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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I do not see the fact that I wish to see all Females, whether Sub, Fat, Short, or Domme as Goddesses very damaging to the Future of the Female.

if I met a submissive Lady in a coffee shop then tell her she is not a sub but a Goddess

You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

And by telling women on this forum, or the hypothetical woman in the coffee shop, that you do not respect our right to define ourselves, but that you will impose your chosen definitions on us, against our will, wishes and desires, you are sending the clear message that you're the type of Schrödinger’s Rapist who is closer to the "yes he will" than the "no he won't" side of things.

Because you have already shown on multiple occasions that you do not deem female consent necessary. Instead consider yourself entitled to take from women, their self-image, and replace it with your own.

You are blatantly disrespecting the women you claim to adore by refusing to acknowledge THEIR right to define themselves. By saying that you will define a woman as a Goddess against her wishes you are telling her that her humanity, her right to consent and refuse consent, her self-image, and her personal sovereignty mean NOTHING to you. And that you view her as noting more than a 'prop' (in this case a sexual prop even, because you sexual your desire for women to be Goddesses) for you to do with as you wish.

Considering that you are telling the women you meet: "you are not a real person who has the right to identify herself as what she wishes, you are merely a sexual prop on which I can impose whatever fantasy I want." (and that IS what you're saying), are you really surprised that women are reacting negatively?

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

The sub girl in the coffee shop might not punch you in the face, but she WILL deem you a dangerous Schrödinger’s Rapist from then on, and will attempt to avoid you, and feel threatened enough by you to take special precautions to make sure that you and her are never alone and never in a situation she can't escape.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


In a sense, a kink therapist would probably tell me I did not respect her choice or opinions, but this disrespect could not possibly have any negative outcome for the Female in question.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I would never lift a finger on a Lady. WHAT ARE YOU INSANE?

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

In a sense, a kink therapist would probably tell me I did not respect her choice or opinions, but this disrespect could not possibly have any negative outcome for the Female in question.


This would go on until I paid. Ok, that shows sings of being a little stubborn, but there was no negative impact on the Female apart from getting a free meal.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I would never lift a finger on a Lady. WHAT ARE YOU INSANE?

Listen closely to me cupcake:

I am not saying that you would ever harm a woman.

What I'm saying is that the woman you're dealing with DOESN'T KNOW if you will harm her or not, and that unlike you -a man- she's used to always assuming the worst to protect herself from harm from men.

So if you go sending out signals that you do not care about a woman's consent... even in such a small matter as calling her a Goddess against her wishes... what you're doing showing yourself to be a risk to her EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT.

It doesn't matter if you would really harm her or not... the fact is that there are plenty of men who would harm her, and she, for her own protection, needs to make sure that she stays away from those men.

She does that by judging the "creep" factor of every guy she deals with. And guys who show that they do not care about a woman's consent when it comes to self-identity get awarded a higher creep factor that those guys who show that they do care about consent... even IF we're wrong about which guy should get which creep factor, that's still the way we're going to do it, because in the end, you're Schrödinger’s Rapist and we don't know for sure who is the creep and who is not, so we judge based on what you show us. If you show us that you don't care about our consent, we're going to assume you're a creep. It really is that simple.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

In a sense, a kink therapist would probably tell me I did not respect her choice or opinions, but this disrespect could not possibly have any negative outcome for the Female in question.


This would go on until I paid. Ok, that shows sings of being a little stubborn, but there was no negative impact on the Female apart from getting a free meal.

The negative thing that comes out of both these exchanges is that you show the woman in question that you do not care about her wishes, don't care about her desires, and don't care about about her consent.

The way that's negative to her is by making her feel ignored yet again, told yet again that her wishes and desires are irrelevant, making her feel yet again like she's nothing more than an object, and making her feel yet again like she's not safe (even with the guy she thought was a "nice" guy at first).

You see a free meal and think: "what harm could it do?" she experiences having her wishes, desires, and emotions yet again being invalidated (and this time by a guy who claims to be submissive even).

The way that's negative to you is because you just made sure that however well the evening went, and however much she liked you at first, she'll walk away liking you a little less and she'll now be a little bit more cautious about you in the future, because you've just shown her that you will force her to accept your own desires above her own, no matter what, and that you will not relent until you get your way, even if it's against her explicit wishes.

Is that the message you want to be sending?

Because whether you mean it or not (and I fully believe you have good intentions and don't mean to send that message) that IS still the message you are sending.

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


In a sense, a kink therapist would probably tell me I did not respect her choice or opinions, but this disrespect could not possibly have any negative outcome for the Female in question.

So, your view is "fuck her feelings, it couldn't possibly been that bad" along with (in the case of my friend) "She really wants it, she's just in denial".

And yeah, I'm not letting it go because this "lifestyle" is about consent. Your fantasies are ruling how you interact with the world and it's not healthy for you and it's disrespectful to the women you do it to.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I will stop seeing all Ladies as Goddesses.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I will stop seeing all Ladies as Goddesses.

You don't even have to stop seeing them as Goddesses. It's fine if you want to admire, respect and adore women.

What you need to do is start treating them as Goddesses. Which includes respecting their wishes when they tell you "no", and actually treating them as adult people who can make up their own mind, and make their own choices.

If you start by doing that, there's nothing wrong with you adoring her in private in a way that doesn't force it on her, or makes her feel uncomfortable and pressured.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
Ladypact

Relax, I am not a rapist, if you pursue that path then you belong in an insane asylum

Let it go.

There was no possible negative outcome to wanting to see all Females on a Pedestal.

Now, Ishtar has tamed me and by doing so, there should be an end to this nonsense

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Wrong. There are more people than you that need to read it. As the lady said.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


I do not allow insane people to post stupidity on my turf.

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


I do not allow insane people to post stupidity on my turf.

Just quit it with the insane thing - you're not qualified.

And again, it's not your turf. You don't get to control where the thread goes.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.

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ORIGINAL: MisterP61

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.

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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.

Here is Her post verbatim. Please tell Me where in there She called you a rapist? You probably need to read more and comment less... and as to "allowing" other people to post ANYTHING on a public forum, think again cupcake as Ishtar called you. You really don't want to hear any dissenting opinions that contradict you in any way. Typical wanker IMO.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



I am not qualified. Do you actually think you can win debates against me, come on?

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I have spent my life reading while you spend your days posting in forums.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



And I was always more awaken than other in the first place, it comes from believing in God, the secular ocean is filled with blind fish

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Dude, if I spent five years behind bars, I'd probably spend less time on forums, too.