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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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And once again, the only "twue conservative" on the forum uses a left-wing piece that accuses Bush of treason while admitting that there's a distinct possibility that nothing in the 'proof' could be considered enough to charge Bush, Powell or anyone else with a crime, let alone the crime of treason.

Here, and before Thatcherism (the equivalent, this side of the pond, of Reaganism), Ron would probably have been called a 'moderate conservative'. Thatcherism trashed too many conservative tenets to be considered in the same way. Most fundamentally, it ditched pragmatism in favour of ideology - specifically, ultra-authoritarian ideology in the social sphere and ultra-free-market ideology in the economic sphere.

To be clear: This is considered the standard and largely uncontested view. I examine the national exam scripts (A levels, they're called here) of hundreds of 17-18 year olds every year. Basically, if they don't get this right, they fail any essay on the subject.

But, we're not speaking of England, are we?

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Well, we don't seem to have conservatives in this country, only nutsuckers.

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...Fox News broke the monopoly. Like it or not, all news has a statists...big government bias, and up until Fox News came on the scene all the national networks had a liberal or left wing bias...

Claims by liberals that would have went unchallenged on other main stream networks were finally challenged, their bias was finally exposed...

Fox News shattered the precious liberal echo chamber. Liberals, who were so used to never having their views challenged for literally decades, were put in a position where they had to defend their beliefs, and some of them weren’t that good at it, and some of their beliefs were indefensible. In this sense, liberals were the media bully for a long time and finally got a black eye of their own...

And liberals, used to the self assured confidence that comes from never having to actually justify the bullshit you believe, had their world shattered...

[not big on this one, but here it is] Fox News put hot women on the air...In the end, it likely appealed to many men, I know it did to me, that we could find women who were not raging liberal feminazi types, and who wouldn’t spend every moment in a relationship searching for reasons to be offended like hens pecking for seeds in the barn yard.

In the end, I think liberals need to get the fuck over it...There is no difference in the end between Piers Morgan and Bill O’Reilly. Except of course, their ratings. Which is perhaps the real reason why liberals hate Fox News. It’s an ever present reminder that a significant portion of the country thinks they’re wrong, and is willing to say so out loud and in the open now. Fox represents a conservative interest in the world that liberals can no longer shame or shout down or intimidate. That’s got to chap their asses more than a little.

A significant portion of the US public disagrees with you, and does not think New York and California should dictate to the rest of the country how they live their lives and do business. I remember seeing liberals start to hit the roof about this stuff when talk radio came around...

And, if liberals really are so tolerant and non judgmental, I have to wonder at the viciousness of their attacks on people for simply doing what liberals have been able to do for decades...