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RE: Sex Ed Lesson: ‘Yes Means Yes,’ but It’s Tricky - 10/21/2015 3:03:28 PM

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Yeah. Provided you video record not only the consent but the entire sexual experience - since retroactive withdrawal of consent is not only possible but in certain feminist circles actively justified. Basically if a woman LATER decides she wished she hadn't had a sexual encounter - regardless of her enthusiasm at the time - the dude is retroactively declared a rapist.

Never mind that this is isn't about making any laws just yet. Let's take your argument to its logical conclusion. Why bother having an encounter in the first place when you can get the same attention and sympathy by just making shit up?

(Seriously, I wonder how many big-name cases actually came from morning after regrets. It's not that there aren't people who would lie for attention; there are people who injure their own children for attention. It's that someone willing to severely mess up someone's life for funsies doesn't seem like the sort to limit themselves to encounters that actually took place.)

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...One goal is to improve the way colleges and universities deal with accusations of rape and sexual assault and another is to reduce the number of young people who feel pressured into unwanted sexual conduct.

This is where I start to agree with Awareness.

Legally, you need to have clear lines in a legal system. Fuzzy words like "enthusiastic" are going to play merry hell with the system. Often in ways running completely counter to the original intent.

Socially, one of the biggest things I've learned from BDSM is to listen to my bottoms. That requires them to speak up in the first place.

It takes work in the beginning to make sure they feel that they'll be listened to. Communication is all sorts of messed up nowadays. But telling someone that the onus is entirely on their partner to gauge their level of enthusiasm prevents them from developing those skills.

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RE: Sex Ed Lesson: ‘Yes Means Yes,’ but It’s Tricky - 10/25/2015 8:55:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Yeah. Provided you video record not only the consent but the entire sexual experience - since retroactive withdrawal of consent is not only possible but in certain feminist circles actively justified. Basically if a woman LATER decides she wished she hadn't had a sexual encounter - regardless of her enthusiasm at the time - the dude is retroactively declared a rapist.

To say some of the nonsense around "campus rape" is absolutely insane doesn't even scratch the surface.

First, congratulations! I want to wish both of you the best of luck.

With that out of the way, why do you think I'm different than you, or other males, on this plain? Sexual Domination is ridiculously easy. In my personal opinion, the easiest way.

We will have to disagree. This thing that folks try to put up about the morning after regrets, and all else... You can't possibly think that's the whole kettle of fish.

Like everything else, it's a scale. There are militants on both sides. Personally, I think there are people in the middle.

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