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Master96 -> Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 5:26:52 PM)

Greetings,

What is the difference between Alpha and Beta people?

Thanks,
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There are three types of lies: lies, dammed lies and statistics!
Master96,




popeye1250 -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 5:29:02 PM)

Hillary Clinton is an ALPHA, Bill Clinton is a BETA.




Estring -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 5:30:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Hillary Clinton is an ALPHA, Bill Clinton is a BETA.


Hell, a choice of cancer or polio. Lol.




justheather -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:04:00 PM)

The Alpha's only date jocks and hold their socials on Friday nights. The Beta's are all known sluts and hang out at the Delta house.
Hope that helps!
;-)
h




juliaoceania -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:05:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather

The Alpha's only date jocks and hold their socials on Friday nights. The Beta's are all known sluts and hang out at the Delta house.
Hope that helps!
;-)
h


OMG you are just too cute Heather!




justheather -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:08:36 PM)

*big cheesy grin* Thanks, julia.




littlesarbonn -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:10:08 PM)

Alpha is when the game really sucks and hasn't been fixed yet. Beta is when the game really sucks, hasn't been fixed yet but the marketing team tries to convince everyone else the game is going to change computer gaming forever.




juliaoceania -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:15:39 PM)

I thought Alpha Beta was a supermarket chain that went belly up years ago, but what do I know...




puella -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 6:18:44 PM)

I think you are talking about having two slaves....  touchy subject for me...

The alpha is the primary slave, usually the one who was first in a relationship with the Master.

The beta is the second slave... usually brought in later.

It has been said that there is no difference in terms of importance and value in these roles, but.. that is not what I have personally experienced... perhaps that is how it is supposed to work out in the text books.




littlesarbonn -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 7:30:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

I think you are talking about having two slaves....  touchy subject for me...

The alpha is the primary slave, usually the one who was first in a relationship with the Master.

The beta is the second slave... usually brought in later.

It has been said that there is no difference in terms of importance and value in these roles, but.. that is not what I have personally experienced... perhaps that is how it is supposed to work out in the text books.


They have text books on this stuff???? No wonder I'm screwing up all the time. There's a freaking text book, and I've been taking all the tests without one. It's like my 11 years of undergraduate school all over again.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 7:46:34 PM)

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=425217&mpage=1&key=alpha&#425334
Alpha slave, what does it mean exactly?

Alpha slave can mean

- second in command, first point of contact if there's a problem, with some delegated responsibilities over rewards/punishment/giving orders

OR

- first person who happened to get into the relationship, so has been there longest

OR

- person with deeper emotional intimacy with the master

Or something else...or some combination of the above.

It's important to point out that "alpha" is NOT NECESSARILY the "one who's been there longest."  In some cases, a newer slave is put into the position of alpha because they are better suited for that position within the relationship.

It's also important to point out that "alpha" has no set in stone definition, and in many poly relationship, the position is not used or labeled at all.




pillow -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/17/2006 10:56:42 PM)

please accept  pillows opinion, Alpha and beta are not related only to a 1st and 2nd submissive position. Alpha and beta personalities cross all lines of roles, genders and persona's be it Dominant or submissive, in a kink lifestyle or in normal vanilla type persona's that take control or position or relinquish control or position or settle for second in line but are still in a position over others.




akisha -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 8:27:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather

The Alpha's only date jocks and hold their socials on Friday nights. The Beta's are all known sluts and hang out at the Delta house.
Hope that helps!
;-)
h


Well damn, what are you if you do both though???




RavenMuse -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 8:41:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: puella
It has been said that there is no difference in terms of importance and value in these roles, but.. that is not what I have personally experienced... perhaps that is how it is supposed to work out in the text books.


That is down to the individual Master though, nothing to do with what is in any book. Sure some do the 'first girl' approach and for some, that works well. I don't and it is upto Me to ensure that when I take a second girl, they both get what they need, they both feel secure and they both serve and please me to my satisfaction.

I've done it before, also I've had a couple of girls who thought they could bend that, become 'first girl'.... and had their arse booted out the door as a result. To me Alpha is anyone in my collar, everyone else is Beta!




enthralled -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 8:49:29 AM)

Wait .... you mean there's a textbook floating around????? [8D]

~enthralled




QuietDragon -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 10:07:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

What is the difference between Alpha and Beta people?



There are two places external to BDSM where I can remember having come across references to people (and other creatures) being alpha and beta.

The first was Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, a science fiction novel written around 1930, which looked forward to a 26th century utopian future where the population was made up of artificially reproduced and genetically modified people, conditioned prior to birth and from an early age to fit neatly into one of five castes.

Roughly speaking, the castes were:

Alphas - leadership positions

Betas - positions demanding high intelligence

Gammas and Deltas - positions demanding moderate intelligence

Epsilons - positions demanding no intelligence

The second place is the pack animal (mostly wolves) and primate (chimpanzees) studies, where the dominant male within a pack or group is afforded various benefits as a result of its physical dominance. The alpha male engages in a disproportionate amount of the group’s copulation activity (i.e. it passes on its genes) while dissuading other lower status males from engaging in either copulatory or pre-copulatory activity with the group’s females by either disrupting their pairing-off activities and displays, or by attacking them and chasing them from the group, either temporarily or permanently.

Alpha males exhibit other behaviours, in particular they eat first at pack kills or rich feeling grounds, masturbate publicly (chimpanzees), and initiate mock fighting with other lower-status males.

Studies of wolves, chimps and humans have found that the neurochemistry of both alpha males and lower status males are significantly different – alpha males have significantly higher levels of serotonin, so long as they remain the alpha male, but in studies with wolves, serotonin levels of alphas were found to collapse if they experienced a supremacy battle and lost, whereas the new alpha’s serotonin levels spiked after winning the dominance battle. The sudden collapse of the former alpha’s serotonin levels was accompanied by overt lower-status behaviours (flattened ears, lowering of the head, cringing, and turning away from displays of aggression).

In humans, increasing the amount of serotonin precursors produces feelings of ecstasy and euphoria, and introducing serotonin antagonists produces depressive symptoms.

Another interesting research finding concerning serotonin in humans is that its “dominance” promoting properties are focused particularly specifically on existing dominant males – non-dominant males receive much less benefit from receiving serotonin “boosts” than already dominant males.

This strongly suggests several things:

1. that dominant males are genetically or biologically predisposed for a baseline level of dominance which is higher than that of most other males in their social group;

2. that dominant males can be “knocked off their horse” by the actions of external social situations and become less dominant;

3. that previously dominant males will be regarded as far less dominant (by an unbiased observer) if they are affected by psychological depression or under the long-term influence of serotonin agonists.

Unfortunately, thrown into this heady mix of neurochemicals is the issue of both testosterone and noradrenaline, both of which (in men) modify the expression of male behavioural characteristics and dominant behaviour patterns.

Hope this helps.




SexyRed -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 11:37:48 AM)

I always say that Alpha Males and Alpha Females, regardless of  Dominant/submissive roles are people with more of the type-A strong personality, driven, leader type, assertive, take charge in all aspects of vanilla life.

There are some who believe that an Alpha Female cannot be submissive, but that is a complete falsehood. An Alpha Female can be submissive when she is aware and empowered by her submissive feelings.




puella -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 1:01:29 PM)

Hello (Master?  I do not know how you prefer to be address, sorry!!!) RavenMuse,

Firstly, lol... the whole text book thing was er a bit of sarcasm...heh  good lord, can you imagine who would author it??

Anyhow... of course you are right, what the girls would mean to you is entirely up to what you allow.  However, I must say that I have never seen or been in any sort of relationship with women where there was not some, even the most subtle, power dynamic going on between them.  Sometimes there is no problem, often it never goes challenged or even all that noticed... but it is always there, especially where a man is concerned.

Just my opinion.




puella -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 1:03:24 PM)

Heya, SexyRed...

or.. sometimes an Alpha female will play at being submissive to get what she wants in the end, I have certainly felt the sting of that one.  Watch out when his eyes are not around to monitor.. that's always a lovely situation.




RavenMuse -> RE: Alpha and Beta ?! (7/18/2006 1:44:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: puella
Hello (Master?  I do not know how you prefer to be address, sorry!!!) RavenMuse,


Raven is fine petal. You're not Gorean so Master Raven isn't 'protocol' and your not mine so... whatever you feel comfortable with. But the gesture behind the question is noticed and appreciated [:)]

quote:

Firstly, lol... the whole text book thing was er a bit of sarcasm...heh  good lord, can you imagine who would author it??


I knew the 'text book' was humour, just noteing that no other source, including books should be in the equasion. Just the way the Master wishes his house to be run and then it is down to him to ensure it DOES run that way.

quote:

Anyhow... of course you are right, what the girls would mean to you is entirely up to what you allow.  However, I must say that I have never seen or been in any sort of relationship with women where there was not some, even the most subtle, power dynamic going on between them.  Sometimes there is no problem, often it never goes challenged or even all that noticed... but it is always there, especially where a man is concerned.


Well all I can say is the times I have managed it either I've had remarkable girls (the theory I hold to ... given I have remarkably good taste [:D]) OR they have been subtle enough for me not to notice and worked out any problem with it as none brought any problems of that nature to me (Which I doubt as I am notedly observant, especialy when My girls are concerned). The couple that did try going against the way I wanted things done either learned quickly else where soon dismissed over their behaviour.




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