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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/15/2015 5:08:44 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		In 2013/14, 29 homicide victims were killed by shooting, the same as the previous year and the lowest number since 1980 (19 homicides).

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2013-14/rpt-chapter-2.html#tab-Method-of-killing

The quirk in 2003 was because a 172 people were added to the count of the murders committed by one man, Harold Shipman over years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shipman_Inquiry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman

In 2002/03, the rate of homicide was 17.9 homicides per million population. If the 172 Harold Shipman homicides recorded that year are excluded, the rate would have been 14.7 offences per million population.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/focus-on-violent-crime-and-sexual-offences--2013-14/rpt-chapter-2.html#tab-Offences-recorded-as-homicide

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/15/2015 8:36:06 AM   
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I am saying that idea of relying on oneself, and protecting and caring for those you love, fighting your way through struggles and coming out on the other end stronger and better for it. The idea of bucking teh trend and doing things your own way, regardlss of what everyone else thinks. That is the attitude that helped build the country.

There is a lot of that in the movies but not much in historical reality.





Those are the ideas that the "American Dream" are built on. Independence, self-reliance, personal responsibility.


A corporation is a device to avoid personal responsiblity. What percentage of amerikan business is not a corporation? The donald has defrauded his creditors four times via the corporate bankruptsy laws. It may be the amerikan dream but for most amerikans it is a dream and not a reality.

That is exactly what drives so many people to want to come here. You used the right word for it-fundamental. It is a fundamental difference, one that is not going to go away.

It is not fundamental because it does not exist except in hollywood

What problems we have are going to have be dealt with in that context. And as it is unique from other experiences that exist in other cultures, we don't look to other cultures for inspiration.


We looked to france,g.b and holland as inspiration for our impearlism.
We looked to russia for guidance in space exploration.
We look to germany for expertise in hacking auto computers.



I disagree.

Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/15/2015 1:20:59 PM   
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Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

I bite too.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/15/2015 1:23:48 PM   
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Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

I bite too.


Be still my beating heart.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 3:51:24 PM   
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Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

I bite too.


Be still my beating heart.

That could be arranged as well.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 3:59:51 PM   
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Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

I bite too.


Be still my beating heart.


That could be arranged as well.


You are sooo hawt when you talk dirty

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 4:21:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


Is this the part where I get to put my "hand" over your mouth?

I bite too.


Be still my beating heart.


That could be arranged as well.


You are sooo hawt when you talk dirty


Dude I'm always hawt.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 4:23:20 PM   
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You have posted the figures for homicides (any method) not those that are gun related.

If you want your argument to be taken seriously you should use the correct data.

The correct data? It doesn't matter how many bodies litter the streets as long as they weren't shot?

Seriously?

K.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 4:33:16 PM   
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Dude I'm always hawt.

Have you noticed that I have noticed?



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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 4:33:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if you would like to cover all methods of death from the uk
You must let us do the same
So what the total dead count in the us
By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 4:38:28 PM   
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By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic


He has been known to go balistic when his own words are put in his mouth.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:36:14 PM   
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Well if you would like to cover all methods of death from the uk
You must let us do the same
So what the total dead count in the us
By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

The argument the data make is that the 1997 Parliament Acts had no evident effect on homicide rates. What difference does it make if gun homicides go down but the overall rate shows little or no change? Additionally, I've never seen anyone post homicide data for the United States that didn't include all methods. And finally, what words, precisely, are you alleging that I put in susies mouth?

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:37:49 PM   
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By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

He has been known to go balistic when his own words are put in his mouth.

Links or you're making shit up again.

K.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:46:09 PM   
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By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

He has been known to go balistic when his own words are put in his mouth.

Links or you're making shit up again.

How many black people lynched in u.s. in the past hundred years were not innocent?

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:47:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

He has been known to go balistic when his own words are put in his mouth.

Links or you're making shit up again.

How many black people lynched in u.s. in the past hundred years were not innocent?

That's what I thought. You're making shit up again.

K.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:48:35 PM   
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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 5:55:31 PM   
Lucylastic


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quote:

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Well if you would like to cover all methods of death from the uk
You must let us do the same
So what the total dead count in the us
By the way....if someone put words in your mouth like you just did with susie, you would go ballistic

The argument the data make is that the 1997 Parliament Acts had no evident effect on homicide rates. What difference does it make if gun homicides go down but the overall rate shows little or no change? Additionally, I've never seen anyone post homicide data for the United States that didn't include all methods. And finally, what words, precisely, are you alleging that I put in susies mouth?

K.


yet last years data says the rate is its lowest since 1980

29 shootings deaths in 2014...
523 murders in total

Actually The most quoted numbers quoted here are "just" Gun deaths.
Then they get split into murders, suicides and accident.
The actual murder rate is rarely brought up.

Just like Mass shooting and mass murder
Mass Murder/killing only counts those killed in numbers over 4
Mass shootings counts other victims too
People dont like it because it sounds worse than they want to believe it really is.
My post above shows the latest data from the UK,
this....id latin you to death but its friday night,
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It doesn't matter how many bodies litter the streets as long as they weren't shot?

Seriously?



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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 6:09:36 PM   
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Actually The most quoted numbers quoted here are "just" Gun deaths.
Then they get split into murders, suicides and accident.
The actual murder rate is rarely brought up.

The most quoted numbers by those who only want to highlight the number of gun deaths. But when comparing countries, rates are the only data that matters. And when assessing the effect of firearms laws on homicide rates, you have to take all homicides into account. Reducing the number of gun homicides with little or no effect on the overall homicide rate shows that the laws only suppressed gun ownership, not homicides.

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this....id latin you to death but its friday night,

quote:

It doesn't matter how many bodies litter the streets as long as they weren't shot?


Well, I don't view that as "putting words in her mouth" (see above).

K.


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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 6:10:42 PM   
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That's what I thought. You're making shit up again.


Links, bozo.

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RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe - 10/16/2015 6:12:20 PM   
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quote:

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Actually The most quoted numbers quoted here are "just" Gun deaths.
Then they get split into murders, suicides and accident.
The actual murder rate is rarely brought up.

The most quoted numbers by those who only want to highlight the number of gun deaths. But when comparing countries, rates are the only data that matters. And when assessing the effect of firearms laws on homicide rates, you have to take all homicides into account. Reducing the number of gun homicides with little or no effect on the overall homicide rate shows that the laws only suppressed gun ownership, not homicides.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

this....id latin you to death but its friday night,

quote:

It doesn't matter how many bodies litter the streets as long as they weren't shot?


Well, I don't view that as "putting words in her mouth" (see above).

K.



Actually adding all forms of murder hurts their argument because our non firearms murder rate is also higher than theirs.

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