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Lucylastic -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 7:28:16 AM)
cmon it was sanity's favourite place to quote... how slightly left of center was he?

Kirata -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:02:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Of course, you can continue claiming this obviously biased academic who is clearly pushing his own agenda is an objective source if you please. Mr Groseclose apparently doesn't bother to hide his political bias so why you should try to do so is a bit of a mystery to me. So you would reject the findings of a study if it was conducted by a Liberal? Yeah, no. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Whatever the case, it's your credibility (and Groseclose's) that is the issue here, not mine. For as long as you peddle such biased rubbish as "objective science" that credibility will suffer accordingly and you will earn every bit of the derision you receive. I'm not in Groseclose's pocket, but so far all you've posted is hot air and insults. Can you cite any studies that materially differ in the way they rank the various media outlets? K.

mnottertail -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:04:20 AM)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/

Lucylastic -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:13:37 AM)
I didnt watch the debate until early this morning. I was expecting Not much. I came away surprised Chafee ,Webband O Malley leave me cold, bernie or hilary...still not made up my mind.... Still much less schlock than the repub debates...

thompsonx -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:30:02 AM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 "income inequality" is a cry of the envious and rather than serve to create a motivation to achieve (the mindset you alluded to), it rather creates a mindset where the left is motivated to take from others, and feel it is their right to do so. "income inequality" is a cry of the envious and rather than serve to create a motivation to achieve, it rather creates a mindset where the rich are motivated to take from the not rich and feel it is their right to do so. it also serves to get the liberals votes. its a part of their victimology methodology---which of course can be best "fixed" by larger more intrusive government, aka government force. It also serves to get the rich more votes as part of their victimology methodology--which of course can best be fixed by larger more intrusive government aka government force. I suppose it helps if you believe that the successful only got to where they are, unscrupulously so, and on the backs of the little people they used, and are mercilessly crushing, along the way. How could a slave owner possibly make any money when all he got was free labor from his slaves. How can the rich possibly make any money when all they get is government handouts?

Greta75 -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:31:21 AM)
I'm still watching in stages! It's damn long! Would it be very radical if free community college is only available for African Americans? After all, they say 55% jobless rate for African American people according to Bernie Sanders, means they are the one that needs that needs free education badly! And how about the ones who make it have to give back by going back to counsel, motivate their fellow African American youths, sharing their own stories and their own struggles and how they use this program to make good of themselves. I kinda like the idea of the Bernie Sanders plan to make community colleges free for all Americans. But the issue is the funding. I am looking at his website and everything he talks about is spend spend spend, more free stuffs for everyone, and he claims his gonna make the rich fund all his plans. But no comprehensive tax plan of what kind of tax rate is he talking about? Is he gonna tax the rich 80% or something? Because he said he was also decrease taxes for the middle class. So to decrease middle class and increase it for the rich, which will lead to closely the same amount of money harvested, PLUS fund all his additional free programs. I don't see how the math add up. Unless it's some serious crazy taxes for the rich. He really needs to release some figures.

Lucylastic -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 8:34:06 AM)
and yet you dont expect the same from trump why? is it because his plans are too vague to warrant a further look?

bounty44 -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 9:24:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Would it be very radical if free community college is only available for African Americans? After all, they say 55% jobless rate for African American people according to Bernie Sanders, means they are the one that needs that needs free education badly! And how about the ones who make it have to give back by going back to counsel, motivate their fellow African American youths, sharing their own stories and their own struggles and how they use this program to make good of themselves. community colleges are already very inexpensive, and what with tons of federal financial aid available to most people, they are very affordable. perhaps more importantly, if something (at least something like this) is "free", its not worth much to most of the consumers. ive spent too many years in higher education being surrounded by students who don't give a rip about their education, for, among other reasons, the mere fact that they are not the ones paying for it. one consideration here is the deterioration of public school education. politicians like to talk about "job training" and employers and people in general lament lack of skills/abilities amongst employees, but for the most part, what we are talking about is the ability to do relatively simple math, and to read and comprehend at an upper high school level. too many people are getting out of high school who cannot do that, and high school graduates of today are much less "prepared" than the ones from even a generation or two ago, much less from before then.

thompsonx -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 9:32:16 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Would it be very radical if free community college is only available for African Americans? After all, they say 55% jobless rate for African American people according to Bernie Sanders, means they are the one that needs that needs free education badly! Would it be very radical if we were to expect any sort of sanity out of your post? There was a time in the not too far distant past when comunity college was free to everyone. Now you want to be a racist and restrict it...maybe that shit works in your slaveocracy but it is constitutionally prohibited here. Your post implies that bernie said that blacks have a 55 percent unemployment rate. Without haveing a clue what the black unemployment rate is in the u.s. you feel compelled and competent to state other peoples opinion about your ignorance[8\|]? And how about the ones who make it have to give back by going back to counsel, motivate their fellow African American youths, sharing their own stories and their own struggles and how they use this program to make good of themselves. We do not compell white graduates to do that but in your quest to show how superior you are you think only the black ones should be forced to do it.[8\|] I kinda like the idea of the Bernie Sanders plan to make community colleges free for all Americans. But the issue is the funding. I am looking at his website and everything he talks about is spend spend spend, more free stuffs for everyone, Since you are too ignorant to know that comunity colleges used to be free you want to snivle about where the money will come from. You point to the "free" education that people will recieve. You conveniently fail to mention the education the employer did not have to pay for to train his new employee. For example the university of california was approached by the business and manufacturing community of san diego.The committee wanted the u.c. regents to create a university in san diego so that they would have access to technically trained individuals for the fledgling aircraft industry. They fronted a buttload of money and pressured the u.s. government to donate the land in exchange for getting a university. The first college completed at u.c.s.d. was the revelle college of math and engineering. Since the business comunity is the one who benifits from this educated population why is it not their responsibility to fund it? and he claims his gonna make the rich fund all his plans. But no comprehensive tax plan of what kind of tax rate is he talking about? Is he gonna tax the rich 80% or something? Maybe they do not teach math where you live but consider an 80 percent tax on a billion dollars....that would leave you with a paltry 200 million. When was the last time you spent more than 200 million in a year? Because he said he was also decrease taxes for the middle class. So to decrease middle class and increase it for the rich, which will lead to closely the same amount of money harvested, PLUS fund all his additional free programs. I don't see how the math add up. Unless it's some serious crazy taxes for the rich. He really needs to release some figures. Let me guess....social liberal and fiscal conservative??? Which means talk shit but never pay for a phoquing thing.[:-]

Kirata -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 10:03:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/ Well, that's certainly interesting. Some outlets peg roughly with Groseclose, others not so much. I was surprised to see Drudge to the right of Fox News Channel. But I wonder about the chicken and egg problem. If Drudge gets a reputation as a conservative outlet, as obviously it has done, rightly or not, then more conservatives will be drawn to it, just as liberals are drawn to the outlets on the left side of the line. But which came first, the reputation or the bias? Probably some of each, but a senior Honors thesis submitted to the Department of Political Science at UC San Diego found that when identical news content was attributed to MSNBC, CNN, or Fox News Channel, those media labels alone were enough to provoke in the test subjects a perception (assumption?) of bias, and the magnitude of the differences in perception were impressive. I find it easier to recognize bias in editorials and opinion pieces, less so in news reporting. The bias there often lies (no pun intended) in what's not being reported, and unless you can get a fuller picture from somewhere it's hard to know. Thanks for the link. K.

thompsonx -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 10:09:31 AM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 community colleges are already very inexpensive, What a huge pile of shit...unless you think $4000 a year is inexpensive. http://www.collegecalc.org/colleges/new-york/ and what with tons of federal financial aid available to most people, they are very affordable. I would like to see some sort of validation that more than half of those in college are on the federal dole. perhaps more importantly, if something (at least something like this) is "free", its not worth much to most of the consumers. This would be your ignorant, self serving puerile opinion and not anything more. Just because you do not value the free education you got does not mean that any one else is that stupid ive spent too many years in higher education being surrounded by students who don't give a rip about their education, for, among other reasons, the mere fact that they are not the ones paying for it. Since the overwhelming majority of college students are being supported by their family who exactly is paying for it themselves. one consideration here is the deterioration of public school education. politicians like to talk about "job training" and employers and people in general lament lack of skills/abilities amongst employees, but for the most part, what we are talking about is the ability to do relatively simple math, and to read and comprehend at an upper high school level. too many people are getting out of high school who cannot do that, and high school graduates of today are much less "prepared" than the ones from even a generation or two ago, much less from before then. I can see your point. There are so many who actually get to be adults who have the problems you cite. "ive spent too many years in higher education ..."[8\|]

MariaB -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 10:37:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I come from a different country where this is possible, taxes one of the top lowest in the world, our surpluses are in multi-billions and we have all these programs. I don't know how our government balance our budget and make it happen, but any contractors who wanted government contract over here, usually can't do it for profit. Most are willing to tender at a loss, just to have the job in their resume and earn their profits elsewhere. We even have American companies here tendering for government jobs at huge losses to them. So somehow, our budgeting is really good. The countries who are struggling with this and are charging way higher taxes definitely need to fix their budget and negotiation skills. You have the perfect model of fiscal spending because when taxes are low, private spending goes up. Surpluses isn't something America could aspire to though because of their already large deficit.

bounty44 -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 11:15:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic if you dont think income inequality is an issue, you dont understand the problem. I believe income inequality cannot be solved with welfare. It needs to be solved with instilling a certain resilience never give up mindset and upgrading people with relevant job skills. For people to become rich, it's more of a mindset, hand outs will do nothing to help the situation. So there has to be more comprehensive solution like a department really researching where the jobs are, and how to help these people develop the skills to be place in these jobs, and how these jobs also include opportunities to grow and upgrade and continually move up to increase their skills and salary. greta, here's some further commentary on "income inequality" you might like: "Income Inequality: The Left's Next Big Con" quote: With the possible exception of global warming fraud, it would be difficult to identify another major political issue more dependent upon innumerable, uncontrollable variables than the difference in what two persons might earn or deserve. In the case of both ideological causes, anyone claiming to have measured the variables, predicted them or solved for them in concocting a solution is nothing but a con artist... Theft of rights or property is the primary instrument of left-imposed equality of any sort. The left sees this as necessary because we have equal rights, but not equal individual qualities... If people on the left are unhappy about their lot in life, being rewarded with the inverse of their deficit magically becomes a "right." They believe that it is their right to an equal outcome for unequal output, because that would be more "fair" to them. Sadly, the perpetuation of this equality myth is a direct product of Intellect Inequality. Or perhaps it is Integrity Inequality. To some degree, it is likely both. To the extent any person thinks that the Obama Administration, which thus far has only punished achievement, can magically equalize outcomes, he or she is a nitwit, believing in lies and impossibilities, a carrier of Intellect Inequality... The only way to equalize a financial outcome is by stealing from life's winners to give to life's thieves and crybabies, referred to euphemistically as liberals, or progressives... Somehow, common sense, wisdom and experience are so offensive to the left that they have been banished for generations. In their place, the ugliest aspects of human nature are the left's precious virtues. Greed, envy, resentment, bitterness, jealousy, hatred, anger, covetousness... in a word, entitlement. Every single liberal, progressive scheme is merely the larcenous decision by some that they deserve to take what others have earned... This is the true core of the left. They are the living embodiment, indeed the celebration, of the timeless defects of human nature. In the end, as built upon mountains of lies, inconsistencies, contradictions, and hypocrisy, isn't liberal progressivism simply a cult of thieving losers looking to even the score with those who have surpassed them? It is for these that our magnificent country is being destroyed.... http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/01/income_inequality_the_lefts_next_big_con.html no doubt this will go over well...

Lucylastic -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 12:08:46 PM)
When the authors list of articles reads : Articles & Blog Posts by Jeffrey T. Brown 'Gun Control' Is Actually Conservative Control The Culture Warriors Zero In On Ben Carson Who Could Doubt the President's Obvious Faith? Calls for 'Commonsense Gun Control' Re-Emerge after Virginia Shooting Anything But Evil Gender, Race, and Reality It's Not Race That Divides Us, But Culture By Whom Shall We Be Led - God Or Man? Who is Leading and Financing the Orc Army of the Left? Race and Reaction Which Will We Choose? Our America, or Theirs? A Political Czar for a Political Crisis A Long and Constant War Lives for Votes Did Bowe Bergdahl Purposefully Offer Himself as a Bargaining Chip? Too Busy to be President Zero Tolerance, Evil Objects, and the Psychosis of the Left Progressivism as a Weapon of Mass Destruction Why Mrs. Clinton's Entire History Matters Income Inequality: The Left's Next Big Con The Fight For Hearts And Minds When Rights Become Political Spoils What The Know-Nothings Know How Republicans Can Lose on ObamaCare 'Pretty Good at Killing' Can We Finally Stop Pretending? A Purposeful Assault on Order Thank Allah For Democrats Same Lies, Different Day Washington, D.C.'s 'Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog Rule' Calling it Treason A Swiss Clerk Teaches Us About Racism and Profiteering How Do We Fix Race Relations? 'Stand Your Ground' Against the Left Hate Crimes Indeed Hillary Clinton's Legacy of Scandal A Liberal/Progressive Epiphany Like the IRS Scandal? You'll Love ObamaCare Cultural Warfare Immigration Reform Is about Votes Radicalizing the Military Its worth noting that I am just laughing right now....

Lucylastic -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 12:26:41 PM)
ON the other hand, regular people might see this as a more valid...opinion.. Angus Deaton...Nobel Prize winner for economics, is best known for his detailed work on consumption and poverty for individuals. But in his 2013 book The Great Escape: Health, Wealth, and the Origins of Inequality, Deaton made a short, compelling, and clear case for why income inequality in society as a whole is a threat to democracy — and why worrying about it isn't just class warfare or resentment: quote: The political equality that is required by democracy is always under threat from economic inequality, and the more extreme the economic inequality, the greater the threat to democracy. If democracy is compromised, there is a direct loss of wellbeing because people have good reason to value their ability to participate in political life, and the loss of that ability is instrumental in threatening other harm. The very wealthy have little need for state-provided education or health care… They have even less reason to support health insurance for everyone, or to worry about the low quality of public schools that plagues much of the country. They will oppose any regulation of banks that restricts profits, even if it helps those who cannot cover their mortgages or protects the public against predatory lending, deceptive advertising, or even a repetition of the financial crash. To worry about these consequences of extreme inequality has nothing to do with being envious of the rich and everything to do with the fear that rapidly growing top incomes are a threat to the wellbeing of everyone else. Now you can check out these links to info about Deaton, or you can read ...an internet opinion. I guess it depends on your politics. http://www.ibtimes.com/who-angus-deaton-how-nobel-economics-prize-winners-income-inequality-research-2137557 http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/10/12/nobel-prize-in-economics-who-is-angus-deaton/ http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/angus-deaton-nobel-economics-2015/410170/

thompsonx -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 2:37:36 PM)
ORIGINAL: MariaB You have the perfect model of fiscal spending because when taxes are low, private spending goes up. Surpluses isn't something America could aspire to though because of their already large deficit. It is helpful to note she claims to live in a police state where caining is still a daytime activity due to no "friday nitght lights"

thompsonx -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 2:42:26 PM)
Remembering that all revolutions have come from the middle class. It seems to me that income inequality played a part in a lot of revolutions through history...perhaps it is one of those "recurring themes"

DesideriScuri -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 4:42:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Would it be very radical if free community college is only available for African Americans? Radical? Probably not. Racist? Absolutely. Why would community colleges go along with this? Forget how it's going to be paid for (there is, really, only one way for government to pay for anything, and that's through taxation). How much is it going to cost? Will government set the reimbursement rates? Will anyone be allowed to attend? Will graduation rates matter? Will poor grades by students have any ramifications? quote: After all, they say 55% jobless rate for African American people according to Bernie Sanders, means they are the one that needs that needs free education badly! And how about the ones who make it have to give back by going back to counsel, motivate their fellow African American youths, sharing their own stories and their own struggles and how they use this program to make good of themselves. I kinda like the idea of the Bernie Sanders plan to make community colleges free for all Americans. But the issue is the funding. I am looking at his website and everything he talks about is spend spend spend, more free stuffs for everyone, and he claims his gonna make the rich fund all his plans. But no comprehensive tax plan of what kind of tax rate is he talking about? Is he gonna tax the rich 80% or something? Because he said he was also decrease taxes for the middle class. So to decrease middle class and increase it for the rich, which will lead to closely the same amount of money harvested, PLUS fund all his additional free programs. I don't see how the math add up. Unless it's some serious crazy taxes for the rich. He really needs to release some figures. What are people doing with the educations they already have? If they aren't doing a damn thing with it, what makes anyone think they'll be more likely to do something with more education? How much will students actually learn? It's not like it's their money they're spending. But, even more important than to just offer free education, is to figure out why black unemployment is as high as it is. If it's because they don't have good educations, then that needs to be figured out and addressed. If you give someone new tires on their car but they don't have any gas, they will likely appreciate it, but it still doesn't help them get anywhere.

Greta75 -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 6:38:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic and yet you dont expect the same from trump why? is it because his plans are too vague to warrant a further look? I don't need to expect the same from Trump as he has the experience and track record to rise up from debts. Bernie does not. I know Trump is good at growing money. Trump unlike Bernie has release a comprehensive tax plan too on his website.

Greta75 -> RE: CNN Democrat debate (10/14/2015 6:41:11 PM)
quote: It is helpful to note she claims to live in a police state where caining is still a daytime activity due to no "friday nitght lights" We trust our police officers, and unlike you guys, we believe the police work for us. When they do a bad job or are even rude, we write complain letters to the police department and the police officer is dealt with. It's nothing like you said. Police are there to serve us, and they also have to serve us with a smile and great customer service. Police here are terrified of being complained about. And I approve of caning. We cane the crap out of rapists and child molesters. I think they deserve it.

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