dont get...and you are still rabbitting about obama...
so I have no use for your ignorance.


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:45:20 AM   
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He has you fucking idiot.

Why...you're right, Lucy. He finally did (if he called yesterday) or will.
Only what...5-6 days after the Army (yeaaaa Army)vet's heroic actions? I'd be willing to bet he reached out to the Michael "criminal" Brown family much quicker.

And he certainly made his political points speech...guns, not the people who misuse them, are bad...much more quickly.

http://observer.com/2015/10/exclusive-obama-to-phone-chris-mintz-hero-of-umpqua-mass-shooting/

Some highlights from the article (written yesterday).

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER
EXCLUSIVE: Obama to Phone Chris Mintz, Hero of Umpqua Mass Shooting

Facing criticism for failing to acknowledge army vet's bravery, president to call wounded Oregon dad who saved others...

Mr. Obama has been criticized by some for having spoken forcefully about the need for stricter gun control laws amid the shooting, while neglecting to mention the extraordinary acts of Mr. Mintz, who is now recovering from seven bullet wounds and a pair of broken legs. Mr. Obama was noticeably more prompt in contacting, for example, Ahmed Mohamed, the Texas boy whose arrest over a clock that was mistaken for a bomb earned him an invitation to the White House and a tweet from the president.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:52:07 AM   
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He has you fucking idiot.

Why...you're right, Lucy. He finally did (if he called yesterday) or will.
Only what...5-6 days after the Army (yeaaaa Army)vet's heroic actions? I'd be willing to bet he reached out to the Michael "criminal" Brown family much quicker.

And he certainly made his political points speech...guns, not the people who misuse them, are bad...much more quickly.

http://observer.com/2015/10/exclusive-obama-to-phone-chris-mintz-hero-of-umpqua-mass-shooting/

Some highlights from the article (written yesterday).

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER
EXCLUSIVE: Obama to Phone Chris Mintz, Hero of Umpqua Mass Shooting

Facing criticism for failing to acknowledge army vet's bravery, president to call wounded Oregon dad who saved others...

Mr. Obama has been criticized by some for having spoken forcefully about the need for stricter gun control laws amid the shooting, while neglecting to mention the extraordinary acts of Mr. Mintz, who is now recovering from seven bullet wounds and a pair of broken legs. Mr. Obama was noticeably more prompt in contacting, for example, Ahmed Mohamed, the Texas boy whose arrest over a clock that was mistaken for a bomb earned him an invitation to the White House and a tweet from the president.

why dont you prove it, instead of guessing..
Mintz has seven gunshots and broken legs, Im sure he needed that circus the day after the shooting, or even a few days after the shooting.
Again, you have moved the fucking arrogant ignorance. goalposts.
You make it all about obama...go right ahead... im not being bated into anymore crap.
ahmed hadnt been shot, just arrested, no body died, are you upset because ahmend is a muslim?



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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 8:57:56 AM   
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Ignoring the frenetically felching nutsuckers (not an uncommon ocurrance)
I expect someone who has been shot 7 times, might be given some breathing room, before he has to get gussied up for a phone call.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 9:10:11 AM   
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noooooooooo the president meeting him is far more important for the peoples, the rightists, who havent even mentioned the victims that died, until 30 pages about oregon have passed.
Weve had one moron stating the shooter is a terrorist, anti christian, black, left wing shooter to back up their ignorance. Oh and even "Enjoy 9 more dead people, it won't get a repeal of the 2nd."


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 9:29:20 AM   
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Well, we know that W, the nutsucker darling, had veterans bodies thrown in the dump. So, I doubt these idiots actual patriotism farther than pants shitting nothingness.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 10:11:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He has you fucking idiot.

Why...you're right, Lucy. He finally did (if he called yesterday) or will.
Only what...5-6 days after the Army (yeaaaa Army)vet's heroic actions? I'd be willing to bet he reached out to the Michael "criminal" Brown family much quicker.

And he certainly made his political points speech...guns, not the people who misuse them, are bad...much more quickly.

http://observer.com/2015/10/exclusive-obama-to-phone-chris-mintz-hero-of-umpqua-mass-shooting/

Some highlights from the article (written yesterday).

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER
EXCLUSIVE: Obama to Phone Chris Mintz, Hero of Umpqua Mass Shooting

Facing criticism for failing to acknowledge army vet's bravery, president to call wounded Oregon dad who saved others...

Mr. Obama has been criticized by some for having spoken forcefully about the need for stricter gun control laws amid the shooting, while neglecting to mention the extraordinary acts of Mr. Mintz, who is now recovering from seven bullet wounds and a pair of broken legs. Mr. Obama was noticeably more prompt in contacting, for example, Ahmed Mohamed, the Texas boy whose arrest over a clock that was mistaken for a bomb earned him an invitation to the White House and a tweet from the president.

why dont you prove it, instead of guessing..
Mintz has seven gunshots and broken legs, Im sure he needed that circus the day after the shooting, or even a few days after the shooting.
Again, you have moved the fucking arrogant ignorance. goalposts.
You make it all about obama...go right ahead... im not being bated into anymore crap.
ahmed hadnt been shot, just arrested, no body died, are you upset because ahmend is a muslim?


Contrary to your beliefs, I don't hate Muslims. If you can find a post where I've shown what could be called hatred...by a reasonable person...for Muslims, bring it forth. That doesn't mean I think Ahmed deserved a call from the President for...what exactly? Designing a clock that looked like a bomb?



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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 10:37:01 AM   
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I guess you don't read actual news stories. If you are that confused about why he called.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 11:34:32 AM   
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i didnt say you hated muslims...please point out where I did?
butthurt over something that wasnt said, and ignoring all the other things I did
useless idiot

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 11:41:05 AM   
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FR From the Consumer Reports peice that I tried to get some people on here to check earlier.

The study, published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, looked at data from 2000 to 2008. More than 30,000 people die from accidents in the home each year, the study found. The three leading causes of accidental deaths were poisonings (43 percent), falls (34 percent), and fire or burn injuries (9 percent). Firearm mishaps accounted for just 1 percent of all accidental deaths in the home.


Maybe I have a better understanding of the threats than those people who's minds are controled by their emotions.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/7/2015 11:45:05 AM   
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sorta like anyone can quote numbers:


http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full


https://injury.research.chop.edu/violence-prevention-initiative/types-violence-involving-youth/gun-violence/gun-violence-facts-and#.VhVozOTZVY4

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