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The problem with femdom art ... - 10/8/2015 8:37:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets
The problem I have with art, in general, and in femdom art, in particular, is that it evokes, in me, such sensations that are so frustrating that I would have been better off sans the art in the first place.


What, I find is both great (and terrible) in femdom art from the likes of Sardax, Namio Harukawa, xrenderer, Rodzo, Waldo, etc., is that varied visuals evince the requisite erotic feelings yet the depicted scenes are almost impossible to imagine happening in real life.
Still, as they are designed to do, they still evoke the expected emotions in me - yet - I can't help but notice a focus on the male - more so than, perhaps, the female...

Could my reaction simply be something that is a common failing of men, in general, to fall prey to such focused femdom artistic visuals (almost like what a do-me sub expects of a female dominant)?
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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/9/2015 1:51:08 AM   
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Namio Harukawa, for example, not only creates implausible scenarios, but then distorts the figure sizes and shapes for artistic emphasis.

And that's not wrong, because it's art. It is, as you say, though, not "real." It is fantasy. And the brain has a difficult time dividing fact from fantasy. Which is why I rarely look specifically to FemDom art to make my points.

I'm going to use a few examples from my tumblr to make a point:



I wrote:

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Female aggression. She does not physically overpower him.

She takes him by surprise. He wants what she offers, and he does not fight back.

And fun is had by all.


So, I make my point, it is very FemDom, but without the fantastical aspects that male perspectives and gaze add. Not to say that piece of art is not male. It probably is. And it's probably fantasy, in that he wishes a woman would behave so aggressively. And yet, it's not far from my life.



Pet found this one and texted it to me, with the words:

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Your womanhood fills my soul with delight and openness.




And this is one of my favorites, from Yumine Guo, who does focus a lot on FemDom, wit love and realism highly evidenced in their work.

More here: Yumine Guo Images

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/9/2015 4:25:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		As you noted, the entire Namio dynamic has the smaller men being used solely for the pleasure of the voluptuous women, whether they be piss pots, foot stools, ashtrays, or worse, all the while the man is visibly straining to perform for the woman while the woman remains essentially wholly relaxed and aloof. (example: http://wewastetime.com/2011/05/15/namio-harukawas-femdom/ https://www.pinterest.com/rulesbonecita/namio-harukawa/)

Why that appeals to me immensely is then what scares me about my reaction.

Your first artwork, while appealing, doesn't actually scare me that way. The art does appeal to me, as he is about to be ravaged and she is going to enjoy ravaging him, whether he knows it or not - but it doesn't scare me by my own thoughts, because they're essentially rational when I see this particular picture.

The second also appeals immensely to me as he is quite literally staring at the place of worship, and she is enjoying his focus on her; but again, there's not anything in that lovely art that would scare me particularly.

I couldn't see the third image as it didn't show up, but searching for Yumine Guo turns up a bunch that do begin to scare me with my own sordid thoughts, particularly the pegging art, something which I have never been the recipient of ...
http://femdomcave.com/femdomnews/yumine-guo-added-to-femdom-artwork/

It scares me, that the art appeals to me - even when much of what is depicted either can't possibly happen, or, um, shouldn't happen.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/9/2015 8:36:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think part of the issue with some of this art: They're done by men to appeal to men. (And many men use them to show what they want done)

They don't necessarily show what appeals to the Femme Domme or what she may consider service.

I mean hell...I don't want someone licking my feet. I want someone that will perfectly brew my coffee and wait silently to give it to me.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/9/2015 9:33:28 AM   
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Could my reaction simply be something that is a common failing of men, in general, to fall prey to such focused femdom artistic visuals (almost like what a do-me sub expects of a female dominant)?

Consider it a failing if you cling to fantasies past the first moments of an interaction with a dominant woman. If you are reacting to her, your expectations should come down to Earth and enter the realm of healthy possibilities.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/9/2015 9:48:33 AM   
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Could my reaction simply be something that is a common failing of men, in general, to fall prey to such focused femdom artistic visuals (almost like what a do-me sub expects of a female dominant)?



I do the same thing with male Dom art.

However, unlike with fem Domme art, where the focus is primarily on the male, male Dom art focuses primarily on the female.

I think it's inherent to BDSM art that the focus is almost always going to be on the bottom in the scene, rather than the Top, regardless of the gender of either, because the bottom ends up being 'the subject'.
Both Tops and bottoms focus on the bottom, because bottoms are imagining things done to them, while Tops are imagining doing things to a bottom.

In fantasy, the existence of the Top is often largely ignored, because the fantasy isn't so much focused on the loving submissive devotion to that specific fantasy Top, but instead on the action being performed onto the bottom. As such, fantasy Tops end up being more largely interchangeable and irrelevant (you often see BDSM art depicting a scene with just the bottom sanse Top in the picture, while the same is rarely every true the other way around). The Top in effect ends up being a 'blank' interchangeable entity only necessary to the extend that they're there to fill in what precise action is being performed onto the bottom.

I think this is a big reason why male bottoms are so much more likely to turn to porn and erotic art than female bottoms, because male bottoms on average tend to be more act, and less connection driven than female bottoms.
For a lot of female bottoms, the actions performed are often really secondary to the connection they feel to that specific Top. For them, the actions rather than the Top are interchangeable. Thus porn and erotic art are less appealing than stories for instance, because it's inherently far more difficult to illustrate an interpersonal connection rather than an action.

The same thing applies to vanilla women and men: women are romantic-interpersonal-connection driven, men are sex-act driven, and thus most porn doesn't appeal to the average woman because it fails to show the connection necessary for the women to become interested in the action.

You'll note that all of NookieNotes' examples of fem Domme art she likes are rarities in the erotic art category, because they all focus far more heavily on the connection between the Top and bottom than on the actual actions performed.




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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/16/2015 4:57:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
I do the same thing with male Dom art.

Thanks for the message.
I generally only look at the first page of the General BDSM forum, so, I hadn't noticed this was updated.
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
However, unlike with fem Domme art, where the focus is primarily on the male, male Dom art focuses primarily on the female.

I think you hit something critically important, which I am slowly being made aware of (so, I'll make some mistakes below).
1. Maledom art focuses on the female, for sure (e.g., the male is just a faceless penis in most of them, if even that)
2. Femdom art, is weird - because - it seems to be for males also - but - with a twist; the twist is that it focuses on THEM!
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I think it's inherent to BDSM art that the focus is almost always going to be on the bottom in the scene, rather than the Top, regardless of the gender of either, because the bottom ends up being 'the subject'.

Again, I'm out of my league (way out of my comfort zone in UNDERSTANDING this art (as I just know it scares and titillates me simultaneously); but again, you make a good point.

BDSM art seems to focus on the plight of the submissive, more so than the delight of the dominant (although, as with all things art, we can only summarize because it varies).
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Both Tops and bottoms focus on the bottom, because bottoms are imagining things done to them, while Tops are imagining doing things to a bottom.

That makes a lot of sense!
In reacting to the artwork, the top is focused on doing things to the bottom, while the bottom is focused on things being done to the bottom.

That is poignant!
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
In fantasy, the existence of the Top is often largely ignored, because the fantasy isn't so much focused on the loving submissive devotion to that specific fantasy Top, but instead on the action being performed onto the bottom. As such, fantasy Tops end up being more largely interchangeable and irrelevant (you often see BDSM art depicting a scene with just the bottom sans Top in the picture, while the same is rarely every true the other way around). The Top in effect ends up being a 'blank' interchangeable entity only necessary to the extend that they're there to fill in what precise action is being performed onto the bottom.


This makes sense, and, in the case of Namio's art, the top is almost always seen as aloof to the plight of the bottom (who is almost always uncomfortable and who can barely breathe at times), all the while being the express cause of the bottom's predicament.
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I think this is a big reason why male bottoms are so much more likely to turn to porn and erotic art than female bottoms, because male bottoms on average tend to be more act, and less connection driven than female bottoms.

This is VERY INTERESTING!
I have always considered, for example, erotic art, as a "holodeck" of sorts, where I get to insert myself into the artwork in place of one of the participants.

What you're saying is that the women who view the same art, are more emotional cerebral than physical virtual reality, I think.
Is that a correct assessment?
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For a lot of female bottoms, the actions performed are often really secondary to the connection they feel to that specific Top.

Interesting! Very interesting.
I, as a male, am more focused, I think, on the physical actions, more so than the mental connection, when viewing the art.
You're saying, I think, that womenfolks are different in that respect. They're more mental, and not so much inserting themselves into the holodeck virtual reality as in the mind of the two people involved in the art depiction. Is that right?

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For them, the actions rather than the Top are interchangeable. Thus porn and erotic art are less appealing than stories for instance, because it's inherently far more difficult to illustrate an interpersonal connection rather than an action.

This explains a lot! It may be why "Romance Novels" appeal to women more so than porn magazines appeal to them, and vice versa for men. Cerebral versus Physical.
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
The same thing applies to vanilla women and men: women are romantic-interpersonal-connection driven, men are sex-act driven, and thus most porn doesn't appeal to the average woman because it fails to show the connection necessary for the women to become interested in the action.

I agree. I really do.
It's the same in the vanilla world, because, well, we men and you women, are the same people as in the vanilla world.
It makes a lot of sense.
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You'll note that all of NookieNotes' examples of fem Domme art she likes are rarities in the erotic art category, because they all focus far more heavily on the connection between the Top and bottom than on the actual actions performed.

Interesting observation, because, truth be told, I agree with you.
The so-called femdom art above was too relationship oriented to evoke the same feelings in me that the "normal" femdom art (presumably prepared by men for men) does. So, her stuff did NOT scare me (nor did it evoke the same deep sensual feelings).

Ah, you have hit upon a crucial difference indeed.

It's hard to summarize, but, essentially, femdom art for women is different than femdom art for men, where the art-for-women focuses on the feelings of relationship, while the art-for-men focuses on the use of the men as physical objects - therefore - the art-for-women doesn't scare me at all (nor evoke the same erotic passion in my loins) as the art-for-men appears to.

Those damn femdom artists. They're so manipulative!


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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/16/2015 7:06:14 PM   
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I like Femdom art, namio, sardax, and Guo, amongst others. I grew up on soft porn my dad printed two of the biggest UK porn mages back in the 60s and 70s. He used to bring proofs home to fix, and I would find them and read the articles and look at the pics...Im a very visual person, erotica, speaks to me...im straight, but the female AND male form are delicious. But im also very mental(im not insane tho) reading fantasies of all kinds on penthouse or playboy hustler, esquire and some serious german torture porn (not from my dad) Ive always been interested in the mental aspect of fantasies.
But its my mental response to it that makes a difference
SO I could look at a namio that my ex pet loved, and want to get him into that position to see his responses. Some were more intense than others. Interesting results .
This is one of my favourite pictures of all time.


SImply because it reminds me of a time, we were playing on the top of a mountain in the rain, wearing a collar...some bondage, some outside flogging...ok the memory is mine:) but it was a time that was so powerful and intimate in my time as his Mistress.
The picture may not inspire a scene as being played out in a pic, but , something speaks to me, and yes I can get a whole buzz going on, knowing that reality is different. but still worth a go:)


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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/17/2015 4:33:28 PM   
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I like Femdom art, namio, sardax, and Guo, amongst others.

I find the selection of Femdom art, provided by the ladies, interesting in two huge respects.
1. They're different than what I generally look at, and,
2. They don't scare me (as much).

I am not sure the reasons, but, I think everything that was said above about how females tend to approach the art differently versus the males is half the reason, while the other half of the answer is the actual artwork we're talking about also seems to be different (even though the artists may be the same).

For example, Namio Harukawa:
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Japanese artist Namio Harukawa has a singular vision/obsession: women in charge. In virtually all of his paintings and drawings, women radiate the bemusement of the Mona Lisa as they are sexually serviced by men who appear to be little more than appendages of the women’s sexual organs. Astride the faces of hapless males, the women are magnificent in their utterly cruel detachment.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/19/2015 12:55:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		The femdom art from the ladies seems, as noted, to be more EMOTIONALLY oriented, while, what "I" think of femdom art is more PHYSICALLY oriented.

This art, below, is jokingly provided, as it's not really femdom art, per se ... but the point is that the FOCUS is different from what I'm used to in the artwork posted by the ladies above.

What's interesting is that the artwork the ladies enjoy is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than this concept (which is natural), and I find that very interesting.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/19/2015 6:07:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apart from the fact its a cartoon(no hassle there its art...funny art, but still)
The two "dommes" are ignorant of what is goingon, the focus is on the electrification fun of a single solitary guy being buzzed.
While the idea is fun..it is purely a male fantasy pic, focussed on the subject, a domme isnt needed as a party to his torture. The postman, would work just as well.
There is no sensuality, there is no desire, there is just what the man is focussed on.
Not "femdom art" in my opinion.



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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/19/2015 6:57:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		What's interesting is how DIFFERENT we are, in our combined selection and reaction and focus and interpretation of femdom art!
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The two "dommes" are ignorant of what is goingon, the focus is on the electrification fun of a single solitary guy being buzzed.

I realize you know this, but in case others don't know it, I posted it not because it was femdom art, per se, but because it portrayed the fact of something *done* to the male, who was in a *predicament* for the *amusement* of another.

This is a different *action* sequence, than the female-posted femdom art.
Here, for example, is a similar case of two Dommes (purposefully) ignorant of what is going on, but where the focus is on the submissive, and not on the dominants, as an example of the kind of art that scares and evokes at the same time.

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.it is purely a male fantasy pic, focussed on the subject

That is in keeping what others have said, which is that the male seems to look at femdom art differently than does the female, both reacting to and choosing the art differently. It seems the male focuses on himself, as the submissive, in the femdom art. Something usually being done "to" or "with" the male, simply for the pleasure of the female, often while he is in focused service to her strangely aggressive (for women) sexual needs.

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The postman, would work just as well.

I could dig up the classic femdom art - but I thought the cartoon illustrated (most of) the point, which is that the men seem to look at different femdom art than do the women, where the focus is different.

In much of the art, for example, the male is used as incidental furniture.

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There is no sensuality, there is no desire, there is just what the man is focussed on.
Not "femdom art" in my opinion.

I agree there is likely a huge difference in what the men enjoy versus what the women enjoy.
It's very difficult to put this into words, but, the simplest characterizations have been made which seem to be apropos.

However, there "is" sensuality; it's just not the same to you as it is to me.
It's different.

In fact, it's ENTIRELY different what appeals to you versus what appeals to me.
By extension, we may be forgiven by assuming that what appeals to you, in general, appeals to women, and, what may appeal to me, may, in general appeal to men.

I would say that the selection below is somewhat typical of what does NOT appeal to the women here, for example, yet, the specific styles of art exists in droves, for a reason, in that it appeals to someone.

What's interesting is how DIFFERENT we are, in our combined selection and reaction and focus and interpretation of femdom art!

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/20/2015 12:43:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		To add to your annecdata about what type of erotic art Dommes like, I really enjoy Humon's femdom comics. They are interspersed throughout her gallery and deviant art, but here's a sample:







And just for laughs...


If you're into sword and sorcery style fantasy at all definitely check out her dark elf (and Amazon & Shieldmaiden) strips. They're great femdom sendups of the genre.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/22/2015 2:18:52 PM   
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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/24/2015 9:16:50 AM   
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To add to your annecdata about what type of erotic art Dommes like, I really enjoy Humon's femdom comics.


I easily see that the art that appeals to the women isn't necessarily what was scaring me, which is to be expected, I guess, with art.

The first one you posted was interesting though, because it can be presumed that he placed the gold in his anus for her to pull out as her gift.
He carried it for her, and she plucked it out of him (I may presume?).

The second one also does not scare me, but is interesting in that the men, as a whole, are there to please her, and, apparently they're tired, and she's pleased, so, the group did their job well. The males seemed a bit young, but, I'll assume that's not the point. The satiety is, I believe, the point, although one male seems to still be interested all the while she seems to be exhausted, which, I guess is to be assumed if the three men have exhausted themselves pleasing her, and, she doesn't look like she can take much more from the fourth.

I'm not sure how to interpret the third artwork. The males are mostly holding a drink, and one is dutifully feeding his mistress, while the one on the right is mopping his brow all the while his lady is indicating a sore pussy (I think?) - indicating that the men on the right are taking care of their ladies' needs. I'm not at all sure what the three men on the left are doing though.

The last is funny, when you think of chimps grooming each other, where Olga found a human to groom her, which is as it should be with femdom, where she would rather have the submissive male grooming her than the hunk of a Tarzan who is helpless as he doesn't serve her (grooming) needs.

What I think many men gravitate to is femdom art that has THEM as the central figure having something being DONE to them or with them being the one to DO something to the women.

As mentioned, I think many men (yours truly included) gravitate to the artwork where we are the focus and the victim and the object.
Perhaps that's because we are rarely considered sexual objects in our normal lives?
Dunno.

But here are some non-explicit examples of femdom art where something is being DONE to the men, as the primary focus.
SMALL PRINT: I post these as explicit examples of what women DON'T normally think of as their favorite femdom art (which which dominate in femdom art galleries!).
This shows a classic case of male submissive simply worshiping the female dominant

This shows a classic case of just a spanking being DONE to the male:

While this shows the classic one-two combo of worship AND spanking being done to the male:

I don' t know why, but being used as an ASHTRAY is a classic femdom artwork theme.

And, of course, focus on testicles and the torment thereof is a very common classical theme in femdom art!

That's the stuff that begins to scare me, not only for what it depicts, but for my reactions!

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/24/2015 9:47:53 AM   
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Could my reaction simply be something that is a common failing of men, in general, to fall prey to such focused femdom artistic visuals (almost like what a do-me sub expects of a female dominant)?

I think, as usual, you are putting too much emphasis on what trips your switch in certain ways and extrapolating that to fit everyone.

Art is art. It is usually designed to evoke a response of some sort.
Everyone is different and everyone will have a very individual response to the same stimuli.

That fact that you are trying to attribute your particular failing to be a 'common' failing in 'all men' is an oxymoron.
And even worse, you are attempting to pin this failing on a particular (and broad-spectrum) subset of art (femdom art) is hilarious.

And just like everyone else in the universe, some art I like, some I don't, and much of it I am indifferent to.
That can be applied to any type of art or any particular artist or art in general.
I don't think there's any particular thing I can blanketly say that I like, love or hate.
Trying to pigeon-hole this sort of thing is ridiculous and has no meaning at all.


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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/25/2015 3:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fact that you automatically assume there's something sexual going on in every picture I posted kind of highlights the fundamental disconnect you're having with what turns me (and quite a few other women on) in regards to femdom art.

1. There's nothing in his ass. She's enjoying his physical beauty, yes, and a gift he brought for her. This one is sexual, but in a much more subdued manner than the way you immediately interpreted it.

2. They might be in post-coital bliss, but the much more reasonable interpretation is two men who enjoy and feel safe and protected with their mate(s).

3. This is an illustration of the vanilla side of life of a femdom fantasy. (The one you reasonably thought was female at the far right is actually a CD; in Humon's other comics you meet his male persona.) It's the whole family going out and having a fun day at the beach.

4. Is just funny. But again, it's about the relationship side of things, not the over-the-top sexual side of things.

While I enjoy explicitly sexual/pornographic femdom art, the stuff I remember and save to look at are the pieces that depict the emotional connections between the domme and her sub(s), and there's no need for that depiction to be explicitly sexual.

Note: I want to stress that I'm not saying your favorite images are "wrong" or that you're "wrong" for the way you automatically see the images I posted - you just seemed genuinely curious about how dominant women relate to erotica and what we like, so I'm just sharing my experiences and thoughts to add to what's already been shared.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/26/2015 5:39:25 AM   
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I think, as usual, you are putting too much emphasis on what trips your switch in certain ways and extrapolating that to fit everyone.

Well. that was the question after all, wasn't it?
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Art is art. It is usually designed to evoke a response of some sort.
Everyone is different and everyone will have a very individual response to the same stimuli.

I don't think everyone is different; otherwise, art wouldn't have the wide appeal that it does.
I think there are categories of "different", both on the side of the type of art, and on the side of the aficionado.

For example, the art depicted in this thread that appeals to some of the women who posted it is decidedly DIFFERENT than the art that I posted, which, we can assume (simply because it exists) that it appeals to SOMEONE (probably mostly men is my assumption).

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
That fact that you are trying to attribute your particular failing to be a 'common' failing in 'all men' is an oxymoron.

I'm not sure what the "failing" is - other than I'm trying to better understand both my reaction and your reaction to the same artwork, and to better understand what artwork YOU have similar feelings about.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And even worse, you are attempting to pin this failing on a particular (and broad-spectrum) subset of art (femdom art) is hilarious.

Again. This discussion is about femdom art, and the reaction it provokes.
If you think that this discussion is "hilarious", then perhaps you need to clarify exactly what you find about the question, the art, or the description of the reaction to the art, that is hilarious to you.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And just like everyone else in the universe, some art I like, some I don't, and much of it I am indifferent to.
That can be applied to any type of art or any particular artist or art in general.
I don't think there's any particular thing I can blanketly say that I like, love or hate.
Trying to pigeon-hole this sort of thing is ridiculous and has no meaning at all.

Everything up to your last statement is something that we all know and believe.
On that last statement, I disagree; there is value in interpreting art, as a class, and the reaction to it, as a group.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/26/2015 6:13:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
The fact that you automatically assume there's something sexual going on in every picture I posted kind of highlights the fundamental disconnect you're having with what turns me (and quite a few other women on) in regards to femdom art.


That's an interesting statement. It says a lot. Not only about how I tend to interpret femdomme art (which is mainly sexual, or I wouldn't even be looking at it in the first place), but also in how YOU interpret femdomme art.

The primary revelation here, for me, is how DIFFERENT the art is, that women consider both femdomme and interesting to them, and, the secondary epiphany is the wholly different EMOTIONS that the artwork seems to invoke in those women who posted here.
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
1. There's nothing in his ass. She's enjoying his physical beauty, yes, and a gift he brought for her. This one is sexual, but in a much more subdued manner than the way you immediately interpreted it.

I must openly admit I STRUGGLED with trying to perceive WHAT you found eroticically sensual in that particular depiction. I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why she was so enamored over a simple coin-sized piece of gold, especially since she clearly already had the exact same thing on her clothing already. As one who values jewelry not, I couldn't, for the life of me, understand that piece of artwork.

I tried to interpret it - as noted - and I clearly failed to understand.
Without your explanation, I would NEVER have been able to figure out what you found interesting in the femdomme sense, about that particular artwork.
Mea culpa.
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
2. They might be in post-coital bliss, but the much more reasonable interpretation is two men who enjoy and feel safe and protected with their mate(s).

Again, I struggled, but less so with this one than with the first. It just wasn't readily apparent what the femdomme erotic point was in that art to me. I looked at the woman; she seemed tired, but not sexually tired - more so like staying up all night with a crying baby tired. I then ooked at the men; two seemed like children (which turned me off immediately) and two seemed like men, but much further away and far more disinterested; so I looked more; she had massive arms and hands; but I couldn't make out the rationale for that oddity; she was also fully clothed, while only the one sleeping child was partially clad perhaps.

That artwork was so confusing to me, becuase it had ZERO erotic impact on me (actually NEGATIVE impact, due to the depiction of what appeared-to-me-to-be children).

Given that she was the only STRONG person there, and yet, she had a wearied look about her that I've seen in harried new moms, I couldn't imagine that it was her taking care of the children all night, was it? Naaah. Can't be.

So, I concentrated on the one male that was AWAKE and figured there must be SOMETHING to the story.
I just completed the story as best I could.

But, I admit. I really didn't get that art at all (and, the childlike appearance of the males put me off immensely).
So, without your explanation of your reaction and interpretation, I wouldn't have gotten the point at all.

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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
3. This is an illustration of the vanilla side of life of a femdom fantasy. (The one you reasonably thought was female at the far right is actually a CD; in Humon's other comics you meet his male persona.) It's the whole family going out and having a fun day at the beach.

Oh. OK. I didn't get ANY of that!
I guess I had to know the characters beforehand, which I had zero experience with.
Again, I looked. Looked again. I had no reaction. I just couldn't figure it out.
So, my attempt at figuring it out failed, as I readily admit - I didn't get anywhere in that art that it was either femdomme nor erotic in the least.
I was SURE the artist was trying to tell me something. And, each image, in a microcosm portrayed a clear story; it's just that all seven figured didn't portray a cohesive story.

The art I was thinking about when I posted this thread is MUCH SIMPLER and more direct.
I guess the fact that my brain works as logically and simply as a dog's brain works may be part of the root of my confusion here.
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
4. Is just funny. But again, it's about the relationship side of things, not the over-the-top sexual side of things.

This one, I understood, from the start, to be humor.
Again, it's not something I'd find erotic in the least, but, it would be easily in the category of femdomme art.
Or at least female-in-control art.

I did enjoy and identify with the service orientation of the smaller weaker man, and the brutish ignorance of the much larger male in this seemingly poly amorous situation.
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
While I enjoy explicitly sexual/pornographic femdom art, the stuff I remember and save to look at are the pieces that depict the emotional connections between the domme and her sub(s), and there's no need for that depiction to be explicitly sexual.

I think that is the huge difference between the art I seek and that which you depicted.
For me, it's not worth looking at unless it's explicitly sexual.
If it doesn't invoke sexual feelings - it's of little or no interest to me (other than academically or esthetically).
Not wrong. Not right. Just different.
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ORIGINAL: LadyBerry
I'm just sharing my experiences and thoughts to add to what's already been shared.

I appreciate that sharing.
On purpose, I didn't share the more explicit artwork that I view as sensual, mostly because it wouldn't be appropriate (it's too graphic); but it is very interesting that even the extremely tame images I did post are still nothing like the (basically vanilla, to me) images that the ladyfolk posted.

I am quizzically pondering the astoundingly huge differences in both as we type.

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RE: The problem with femdom art ... - 10/26/2015 7:18:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Im a very visual person, erotica, speaks to me...im straight, but the female AND male form are delicious.

Although I do consider myself a strongly visual person with a keen photographic eye, I look at art more objectively for form, symbolism, and color palette as to the responses it invokes in me, whether it speaks to my soul or not. With art, I can step back and have an aesthetic appreciation for the beauty and grace of the human form, my Animus (inner male) can perceive what appeals to the senses of men on a primal evocative level. Like you Lucy, I'm also totally straight, but possessing those aesthetic sensibilities scored me on the Kinsey Scale of 1-2 (was it?), which is the next level away from being considered 100% heterosexual-minded.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Ive always been interested in the mental aspect of fantasies.
But its my mental response to it that makes a difference

I respond on an erotic level much more to the verbal/mental aspect of sensuality in terms of what stimulates me sexually, and what keeps me stimulated. It is like reverberating music to my ears.

There is a Greek myth of Orpheus and Eurydice, where Orpheus could charm the spirits of the dead back to life with his sublime and mesmerizing music that not even the Immortals could resist.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
SO I could look at a namio that my ex pet loved, and want to get him into that position to see his responses. Some were more intense than others. Interesting results .
This is one of my favourite pictures of all time.

This is absolutely the only one of the pictures in this thread which I find erotic, in a sentimental and romantic fashion.

@crumpets, that's because the love, desire and intense passion which exudes between the couple is evident. It's the sole [soul] type of graphic depiction which arouses me, not the graphic crudeness of mere frame-frozen lurid sex acts.



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