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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 12:07:53 PM   
Lucylastic


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And it was prompted by Hillary's statement that she favored "madatory buybacks". Don't you pay attention.

thats YOUR SPIN
YOUR paranoia.. YOUR idiocy
You can ascribe whatever mind reading ability you want, its YOUR opinion...and therefore, irrelevant to the truth

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 12:18:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but thats not what you said, she said.....
what you said
was.
quote:

And it was prompted by Hillary's statement that she favored "madatory buybacks". Don't you pay attention.

thats YOUR SPIN
YOUR paranoia.. YOUR idiocy
You can ascribe whatever mind reading ability you want, its YOUR opinion...and therefore, irrelevant to the truth

And the idea that she doesn't favor them is your spin
Your paranoia
Your idiocy
your opinion
and therefore irrelevant to the truth.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 12:29:11 PM   
Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but thats not what you said, she said.....
what you said
was.
quote:

And it was prompted by Hillary's statement that she favored "madatory buybacks". Don't you pay attention.

thats YOUR SPIN
YOUR paranoia.. YOUR idiocy
You can ascribe whatever mind reading ability you want, its YOUR opinion...and therefore, irrelevant to the truth

And the idea that she doesn't favor them is your spin
Your paranoia
Your idiocy
your opinion
and therefore irrelevant to the truth.

you lied...about what she said...how can you be trusted with fact.


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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 1:23:37 PM   
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There is no pretense, they were illegal when they bought them.

No they reinterpreted the law and made them retroactivly illegal, the state said they were legal when they bought them, then changed their minds.


1) The 1989 CA AWB (Roberti-Roos) bans SKSs with detachable mags, but not SKS with fixed mags.
2) People who already owned detachable mag SKSs registered them.
3) The attorney general, Dan Lungren, says he believes an SKS with a detachable mag does not qualify as an assault weapon under the AWB if it were originally manufactured as a fixed mag SKS.
4)In light of (3), people start buying fixed-mag SKSs and modifying them to detachable, or buying pre-modified (originally fixed, now detachable) SKSs. These rifles, if they really were legal, wouldn't have needed to be registered, since there was no registry for non-AWB long guns.
5)Lungren says he was wrong, these SKSs are not actually exempt from the AWB.
6) The state offers a buyback ($230) for people who bought these illegal guns, believing them to be legal based on Lungren's (now reversed) statements.

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The people who had SKSs with detachable mags before the 1989 Roberti-Roos AWB and registered them never had their guns confiscated or bought back. Those people can, to this day, still legally own those guns. What the buyback was for was illegal guns that were never legal, but which people plausibly thought were legal due to the attorney general's statements.

$230 was a lot of money for those guns in 1999 they are high retail $579 now. They paid somewhere between $88 and $128 for the guns, and were paid for their troubles.

And again, a lie, not retroactively illegal, just a mistake by a republican attorney general in a republican administration.

Unless you are thinking that the nutsuckers are conspiring to take our guns away, and Texas.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 2:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 1989 Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act required registration of “assault weapons” including the SKS Sporter within the state of California. This rifle is a very common military surplus weapon often imported from China. They are popular because they are inexpensive and some models can take standard AK-47 magazines. The Roberti-Roos Act allowed people in California to keep their SKS Sporters, even if they had the detachable magazine, so long as they passed a background check and registered them with the state.

In 1997, Attorney General Daniel Lungren decided that he had changed his mind, after which these same rifles, dutifully registered by many law-abiding gun owners, were no longer legal. No change had occurred in the law; the AG simply changed his mind and with the stroke of a pen, ordered anyone in possession of these rifles to turn them in, ship them out of state, or have them destroyed.

http://www.level-headed.net/2013/05/gun-confiscation-in-america/

If I could figure out how to display an image with this tablet I would have included the letters. You can see them at the link.



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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 3:01:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		not quite, but yeah a nutsucker ag changed his tune when running for governor. thats what they do.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 3:13:25 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but thats not what you said, she said.....
what you said
was.
quote:

And it was prompted by Hillary's statement that she favored "madatory buybacks". Don't you pay attention.

thats YOUR SPIN
YOUR paranoia.. YOUR idiocy
You can ascribe whatever mind reading ability you want, its YOUR opinion...and therefore, irrelevant to the truth

And the idea that she doesn't favor them is your spin
Your paranoia
Your idiocy
your opinion
and therefore irrelevant to the truth.

you lied...about what she said...how can you be trusted with fact.


You don't think her saying she would "consider" something means she thinks it is reasonable? You are intitled to her opinion. To me, and most other people, that means it sounds like a good idea. Since I didn't claim to quote what she said I couldn't have lied about what she said, I just pointed out that she seems to favor it. You, once again, are quick to call things you don't like lies. One big difference between us is that I see people who disagree, and interpret things different than I do as wrong. You have to believe that they have terribley flawed charaters so you don't have to pay attention to what they say.
You said earlier that I put anyone who disagrees with me on hide, implying that you have access to my hide list. If you do someone in management it giving you access to information that you have no right to. If you don't you were talking through your hat.
I have 3 people on hide. 2 who insist on arguing over irrelevant things example for 1 demanding to argue over comparing the Cubans who landed at the Bay of Pigs to cop killers. For the 2nd one trying to prove that the militias didn't kick the butts of the British at Lexinton and Concord. The 3rd refuses to take a stand on anything but constantly talks down to people. I have no one else on hide, even though some go out of their way to be insulting, call everything they don't like a lie, or don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 4:00:10 PM   
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not quite, but yeah a nutsucker ag changed his tune when running for governor. thats what they do.


What I understood or heard back in the day , shortly after the fact, was the deadline to register the listed firearms was extended because of an estimated low compliance rate. Subsequently more people registered their guns. Later because it was said the AG or governing body had no authority to change the terms of the law without a legislative act, the late registrants were sent letters stating they had to turn them in ect.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 5:38:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Give it a little more time and a few more children brutally murdered and I and my like will have your guns… if you don’t submit to the coming new stringent gun laws. Laws brought on by your obstinate views on reasonable gun safety.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 6:52:34 PM   
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Give it a little more time and a few more children brutally murdered and I and my like will have your guns… if you don’t submit to the coming new stringent gun laws. Laws brought on by your obstinate views on reasonable gun safety.

Butch

Surender or else.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 6:54:33 PM   
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Give it a little more time and a few more children brutally murdered and I and my like will have your guns… if you don’t submit to the coming new stringent gun laws. Laws brought on by your obstinate views on reasonable gun safety.

Keeping in mind your definition of "children" as ages 0-18, there are about a thousand of them murdered every damn year, the vast majority with illegal guns. When was the last time you proposed increased penalties for illegal possession of a firearm? Gun owners have. When was the last time you proposed increased funding to pursue and prosecute traffickers in illegal weapons? Gun owners have. When was the last time you proposed fixing and fully funding NICS? Gun owners have.

What have you proposed?

K.


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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:09:18 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Nice picture Bama....





Butch

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:10:53 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		If you have read my posts over the last years you will find I am one of the few that has posted solutions... Then all I get in return is the picture above.

Butch

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:17:01 PM   
Kirata


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Nice picture Bama....



Butch

It does not benefit people with asshole notions about gun owners to be obvious about how nuts they are.

K.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:18:22 PM   
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If you have read my posts over the last years you will find I am one of the few that has posted solutions...

I'm not sure I would agree they were "solutions". I asked you some questions. Are you dodging them?

K.


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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:19:57 PM   
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If you have read my posts over the last years you will find I am one of the few that has posted solutions... Then all I get in return is the picture above.

Butch

I don't know where you got the picture but it wasn't from me.
I have been hearing for 40 years, give us what we want or we will take everything and it will be because you resisted. Sounds more vindictive that responsible to me. You have gotten lots of reasonable responses but you insist on going after legitimate gun owners while we want to go after the criminals. The fact that we don't want to do it the same way you do doesn't, much as you may like to think otherwise, mean we don't care or that we don't want to do anything. It just means that we have different solutions.
Not only has that threat gotten really old but the latest polls show that a majority think we have enough or too many gun laws as it is with a plurality saying it is too many.
Maybe you should stop fighting before you force us to enact universal open carry.

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:23:48 PM   
kdsub


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Butch

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:25:02 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Come on Kirata... you have to admit the gif does fit Bama

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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:26:02 PM   
kdsub


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RE: Nobody wants to take your guns. - 10/27/2015 7:28:04 PM   
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Come on Kirata... you have to admit the gif does fit Bama

Butch

Not only do I not think so. But you posted it as if you were replying to my having done so, a tactic far beneath my opinion of you.

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