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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/12/2015 9:47:27 PM   
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In Colorado, I think it's easier for men. I can go to any local party and strike up a conversation with anyone I want. Including women. After five minutes of conversation, if I want to, I can ask her to play. About 50% of the time, she'll agree.

I know far more single women locally than men.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/12/2015 10:22:29 PM   
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It is customarily people don't buy what they don't see, this is again the law of suply and demand, but a matter of availability rather then quantity or abundance.why it is very likely for women to get money offers from " strangers" for one night atand? I have never heard of woman offered money for sex, never happened ,never will. Again this is a give and take deal, a buyer and seller transaction. you are buying something you are already looking at, you already know what you are paying for. And, it is no secret to you that rhw whole woman's body is a turn on for men including her voice, whereas the only turn on object for women in men ""in this particular case"" is the "penis". And I assume you are not walking around dangling your cock in order to get offers. Women in general need enough time to get to know their partner to build some kind of confidence bedore they can open up to men, or engage in any sort of relationship . they may offer you sex for money anyway and that's all you gonna get. I don't think this is a complicated concept to understand anyway unless you wanna go very deep into details.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/12/2015 10:28:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

In Colorado, I think it's easier for men. I can go to any local party and strike up a conversation with anyone I want. Including women. After five minutes of conversation, if I want to, I can ask her to play. About 50% of the time, she'll agree.

I know far more single women locally than men.


Agreed.

Ullr told me he doesn't want to play with other people for a while, because he's burned out on having to keep the needs, desires, limits and kinks of so other girls in mind instead of just focusing on us. The only other girl he's still gonna play with is a 20 year old going to a nearby college, he's sorta mentoring (and keeping occupied during the long school year away from Denver).

Never seen guys find casual play as easily as in Colorado.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/12/2015 10:30:26 PM   
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LOL . I hear houses rental prices went sky rocketing in CO. After the legalization of the use of pot,

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 2:27:14 AM   
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Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it.

This is the weirdest question ever!

Especially if you identify as a dominant.

Define paying?

There are many men who don't hire pros to make their fantasies come true. They connect with regular women, and make things happen.


Yeah, it never ceases to amaze me either that there are men in this world who begrudge what few advantages others might have than themselves.
There are always trade-offs, and any man who thinks life is such a breeze for women, is terribly naïve and lacking in basic streetsmarts.

Now, I haven't looked at OP's profile, but there are many Doms who pine for the "old-fashioned" relations between men and women, e.g. 1950s Household stay-at-home housewife deal, only they expect their female partner to fulfill all of her *wifely* obligations without their manning up to the Head of Household part they are supposed to play as provider.
Just another maleDom with his nouveau/contemporary twist on What's Yours Is Mine, and What's Mine Is Mine. But, I digress. . . .

How dare a woman get "unearned" privileges that he should be entitled to instead??? Unthinkable.


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Mike.....are you serious?

They have tits.....and a vagina.

This is kind of a rocks/paper/scissors kind of thing except.....pussy and vagina wins every time.

(Any questions?)

I swear Lookie, you are unofficially one of my favorite forum mascots! (Stated in the most respectful of ways.)

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 2:37:43 AM   
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It seems like it's easier for women because they have more opportunities and it's free.

Most men with really good social and communication skills have just as much opportunities, and they also have the choice to choose women who can pay their own.

I think your experience is isolated to you.

If you don't want to pay, you're gonna need charm, charisma, good looks, a personality and character that will melt any woman's heart, etc etc, women will even pay for you.

But it's the same for women right? The more attractive she is, inside and outside, more men will move mountains to get it with her.

It's also demand and supply. Perhaps too many men like yourself are willing to pay for it, just to get it, which attracts women who wants to be paid to you. You also got send out the right energy to attract the right women.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 5:28:39 AM   
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Since some of the people who played with your friend, were men and they did not pay her, I would suggest that maybe you might find more opportunities if you go to local events. Perhaps then you will get invited to private play parties, and then you could have a chance for more frequent and varied experiences.


This.

So, what did these men have/do that is different from what you offer/do? THAT is the question.


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Most men with really good social and communication skills have just as much opportunities, and they also have the choice to choose women who can pay their own.

I think your experience is isolated to you.

If you don't want to pay, you're gonna need charm, charisma, good looks, a personality and character that will melt any woman's heart, etc etc, women will even pay for you.


This, too.

And something else. Time and reputation/familiarity.

Let me explain.

The men who I know who get the most sex and play with ALL the ladies are those who put in their time. They come to local events. They learn at least one skill VERY well. They offer play and do not push for sexuality. They flirt and charm, but never pressure. They become well-known and well-liked by men and women. They craft their reputation. They are there for people. They refer to others, when it's not a good fit. They are...

Human.

Yeah.

And they get sex.

Like my friend, LovingMaster74. He is 71 years old. He is ugly like a bridge troll. He is married to a beautiful woman. And he gets all the play he has. His last 4-year relationship was with a girl who is now 32.

He does not pay for sex. He does not need to. It's offered. And he makes it worth their while.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 9:00:14 AM   
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The men who I know who get the most sex and play with ALL the ladies are those who put in their time. They come to local events. They learn at least one skill VERY well. They offer play and do not push for sexuality. They flirt and charm, but never pressure. They become well-known and well-liked by men and women. They craft their reputation. They are there for people. They refer to others, when it's not a good fit. They are...

It's also a heck of a lot of this. Riggers/rope tops, good ones, never have a problem finding people who want to be tied. Wax comes in pretty high on the list as well. Fire play tops tend to do very well. Needle play can go either way depending on what kind of bottoms happen to be at whatever you're attending.

OP, I think it's only fair to mention that I get the impression that you and I come from different viewpoints. When you ask about wild, crazy adventures, you're including the element of physical sex and I'm not. The best descriptor for me is that I'm demisexual, so I'm generally not interested in the one offs that are going to include orgasms via physical contact. I'm not saying that you are wrong for wanting what you want. It's just that we're different.

I double checked your location and I see why you might be running into the pay for play thing that you are. There's a lot of money exchange where you are because you've got more than average number of people trying to make a buck. Products, services, time, etc, etc, etc. I didn't come up in kink that way, so when I lived in your state (about four and a half hours away from you) that was very weird to me. Will I pay someone to make a flogger? Absolutely. Will I pay someone to let me use it on them? I just try really hard not to laugh.

A male D/top type in your area, I have to agree with these other folks. Reputation, skill, and social ability are the things that are going to help you. I want to wish you the best of luck.


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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 9:57:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I double checked your location and I see why you might be running into the pay for play thing that you are.


Actually, I think there are enough events in the LA community that if you attend and get to know the community, you can get the women to play or scene with you at public events. (His Tallness frequently had women approach him to play...even after we were together)

Since most of the clubs/events do not allow sex (it changes the venue from social club to swingers club in the eyes of the law) - the number of women willing to perform sex acts with a stranger won't be very high.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 10:23:21 AM   
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I actually learned quite a bit from a few posters and some people who emailed me. I've had some interesting emails from people. This is what I'm taking away as an educational experience:

1. Women are geared different then men. A man can talk to a woman for 5 minutes and have sex with her or do a scene. However, a woman needs to get to know the man first. So even if all these strangers approach her she isn't interested in them because she doesn't know them. (Generally speaking women are like this but not all.)
2. It's the same with dating sites. She can receive 100 emails but not be attracted to any of them. She would have to put in the time, energy and effort to get to know one before she is interested.
3. There are men who are "charming" out going and can easily approach women and be self-confident and self-assured. They don't have any difficulties approaching women. However, they always seem to approach the more attractive women. And the women who have "smarts" will realize that once he is done charming her, he will go charm another.
3. As far as a quality relationship is concerned, it's difficulty equal for both.
4. Generally speaking, people are self-centered and self-absorbed and can't even see beyond their own nose. Many are very good at focusing on the other person until they get what they want.
5. When a man pays a woman the boundaries are very clear. As a famous celebrity once said, "I don't pay women for sex. I pay them to go away."
6. If a woman accepts a stranger to do a scene or sex, the boundaries are fuzzy. She doesn't know what she may be getting into. The man might not let her go. He might begin to stalk her.
7. From a man's perspective it looks like it's easier for a woman but from a woman's perspective it isn't. When she says "no" the man can act crazy and aggressive. She constantly has to have her guard up and she is "pushing men away."
8. One person who emailed me said that drugs (pot, alcohol, etc) play a part in people's behavior. There are a lot of people who do things who regret it the next day. So even if you see A. Man approaches woman B. They chat for a while C. They do a scene and/or sexual act. Many times the next day they are banging their head against the wall saying, "Why in the hell did I do that for?!"

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 10:53:32 AM   
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8. One person who emailed me said that drugs (pot, alcohol, etc) play a part in people's behavior. There are a lot of people who do things who regret it the next day. So even if you see A. Man approaches woman B. They chat for a while C. They do a scene and/or sexual act. Many times the next day they are banging their head against the wall saying, "Why in the hell did I do that for?!"


OR saying... "Consent violation!"

That's going around our community right now. Drinking/buzzing and playing is a HARD limit for me.

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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 10:56:02 AM   
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Actually, I think there are enough events in the LA community that if you attend and get to know the community, you can get the women to play or scene with you at public events. (His Tallness frequently had women approach him to play...even after we were together)

Since most of the clubs/events do not allow sex (it changes the venue from social club to swingers club in the eyes of the law) - the number of women willing to perform sex acts with a stranger won't be very high.

Agreed but I tend to think that's the *after* part. It's after the community gets to know you that the situation changes a bit and comes around. It takes a little while to do that. We've moved to new locations four times and they've all been different. I want to lean towards saying that bigger kink communities have more options for events but because they are bigger, it can be harder to get to know people.

I'm basing some of this based on how this goes for MP compared to myself. For the most part, we go to the same venues, meet the same people, both have the cool toy collection, etc. Nine times out of ten, I'm going to be the first of the two of us to manage pick up play. I do attribute a large chunk of that to being female.


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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/13/2015 12:16:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven
I actually learned quite a bit from a few posters and some people who emailed me. I've had some interesting emails from people. This is what I'm taking away as an educational experience:

For what it's worth, OP, I'd like to tell you how nice it is that you came back to the thread specifically to say that. The fact that you concentrated on what you learned is really encouraging.


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1. Women are geared different then men. A man can talk to a woman for 5 minutes and have sex with her or do a scene. However, a woman needs to get to know the man first. So even if all these strangers approach her she isn't interested in them because she doesn't know them. (Generally speaking women are like this but not all.)
2. It's the same with dating sites. She can receive 100 emails but not be attracted to any of them. She would have to put in the time, energy and effort to get to know one before she is interested.
3. There are men who are "charming" out going and can easily approach women and be self-confident and self-assured. They don't have any difficulties approaching women. However, they always seem to approach the more attractive women. And the women who have "smarts" will realize that once he is done charming her, he will go charm another.

From my personal perspective (I'm trying to avoid generalizations for women and men) I would have to say this is true in my case. Familiarity is very big with me.

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3. As far as a quality relationship is concerned, it's difficulty equal for both.

I agree with this as well. Especially for monogamous people. You really have to sync up if you are going to have the one relationship, the only play partner, a single sexual partner. Look for the highest compatibility factor you can get and that takes a while.

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4. Generally speaking, people are self-centered and self-absorbed and can't even see beyond their own nose. Many are very good at focusing on the other person until they get what they want.

I'll readily cop to that. If I am topping (BDSM sense) I am there to get what I want out of S/m play. Hopefully, I will come across the bottom who will get as much out of it as I will and when it's over, all parties got what they came for within what's been negotiated.

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5. When a man pays a woman the boundaries are very clear. As a famous celebrity once said, "I don't pay women for sex. I pay them to go away."
6. If a woman accepts a stranger to do a scene or sex, the boundaries are fuzzy. She doesn't know what she may be getting into. The man might not let her go. He might begin to stalk her.

Nothing is perfect but for sceneing, this is why folks have to try to minimize the "fuzzy" with negotiation skills. I do happen to think it sucks that people have to specify things like no sexual contact, yet that is the kink world we live in. Other areas of life? The majority of human interaction, people don't have to say the words "you do not have my consent to sexually violate me". I think it's kind of sad that some folks don't look at that more closely.

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7. From a man's perspective it looks like it's easier for a woman but from a woman's perspective it isn't. When she says "no" the man can act crazy and aggressive. She constantly has to have her guard up and she is "pushing men away."

As the saying goes, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. There are advantages and disadvantages to all of the different perspectives.

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8. One person who emailed me said that drugs (pot, alcohol, etc) play a part in people's behavior. There are a lot of people who do things who regret it the next day. So even if you see A. Man approaches woman B. They chat for a while C. They do a scene and/or sexual act. Many times the next day they are banging their head against the wall saying, "Why in the hell did I do that for?!"

On top of what Nookie said for some of it (because darn near all kink communities in all locations have had consent violation issues in the last few years or so) there is a lot going on for this particular part. If anybody out there is living where the kink community hasn't had something in the consent violation territory in the past five years, please let me know because I want to move there. I would enjoy the peace and quiet.

When MP and I knew we were doing another cross country move and coming here, I did what I always do. I scoped out the kink climate for our next destination. After doing the research, I just looked at MP and said it was not going to be in our best interest to do any private play for a good while until we had a very good grip on the situation here. Go to the club? Fine? People come home? No way.


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RE: Free VS. Paid - 10/17/2015 7:58:24 AM   
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this was your question: What about a woman's perspective? Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it.


me answer is : Most people don't really care when the little head is doing the navigating what the other persons perspective is, so going to an event is not easy, constantly having to decide if your interested or not... Women pay for it in ways men don't have to.... lol

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