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UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 5:34:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

same for kajira was not an insult. just a reminder.


A reminder of what? Of my past?

I'm fairly well aware of my past you know... as are most regulars on this board.

But thanks for the reminder I suppose?




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 5:37:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I participated on the FDS message board once in a while, but no I am not thrilled with forums Miss Ladypact, I think it is wasted time. I prefer reading.

I don't blame you. I often prefer to just read, myself. I think mine comes from not wanting to rehash things that have been on kink forums more time than I can remember on BDSM sites. (Things like the difference between a sub and a slave, why are all Dommes pros, only a twue slave will let her Master cut her hand off, etc.)

However, forums might be a good idea for you because you are going to have some obstacles to overcome. More than most male s-types. (I'm not saying that to offend you. I think it's practical.) You're going to be very much in the position of people getting to know you from a personality standpoint. Forums might give you a better chance at doing that. I mean, how well are you doing in the email department? That isn't great for most guys around here in general but forum participation can help you with that.





I accept your constructive criticism Miss LadyPact. I am always willing to improve myself. Yes I know I am very stubborn, After all I am a Taurus and I was born in the most dangerous district of Montreal where I had to fight practically every day, until I decided to learn martial arts, then nobody bothered me anymore.

I did give victory to OsideGirl and to Ishtar today, so this proves I can back down if I am wrong.





littleclip -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 5:44:31 PM)

notaBULL just a note to you LadyPact is most definatly not a miss she is a Lady of leather traditions and asadist and most importantly Domme please remember to use the proper titles




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 5:53:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

quote:

ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

same for kajira was not an insult. just a reminder.


A reminder of what? Of my past?

I'm fairly well aware of my past you know... as are most regulars on this board.

But thanks for the reminder I suppose?

I believe, someone like myself who knows nothing of your past is not entitled to remind you of your past. so i was not talking about something completely unknown to me such as your past. well tell you what, i am not gonna tune up my channel to match your frequency.
and no F in way english if your forth language, not in number but perfection.




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 5:54:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littleclip

notaBULL just a note to you LadyPact is most definatly not a miss she is a Lady of leather traditions and asadist and most importantly Domme please remember to use the proper titles



Oh! So Sorry.

Thank you for the advice littleclip

My apologies to Lady LadyPact




LadyPact -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 6:00:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I accept your constructive criticism Miss LadyPact. I am always willing to improve myself. Yes I know I am very stubborn, After all I am a Taurus and I was born in the most dangerous district of Montreal where I had to fight practically every day, until I decided to learn martial arts, then nobody bothered me anymore.

I did give victory to OsideGirl and to Ishtar today, so this proves I can back down if I am wrong.

I know. You've done it with me several times as well.

The boards aren't a fight though. Sure, people say things aggressively at times or sarcasm doesn't covey well, but most of these folks will try to hear your side as well as discuss their own. It's not fighting. It's still an exchange of how different things work for different people.

Granted, if you push (and I do it as well) people will push back. However, most of this stuff can be looked at just the same as folks discussing why they like chocolate ice cream, rather than strawberry. Accept that people like a different flavor than you, while you like your own flavor, it will all go fine. Try to shove the strawberry down the chocolate lover's throat and that doesn't go so well.

People will give you a chance. Just keep in mind what makes you more inclined to give other people a chance.





notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 6:05:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I accept your constructive criticism Miss LadyPact. I am always willing to improve myself. Yes I know I am very stubborn, After all I am a Taurus and I was born in the most dangerous district of Montreal where I had to fight practically every day, until I decided to learn martial arts, then nobody bothered me anymore.

I did give victory to OsideGirl and to Ishtar today, so this proves I can back down if I am wrong.

I know. You've done it with me several times as well.

The boards aren't a fight though. Sure, people say things aggressively at times or sarcasm doesn't covey well, but most of these folks will try to hear your side as well as discuss their own. It's not fighting. It's still an exchange of how different things work for different people.

Granted, if you push (and I do it as well) people will push back. However, most of this stuff can be looked at just the same as folks discussing why they like chocolate ice cream, rather than strawberry. Accept that people like a different flavor than you, while you like your own flavor, it will all go fine. Try to shove the strawberry down the chocolate lover's throat and that doesn't go so well.

People will give you a chance. Just keep in mind what makes you more inclined to give other people a chance.





Yes Miss

Understood.

I will behave now.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 6:08:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleclip

notaBULL just a note to you LadyPact is most definatly not a miss she is a Lady of leather traditions and asadist and most importantly Domme please remember to use the proper titles



Oh! So Sorry.

Thank you for the advice littleclip

My apologies to Lady LadyPact

Enough Irony notaBULL, I think you are a Dom, i bet the farm.




thompsonx -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 7:00:37 PM)

Because of this, the average life span of D/s BDSM relationship tends to be 3 - 6 months.


Mine usually last a couple of hours[:(]




notaBULL -> RE: To want or not to want (10/15/2015 7:25:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleclip

notaBULL just a note to you LadyPact is most definatly not a miss she is a Lady of leather traditions and asadist and most importantly Domme please remember to use the proper titles



Oh! So Sorry.

Thank you for the advice littleclip

My apologies to Lady LadyPact

Enough Irony notaBULL, I think you are a Dom, i bet the farm.


I wish I was a Dom, it would be a lot easier to get Women, but the fact remains, we are what we are by what excites us, and I only get excited by the thought of Ladies being served




cloudboy -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 3:04:58 PM)

Well, the real question is: have the interested male and female met in person, and how did they get along? That's step one (1). Step two (2) is, can the couple sustain their compatibility after the initial meeting?

As other have indicated, the meat and potatoes is much more important than the sizzle of D/S.

As for "sub males," its not like wanting a dishwasher or a maid, an actual man with a personality, background, and interests comes attached to the sexual orientation. Those regular characteristics are more important for dating and LTRs.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 5:40:35 PM)

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Step two (2) is, can the couple sustain their compatibility after the initial meeting?

As other have indicated, the meat and potatoes is much more important than the sizzle of D/S.


Compatibility is not sustainable. It is either there or NOT.
As for the other statment I obsolutly agree. Meat , potatoes and beer in the fridge.




shiftyw -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 5:45:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.


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If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.






QFT

Holy shit Ishtar! [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]




Lucylastic -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 6:01:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.


quote:

If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.






QFT

Holy shit Ishtar! [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]

Im wondering how well this article will go down in P&R:)




shiftyw -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 6:06:49 PM)

Its a really good article.

It speaks to "no response IS the response" too.

I'm sure it'd go over like a lead balloon though.




J0K3ER -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 6:12:25 PM)

 (disproportionate response)
That's kinky[&:]




seekingreality -> RE: To want or not to want (10/16/2015 10:20:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

When Dominant Females claim they want submissive males, are they really sure they want that, the feedback I am getting is that they get bored of these men very quickly, so what is the solution here?



The solution is simple to me (even if doing it is not simple): Look for someone who has compatible interests, values and who you would enjoy dating in a vanilla relationship. Focus on finding a connection with a person rather than focus on the kink.




M38284 -> RE: To want or not to want (10/17/2015 6:49:42 AM)

@all

I'd love if we could start a nominations tradition... of nominating specific posts for inclusion in a "Best of..." focusing on the positive, informative posts that our amazing members make.

Any feedback on positive or negative things I might be missing?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.


quote:

If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.






QFT

Holy shit Ishtar! [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]

Im wondering how well this article will go down in P&R:)





UllrsIshtar -> RE: To want or not to want (10/17/2015 10:57:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You are Schrödinger’s Rapist.


quote:

If you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem.

There’s a man with whom I went out on a single date—afternoon coffee, for one hour by the clock—on July 25th. In the two days after the date, he sent me about fifteen e-mails, scolding me for non-responsiveness. I e-mailed him back, saying, “Look, this is a disproportionate response to a single date. You are making me uncomfortable. Do not contact me again.” It is now October 7th. Does he still e-mail?

Yeah. He does. About every two weeks.

This man scores higher on the threat level scale than Man with the Cockroach Tattoos. (Who, after all, is guilty of nothing more than terrifying bad taste.) You see, Mr. E-mail has made it clear that he ignores what I say when he wants something from me. Now, I don’t know if he is an actual rapist, and I sincerely hope he’s not. But he is certainly Schrödinger’s Rapist, and this particular Schrödinger’s Rapist has a probability ratio greater than one in sixty. Because a man who ignores a woman’s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well.

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

This post deserves quoting just in the hopes more people will read it. Thank you, Ishtar, for providing the links.






QFT

Holy shit Ishtar! [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]

Im wondering how well this article will go down in P&R:)


Thanks y'all.

I just want to point out that I didn't write the article. I just applied it to the poster in question after finding it in a post on K&P on Fetlife, so the thanks go to Kate Harding, for explaining the issue with such a brilliant analogy.

As for P&R, I'm staying out of that mess. But feel free to start a thread there about it if you please Lucy.




LadyPact -> RE: To want or not to want (10/17/2015 11:43:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: M38284

@all

I'd love if we could start a nominations tradition... of nominating specific posts for inclusion in a "Best of..." focusing on the positive, informative posts that our amazing members make.

Any feedback on positive or negative things I might be missing?

Well, there's the copyright issue. By your own ToS, anything posted here belongs to BitLove, so it kind of gets messy with other people's work. Isn't that exact reason why folks have to link, rather than reprint articles that come from, say, the New York Times?

The problem in this situation would be, one of 'our amazing members' didn't write the piece. It was 'borrowed' from someone else. Just because someone liked something enough to reprint it here, doesn't mean that copyright infringement no longer applies.

Why not focus on original writings, only?







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