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J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 5:54:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?

you can also put it this way, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS




OsideGirl -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 6:47:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I say this having years of experience in the field behind me Miss, strippers are much more attracted to Bulls

The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you wish to project your "You're a Goddess" fantasy onto every woman....whether they want it or not.

The strippers were just an example of what you do. Another example is your view that my submissive friend that Pro-Dommes to pay for grad school, should just deal with the fact that guys like you behave like you when outside of that conext.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 6:47:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

Most posters? Most means the majority with the exception of a few.
And much higher quality "posting standard". Not only higher , but much higher Is it all about posting OR it is about discussion?



That wasn't the compliment to the other posters you took it to be. It's more a matter of you setting the bar extremely low.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

Would you then mind explaining to me what is a high posting standard, I'm serious.



Higher posting standard: posts that provoke interesting thoughts, new ideas, or contribute in some way to an intriguing debate.

As opposed to your posts mainly being: mindless drivel that serves no purpose, nor provokes thought, nor contributes new ideas, but seem to be primarily intended to annoy people, be confrontational without a reason, or to chatter mindlessly.



check mate in 1
if it was not to the complement of other posters, the ONLY other probability left for consideration is , it was to my denunciation. Why? because i mistakenly used the word "here" instead of "there" I meant to say you are always there to either kick or save my ass.
like the phrase " you are always there for me". unfortunately you did not attempt any correction, and thought I meant you are always online. right? this is why your reply came so defensive stating you are a house wife. I rarely log off, but it does not mean I am here 24/7.
Ye,t your definition of high posting standard was based on 1st prejudice, 2nd your bias of opinion. the emphasis was on " as opposed to my standard" I'd hold that in higher esteem if you said that is your opinion, which i am sure it is not. however ,no problem, lets say what you stated was honest .

yepper




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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Surely you've read more than enough posts on CS where people have adamantly stated that setting up a /s for failure isn't being a responsive or responsible D??
Many a time I have seen posts that say the D should be responsible for the success of the /s.
Many insta-doms have been ridiculed for setting up a /s for failure.

It takes just as much cognitive responsibility on the /s as the D to realise that they are being setup for failure.
And I didn't say you should get out of your marriage - that would be your spin on it, not mine.
And generally speaking, being a top or bottom implies consensual play.
Again, your spin, not mine.

Any true punishment (as in, non-consensual) is considered abuse anywhere in the western world and carries a legal penalty if reported.
Now funishment is entirely different... it is consensual. Even in those cases, if the one being punished raises a complaint, the funishment, if not stopped instantly, becomes a non-consensual abuse.


Lastly, I wasn't replying to you.



this user responded to my post, and lets say his posting standard is as low as mine, otherwise he would not respond if he thought he would lower his "posting standard" BTW I like this new term. and even though this user has clearly stated that he was not replying to you. malgré tout ça , Being the ultimate poster, you gave up your very high "posting standard" and accepted a lower one. you jumped into my low " posting standard" conversation with others knowing it is of lower quality.
you have one more move
mate in 1




UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 7:33:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

because i mistakenly used the word "here" instead of "there" I meant to say you are always there to either kick or save my ass.




Huh? What? That's completely irrelevant to anything I said.
I didn't even notice your mistake (if it wasn't a mistake at all, because I think either one works to convey the meaning you were trying to get across).

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

unfortunately you did not attempt any correction, and thought I meant you are always online. right?



Nope, that wasn't my assumption at all.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

this is why your reply came so defensive stating you are a house wife.



Why would stating I'm a housewife be defensive? It's just a fact that explains how come I've got so much time to post at weird times. Nothing more, nothing less.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

Ye,t your definition of high posting standard was based on 1st prejudice, 2nd your bias of opinion.



Of course my definition of a higher posting standard is based on my own prejudice and biases.
Please do tell me how I go about forming an opinion on a subject not factually measurable, or testable, that's not at all based on biases and prejudice.
Everybody's opinion regarding everything are always necessarily based on their own biases and prejudice.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

I'd hold that in higher esteem if you said that is your opinion



I don't need to say "in my opinion". Of course it's my damn opinion, I'm the one who said it. I ain't going to post stuff that's not my opinion, so you can make the fairly safe assumption that when I post something... it's my opinion... duh.


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

this user responded to my post, and lets say his posting standard is as low as mine, otherwise he would not respond if he thought he would lower his "posting standard" BTW I like this new term. and even though this user has clearly stated that he was not replying to you. malgré tout ça , Being the ultimate poster, you gave up your very high "posting standard" and accepted a lower one. you jumped into my low " posting standard" conversation with others knowing it is of lower quality.
you have one more move
mate in 1


That doesn't even make sense.

Nowhere in my definition I gave you about what constitutes a higher posting standard did I say anything about it being related to whom a person replies to. What it depends on is how intelligent a post is, whether it contributes to the debate, and whether it provokes new ideas in the readers.

People's posting standards don't go up and down based on the idiocy of the people they reply to.
Your last post (the one I'm currently replying to) was a bunch of mostly incoherent dysfunctional illogical gibberish. Posting that sort of nonsense and making unfounded, bizarre, and illogical arguments (as you're prone to doing) detracts from your posting standards, because it emphasizes how little intelligent debate you bring to the table.

Somebody else (freedomdwarf, me or anybody else) replying to your nonsense to point out in a logical constructive way that it is indeed nonsense doesn't detracts from their posting standard at all, because they ARE bringing something to the table. In fact, when it's a witty, especially well-thought out rebuttal of your nonsense, and the reply makes several good points that aren't obvious at first glance, such a reply might very well elevate their posting standards.




MikeRaven -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 7:33:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?

you can also put it this way, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS



Why would you point out that you and the other poster ARE NOT AMERICAN? You did it in capital letters so is there some sort of hidden meaning? What exactly are you trying to say? It would be the same thing if I pointed out that YOU ARE CAUCASION




UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 7:34:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?

you can also put it this way, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS



Why would you point out that you and the other poster ARE NOT AMERICAN? You did it in capital letters so is there some sort of hidden meaning? What exactly are you trying to say? It would be the same thing if I pointed out that YOU ARE CAUCASION



Neither am I, BTW. And completely coincidental, I happen to be Caucasian as well.




TieMeInKnottss -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 8:01:36 PM)

Honestly, this is not a "female Dom" only issue. I find that many male doms also lose interest fairly quickly. It is a little different as a female sub...male doms will pursue you..convince you that they are ready for all that is required...problem is...once they "win" and you capitulate, there is no challenge and they move to the next challenge. Also, many have a fantasy idea (not a sex fantasy ...)and real life intrudes (& sub needs guidance, leadership...) and being the Dom becomes just one more daily chore that they don't want to deal with.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 8:48:59 PM)

now we are talking, if stating you are a house wife was not defensive then it was IRRELEVANT to the subject being discussed. so why would you hijack the whole subject by introducing a sudden compulsive statement that ADDED NOTHING to the table, even tho wives should always bring things to the table, and this should automatically book you a seat at the kiddies table.
and since you are now stating that was your opinion it made things more clearer to me, as for a while I really thought you were talking on behalf of everyone else, Here , take a look, this is what you say. a very high posting standard. ((( incoherent dysfunctional illogical gibberish.nonsense and making unfounded, bizarre, and illogical arguments,how little intelligent debate you bring to the table.nonsense ,your nonsense,)))))) any more descriptive words you could google? I don't think you care about the quality of the topics raised for discussion to the extend you care what could you possibly hustle from innocent guys like notaBULL, listen up Dracula is preaching and talking about guess what , MORALS.
check mate mother fucker If I had come to the party with a gift from Mississippi river I would be regarded as the most intelligent poster , but thanks I will pass, if i wanna give away my money there much better options to do that, like donate it for example to the Good Samaritan Clinic, or to American Cancer Society.
check mate

you list your ethnicity as Caucasian but you are not.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 8:59:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER


quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?

you can also put it this way, WE ARE NOT AMERICANS



Why would you point out that you and the other poster ARE NOT AMERICAN? You did it in capital letters so is there some sort of hidden meaning? What exactly are you trying to say? It would be the same thing if I pointed out that YOU ARE CAUCASION



Neither am I, BTW. And completely coincidental, I happen to be Caucasian as well.

thats a lie YOU ARE NOT CAUCASIAN, I AM. WHY EVERYBODY WANNA BE CAUCASIAN ?




UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 9:05:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

check mate



Sure cupcake. Whatever you say.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

you list your ethnicity as Caucasian but you are not.


Fuck... I must have sent off a Caucasian chick posing as me to go meet all the people from this board who think they've met me.
Accidentally the same one as in all the pics on my profile, here and on Fet, over the years.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 9:21:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

check mate



Sure cupcake. Whatever you say.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

you list your ethnicity as Caucasian but you are not.


Fuck... I must have sent off a Caucasian chick posing as me to go meet all the people from this board who think they've met me.
Accidentally the same one as in all the pics on my profile, here and on Fet, over the years.

am I talking to a stone? I said you are not Caucasian, regardless what your Ethnicity is you are not a Caucasian. Caucasians are the people from South Europe and North Africa. the "Mediterraneans" Mediterranean sea is also called the white sea and you are not one of these people




UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 9:50:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

am I talking to a stone? I said you are not Caucasian, regardless what your Ethnicity is you are not a Caucasian. Caucasians are the people from South Europe and North Africa. the "Mediterraneans" Mediterranean sea is also called the white sea and you are not one of these people


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Cau·ca·sian
kôˈkāZHən/
adjective
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
white-skinned; of European origin.


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Cau·ca·sian (kô-kā′zhən, -kăzh′ən)
adj.
1.
a. Of or relating to a racial group having light-colored skin; white.
b. Of or being a human racial classification distinguished especially by very light to brown skin and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and parts of South Asia. No longer in scientific use.
2. Of or relating to the Caucasus region or its peoples, languages, or cultures.
3. Of or relating to a group of three language families spoken in the region of the Caucasus mountains, including Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian languages.
n.
1.
a. A person having light-colored skin; a white person.
b. A member of the Caucasian racial classification. No longer in scientific use.
2. A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus.
3. The Caucasian language family.


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Caucasian
[kaw-key-zhuh n, -shuh n, -kazh-uh n, -kash-]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective, Also, Caucasic [kaw-kas-ik, -kaz-] (Show IPA)
1.
Anthropology. (no longer in technical use) of, relating to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by fair to dark skin, straight to tightly curled hair, and light to very dark eyes, and originally inhabiting Europe, parts of North Africa, western Asia, and India.
2.
white (def 3):
a brown-haired Caucasian female with a tattoo on her left shoulder.
3.
of or relating to the Caucasus mountain range.
4.
of or related to the non-Indo-European, non-Turkic languages of the Caucasus region.
noun
5.
Anthropology. (no longer in technical use) a member of the peoples traditionally classified as the Caucasian race, especially those peoples having light to fair skin.

6.a white person:
The majority of management positions in the company were filled by Caucasians.
7.
a native of Caucasia.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

In his earlier racial typology, Meiners put forth that Caucasians had the "whitest, most blooming and most delicate skin".[9] Europeans with darker skin he considered "dirty whites", admixed with Mongolians.


You realize words in English often have more than one meaning... right?

And that just because a word in English has multiple meanings, it doesn't mean whatever meaning doesn't suit your purpose is incorrect... right?

And that dictionaries list words in order of more frequent common usage... right?




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 10:17:32 PM)

I will stop here until i get some thing to bring to the table. Bon Appétit




MikeRaven -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 10:29:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

I will stop here until i get some thing to bring to the table. Bon Appétit


And when you come back to the table why did you mention you are not American and you are Caucasian? What significance does this have to do with anything?




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/14/2015 11:23:47 PM)

hey mike I did not mean any offensive implications by saying we were not americans. I am also a recent US citizen. so what i meant was that every body here are almost identical pursuant to the same cultural background they come from. and certainly you asked if me and notaBULL were the same person because you noticed a dramatic contrast between us and the other folks. even though we ( me and notaBULL ) dont share a whole lot in relation to culture or background.




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 10:00:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

Honestly, this is not a "female Dom" only issue. I find that many male doms also lose interest fairly quickly. It is a little different as a female sub...male doms will pursue you..convince you that they are ready for all that is required...problem is...once they "win" and you capitulate, there is no challenge and they move to the next challenge. Also, many have a fantasy idea (not a sex fantasy ...)and real life intrudes (& sub needs guidance, leadership...) and being the Dom becomes just one more daily chore that they don't want to deal with.



Thank you for your opinion and for sticking to the subject Miss, most on here seem to think the forum is some type of amusement park ride where one simply jumps on without paying.




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 10:18:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I say this having years of experience in the field behind me Miss, strippers are much more attracted to Bulls

The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you wish to project your "You're a Goddess" fantasy onto every woman....whether they want it or not.

The strippers were just an example of what you do. Another example is your view that my submissive friend that Pro-Dommes to pay for grad school, should just deal with the fact that guys like you behave like you when outside of that conext.


I do not see the fact that I wish to see all Females, whether Sub, Fat, Short, or Domme as Goddesses very damaging to the Future of the Female. I much prefer my vision than what rap music communicates, the lyrics seem to contain lots of references to RAPE.

I think all Ladies belong on a pedestal and I really do not see why you are spending energy debating this.

As for your submissive friend playing the Domme, I only said she could have chosen any other of the million ways to make money, like 99% percent of the population, so obviously, she is unconsciously attracted to Domination. So she might be lying to herself. But then again, even that would be speculation because none of us can read minds, therefore everything we say about others, is mostly speculation.

Do you seriously think that if I met a submissive Lady in a coffee shop then tell her she is not a sub but a Goddess, that she would slap me in the face for making such a comment, and then we would both start a UFC match?

Well, it would be kind of nice if I could get a few slaps in the face from the comment. (Joke)





OsideGirl -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 10:35:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



I think all Ladies belong on a pedestal and I really do not see why you are spending energy debating this.
Because it's about boundaries. You don't care about the boundaries of the women. You only care about your fantasy.

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As for your submissive friend playing the Domme, I only said she could have chosen any other of the million ways to make money, like 99% percent of the population, so obviously, she is unconsciously attracted to Domination. So she might be lying to herself.
Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that you would ignore her boundaries. In fact, it's you justifying ignoring her boundaries.

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Do you seriously think that if I met a submissive Lady in a coffee shop then tell her she is not a sub but a Goddess, that she would slap me in the face for making such a comment, and then we would both start a UFC match?
No, but the reality is that you would be again ignoring her boundaries and making her uncomfortable because of your fantasies.

You either are incapable of seeing or purposefully ignoring the boundaries of others by projecting the dynamics of fantasy onto them. From every post you've made, it appears that this fantasy leads you into a method of interacting with women that is unhealthy. You appear to choose women that don't want you or your dynamic and a definition of slavery that limits any emotional involvement.

It's one thing to choose to be with someone and have that dynamic within your relationship. It's something entirely different to project that dynamic onto every woman.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just seeing some things here that indicate that it would probably be in your best interest to talk to a kink friendly therapist.




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 11:11:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



I think all Ladies belong on a pedestal and I really do not see why you are spending energy debating this.
Because it's about boundaries. You don't care about the boundaries of the women. You only care about your fantasy.

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As for your submissive friend playing the Domme, I only said she could have chosen any other of the million ways to make money, like 99% percent of the population, so obviously, she is unconsciously attracted to Domination. So she might be lying to herself.
Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that you would ignore her boundaries. In fact, it's you justifying ignoring her boundaries.

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Do you seriously think that if I met a submissive Lady in a coffee shop then tell her she is not a sub but a Goddess, that she would slap me in the face for making such a comment, and then we would both start a UFC match?
No, but the reality is that you would be again ignoring her boundaries and making her uncomfortable because of your fantasies.

You either are incapable of seeing or purposefully ignoring the boundaries of others by projecting the dynamics of fantasy onto them. From every post you've made, it appears that this fantasy leads you into a method of interacting with women that is unhealthy. You appear to choose women that don't want you or your dynamic and a definition of slavery that limits any emotional involvement.

It's one thing to choose to be with someone and have that dynamic within your relationship. It's something entirely different to project that dynamic onto every woman.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just seeing some things here that indicate that it would probably be in your best interest to talk to a kink friendly therapist.


Look Osidegirl

I completely understand what you are trying to say. The only possible outcome of this dilemma would be the following coffee shop conversation:

me (Lady, I believe all Women belong on a pedestal)

her (Are you crazy? No they do not, I do not agree.)

me (Well, I think they do.)

her (No! Not at all, I do not belong on a pedestal)

me (Well, I think you do.)

Ok, we did not agree and go our separate ways. What is the big deal?

In a sense, a kink therapist would probably tell me I did not respect her choice or opinions, but this disrespect could not possibly have any negative outcome for the Female in question.

It is like when I used to invite a girlfriend to a restaurant (girlfriend being used as friend, not lover) and the friend would say:

her ( I am paying for my own meal)
me ( no I am paying)

This would go on until I paid. Ok, that shows sings of being a little stubborn, but there was no negative impact on the Female apart from getting a free meal.

If it is that big of a deal Osidegirl, Ok, I will give you the victory on this and apologize to you and your friend for not respecting her choices, but Jeez, Osidegirl, you surely do not let go easily either.





UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 11:12:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I do not see the fact that I wish to see all Females, whether Sub, Fat, Short, or Domme as Goddesses very damaging to the Future of the Female.

if I met a submissive Lady in a coffee shop then tell her she is not a sub but a Goddess


You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

And by telling women on this forum, or the hypothetical woman in the coffee shop, that you do not respect our right to define ourselves, but that you will impose your chosen definitions on us, against our will, wishes and desires, you are sending the clear message that you're the type of Schrödinger’s Rapist who is closer to the "yes he will" than the "no he won't" side of things.

Because you have already shown on multiple occasions that you do not deem female consent necessary. Instead consider yourself entitled to take from women, their self-image, and replace it with your own.

You are blatantly disrespecting the women you claim to adore by refusing to acknowledge THEIR right to define themselves. By saying that you will define a woman as a Goddess against her wishes you are telling her that her humanity, her right to consent and refuse consent, her self-image, and her personal sovereignty mean NOTHING to you. And that you view her as noting more than a 'prop' (in this case a sexual prop even, because you sexual your desire for women to be Goddesses) for you to do with as you wish.

Considering that you are telling the women you meet: "you are not a real person who has the right to identify herself as what she wishes, you are merely a sexual prop on which I can impose whatever fantasy I want." (and that IS what you're saying), are you really surprised that women are reacting negatively?

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/


The sub girl in the coffee shop might not punch you in the face, but she WILL deem you a dangerous Schrödinger’s Rapist from then on, and will attempt to avoid you, and feel threatened enough by you to take special precautions to make sure that you and her are never alone and never in a situation she can't escape.




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