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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/22/2015 9:51:42 AM   
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Not a good idea to do, KenKcky. The door can swing both ways. How about with a Democratic Congress issuing a bill forcing states and cities to place tighter firearm restrictions or lose federal dollars. Its cheap politics at its best. And it should....NEVER...take place.

And even without the threat to withold funds if such a law was passed you would call for the imprisonment of those officials who refused to comply.


Since it hasn't happen, there is no need for me to state either way. Yet we are confronted by people from your political party that think jailing Americans who have not broken any actual laws (whose punishment would not be prison time), would serve prison sentences. Just because you do not like something because it goes against your politics is....NOT.....justification to imprison someone. If you allow it under your 'administration', then the Democrats can allow it under theirs.

Kind of like those Clinton Emails. She used the same protocols and systems as the previous administration's Secretary of State, Colin Powell. If what she did was wrong, please explain....in detail....why Republicans are not grilling that guy for a few years? Imagine if Clinton deleted 22 million emails; would Republicans have a cow? Yes, yes they would! Yet, it happened under the former George W. Bush administration. Were are all the investigations?

Now, if you allow this silly and foolish process to move forward, then later, you are allowing Democrats to do the same thing. You will not have any grounds to stand upon.

There is a difference between justice and revenge. You can not seem to understand what it is. Using revenge to 'get even' with others in political matches is a slippy slope to a tyrannical government taking hold. What's next, BamaD? Do we just accuse members of the opposing political party of wrong doing by manufacturing damning 'evidence'?

Oh forgot, your political party did that too just recently....





And when Powell did i it was legal, you are embarassing yourself.

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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/22/2015 4:12:09 PM   
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http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/sanctuary-cities-shield-immigrants/2015/07/09/id/654155/

"These state and local jurisdictions have policies, laws, executive orders, or regulations allowing them to avoid cooperating with federal immigration law enforcement authorities," the center wrote in a July study.

"These [jurisdictions] ignore federal law authorizing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to administratively deport illegal aliens without seeking criminal warrants or convictions from federal, state, or local courts."

San Francisco, for example, passed a law in 1989 called the City and County of Refuge ordinance. That legislation has for decades prohibited city employees from assisting federal immigration enforcement unless compelled by court order or state law, CNN reported.

Many sanctuary laws were passed in the 1980s, when many churches and other organizations sought to provide safe harbor to Mexican and Central American immigrants fleeing violence at home. In some cases, local jurisdictions took such measures when the federal government refused to grant some groups formal refugee status.

Those in favor of sanctuary laws argue that they encourage law-abiding immigrants to work with the police without fear of deportation, while opponents say they provide safe havens for criminals.
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Last week, an illegal immigrant, Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, shot and killed San Francisco woman Kathryn Steinle, 32, as she was walking in public — a seemingly random killing. Lopez-Sanchez had a lengthy criminal history, and had been deported five times. Just this year, city police arrested him on drug charges. ICE wanted to take custody of him and deport him, issuing a detainer in March, however that was not honored by the city.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

The Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act (introduced as Arizona Senate Bill 1070 and thus often referred to simply as Arizona SB 1070) is a 2010 legislative Act in the U.S. state of Arizona that at the time of passage in 2010 was the broadest and strictest anti-illegal immigration measure in a long time.[2] It has received national and international attention and has spurred considerable controversy.[3][4]

U.S. federal law requires all aliens over the age of 14 who remain in the United States for longer than 30 days[5] to register with the U.S. government,[6] and to have registration documents in their possession at all times; violation of this requirement is a federal misdemeanor crime.[7] The Arizona act additionally made it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents,[8] required that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant.[9][10] The law barred state or local officials or agencies from restricting enforcement of federal immigration laws,[11] and imposed penalties on those sheltering, hiring and transporting unregistered aliens.[12] The paragraph on intent in the legislation says it embodies an "attrition through enforcement" doctrine.[13][14]

Critics of the legislation say it encourages racial profiling, while supporters say the law prohibits the use of race as the sole basis for investigating immigration status.[15] The law was modified by Arizona House Bill 2162 within a week of its signing with the goal of addressing some of these concerns. There have been protests in opposition to the law in over 70 U.S. cities,[16] including boycotts and calls for boycotts of Arizona.[17] Polling has found the law to have majority support in Arizona and nationwide.[18][19][20][21] Passage of the measure has prompted other states to consider adopting similar legislation.[22]

The Act was signed into law by Governor Jan Brewer on April 23, 2010.[2] It was scheduled to go into effect on July 29, 2010, ninety days after the end of the legislative session.[23][24] Legal challenges over its constitutionality and compliance with civil rights law were filed, including one by the United States Department of Justice, that also asked for an injunction against enforcement of the law.[25] The day before the law was to take effect, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction that blocked the law's most controversial provisions.[26] In June 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on the case Arizona v. United States, upholding the provision requiring immigration status checks during law enforcement stops but striking down three other provisions as violations of the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.[27]


So when a state is incorrectly involved in immigration (SB 1170) because of the supremacy clause and a city violates the supremacy clause, we should reward the city/area with federal funding. That is basically what I am hearing from some here. Oh, all those illegals who don't have documentation have commited a crime, a misdemeanor, but a crime no less. I just don't understand how it is good for one side to ignore federal mandates while the other side is attempting to enforce them for the fed and those attempting to enforce those federal laws are the only ones wrong.

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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/23/2015 2:53:52 AM   
joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not a good idea to do, KenKcky. The door can swing both ways. How about with a Democratic Congress issuing a bill forcing states and cities to place tighter firearm restrictions or lose federal dollars. Its cheap politics at its best. And it should....NEVER...take place.

And even without the threat to withold funds if such a law was passed you would call for the imprisonment of those officials who refused to comply.


Since it hasn't happen, there is no need for me to state either way. Yet we are confronted by people from your political party that think jailing Americans who have not broken any actual laws (whose punishment would not be prison time), would serve prison sentences. Just because you do not like something because it goes against your politics is....NOT.....justification to imprison someone. If you allow it under your 'administration', then the Democrats can allow it under theirs.

Kind of like those Clinton Emails. She used the same protocols and systems as the previous administration's Secretary of State, Colin Powell. If what she did was wrong, please explain....in detail....why Republicans are not grilling that guy for a few years? Imagine if Clinton deleted 22 million emails; would Republicans have a cow? Yes, yes they would! Yet, it happened under the former George W. Bush administration. Were are all the investigations?

Now, if you allow this silly and foolish process to move forward, then later, you are allowing Democrats to do the same thing. You will not have any grounds to stand upon.

There is a difference between justice and revenge. You can not seem to understand what it is. Using revenge to 'get even' with others in political matches is a slippy slope to a tyrannical government taking hold. What's next, BamaD? Do we just accuse members of the opposing political party of wrong doing by manufacturing damning 'evidence'?

Oh forgot, your political party did that too just recently....


And when Powell did i it was legal, you are embarassing yourself.


Oh, so its 'legal' if a Republican does something illegal, but not if anyone else does it.....

....'got it' Mr. Hypocrite....

If Mrs. Clinton did wrong, then Colin Powell did wrong. Where are all the Republican-led committees, the 24/7 coverage by conservative media, and millions spent in taxpayer 'funded' smear attacks on Mr. Powell? Your political party has a credibility problem.

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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/23/2015 3:27:58 AM   
joether


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So when a state is incorrectly involved in immigration (SB 1170) because of the supremacy clause and a city violates the supremacy clause, we should reward the city/area with federal funding. That is basically what I am hearing from some here. Oh, all those illegals who don't have documentation have commited a crime, a misdemeanor, but a crime no less. I just don't understand how it is good for one side to ignore federal mandates while the other side is attempting to enforce them for the fed and those attempting to enforce those federal laws are the only ones wrong.


So your....draconian....idea is to defund a city that you suspect of helping illegal immigrants. Lets just say for the sake of the argument the federal government does such a move. What happens within that city over the course of a few days and on up to election day?

There will be more pissed off people whom HATE your political party in every form. They hate your candidates. They hate the ideas. They hate those whom support them. Why? You just torn down their financial wallet! Not just liberals, but moderates and even conservatives. Not just legal activists, but companies big and small. All these groups of people will convince other people not to vote for your political party. On election day, they'll vote 'Democrat' from US President on down to the janitor of the local high school!

That is because the majority of funding effects the private sector. It effects the public sector as well, but not as much. Then there is the 'down stream' sector whom gains money from the first two sectors mentioned. All three of these groups will feel the pinch in the wallet. All of them will not be happy with the Republican/Tea Party. Enjoy to be.....*EXCEEDINGLY MOTIVATED TO VOTE DEMOCRAT*.

And that's not the worst part. The worst part is they'll do that for the next decade! Republicans fail to understand that people have....LONG MEMORIES...for those that screw them. For a political party losing on every front and lack-luster individuals for the Oval Office, I would think they would try NOT to screw themselves further. But this is the GOP/TP whom has a reputation for doing stupid stuff that gets people pissed off!

So ask yourself, "is it really worth it?'. Because if that happens, Democrats will win the election. They'll revoke the GOP/TP crap (making people happy again), and install a liberal immigration reform for the nation. Democrats learned on the ACA in 2010. They'll known not to bother consulting with the GOP/TP on immigration and/or border security. They'll have the 'political capital' to make things work. So the nation gets good immigration reform, removes the GOP/TP crap, and does so within a single presidential term...

You might want to heavily rethink your 'crusade' against illegal immigrants by defending cities. There is a phrase that best explains the concept: "Political Suicide". Which is why some in the GOP/TP are not all excited to push this draconian bullshit into the public arena of 'future votes'.

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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/23/2015 4:25:36 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not a good idea to do, KenKcky. The door can swing both ways. How about with a Democratic Congress issuing a bill forcing states and cities to place tighter firearm restrictions or lose federal dollars. Its cheap politics at its best. And it should....NEVER...take place.

And even without the threat to withold funds if such a law was passed you would call for the imprisonment of those officials who refused to comply.


Since it hasn't happen, there is no need for me to state either way. Yet we are confronted by people from your political party that think jailing Americans who have not broken any actual laws (whose punishment would not be prison time), would serve prison sentences. Just because you do not like something because it goes against your politics is....NOT.....justification to imprison someone. If you allow it under your 'administration', then the Democrats can allow it under theirs.

Kind of like those Clinton Emails. She used the same protocols and systems as the previous administration's Secretary of State, Colin Powell. If what she did was wrong, please explain....in detail....why Republicans are not grilling that guy for a few years? Imagine if Clinton deleted 22 million emails; would Republicans have a cow? Yes, yes they would! Yet, it happened under the former George W. Bush administration. Were are all the investigations?

Now, if you allow this silly and foolish process to move forward, then later, you are allowing Democrats to do the same thing. You will not have any grounds to stand upon.

There is a difference between justice and revenge. You can not seem to understand what it is. Using revenge to 'get even' with others in political matches is a slippy slope to a tyrannical government taking hold. What's next, BamaD? Do we just accuse members of the opposing political party of wrong doing by manufacturing damning 'evidence'?

Oh forgot, your political party did that too just recently....


And when Powell did i it was legal, you are embarassing yourself.


Oh, so its 'legal' if a Republican does something illegal, but not if anyone else does it.....

....'got it' Mr. Hypocrite....

If Mrs. Clinton did wrong, then Colin Powell did wrong. Where are all the Republican-led committees, the 24/7 coverage by conservative media, and millions spent in taxpayer 'funded' smear attacks on Mr. Powell? Your political party has a credibility problem.

No moron, the law was changed post Powell. A research wizard like you should know that.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/23/2015 6:02:27 AM   
joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not a good idea to do, KenKcky. The door can swing both ways. How about with a Democratic Congress issuing a bill forcing states and cities to place tighter firearm restrictions or lose federal dollars. Its cheap politics at its best. And it should....NEVER...take place.

And even without the threat to withold funds if such a law was passed you would call for the imprisonment of those officials who refused to comply.


Since it hasn't happen, there is no need for me to state either way. Yet we are confronted by people from your political party that think jailing Americans who have not broken any actual laws (whose punishment would not be prison time), would serve prison sentences. Just because you do not like something because it goes against your politics is....NOT.....justification to imprison someone. If you allow it under your 'administration', then the Democrats can allow it under theirs.

Kind of like those Clinton Emails. She used the same protocols and systems as the previous administration's Secretary of State, Colin Powell. If what she did was wrong, please explain....in detail....why Republicans are not grilling that guy for a few years? Imagine if Clinton deleted 22 million emails; would Republicans have a cow? Yes, yes they would! Yet, it happened under the former George W. Bush administration. Were are all the investigations?

Now, if you allow this silly and foolish process to move forward, then later, you are allowing Democrats to do the same thing. You will not have any grounds to stand upon.

There is a difference between justice and revenge. You can not seem to understand what it is. Using revenge to 'get even' with others in political matches is a slippy slope to a tyrannical government taking hold. What's next, BamaD? Do we just accuse members of the opposing political party of wrong doing by manufacturing damning 'evidence'?

Oh forgot, your political party did that too just recently....


And when Powell did i it was legal, you are embarassing yourself.


Oh, so its 'legal' if a Republican does something illegal, but not if anyone else does it.....

....'got it' Mr. Hypocrite....

If Mrs. Clinton did wrong, then Colin Powell did wrong. Where are all the Republican-led committees, the 24/7 coverage by conservative media, and millions spent in taxpayer 'funded' smear attacks on Mr. Powell? Your political party has a credibility problem.

No moron, the law was changed post Powell. A research wizard like you should know that.


Which law? I may research things, but I do not know every stinky piece of information in the universe. Yes, I know more than you. Yes, I usually get my facts right; even correct your 'facts'. But what you state is a very immature concept.

Yet right now, it does not appear there was any real wrong doing. If anything, it appears all of this.....BULLSHIT....is nothing more than a GOP/TP led conspiracy to smear a public servant whom is currently beating down ALL of their candidates for the White House. With manufactured evidence thrown in just to attack her.


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RE: Defunding ‘Sanctuary Cities’ - 10/23/2015 7:06:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not a good idea to do, KenKcky. The door can swing both ways. How about with a Democratic Congress issuing a bill forcing states and cities to place tighter firearm restrictions or lose federal dollars. Its cheap politics at its best. And it should....NEVER...take place.

And even without the threat to withold funds if such a law was passed you would call for the imprisonment of those officials who refused to comply.


Since it hasn't happen, there is no need for me to state either way. Yet we are confronted by people from your political party that think jailing Americans who have not broken any actual laws (whose punishment would not be prison time), would serve prison sentences. Just because you do not like something because it goes against your politics is....NOT.....justification to imprison someone. If you allow it under your 'administration', then the Democrats can allow it under theirs.

Kind of like those Clinton Emails. She used the same protocols and systems as the previous administration's Secretary of State, Colin Powell. If what she did was wrong, please explain....in detail....why Republicans are not grilling that guy for a few years? Imagine if Clinton deleted 22 million emails; would Republicans have a cow? Yes, yes they would! Yet, it happened under the former George W. Bush administration. Were are all the investigations?

Now, if you allow this silly and foolish process to move forward, then later, you are allowing Democrats to do the same thing. You will not have any grounds to stand upon.

There is a difference between justice and revenge. You can not seem to understand what it is. Using revenge to 'get even' with others in political matches is a slippy slope to a tyrannical government taking hold. What's next, BamaD? Do we just accuse members of the opposing political party of wrong doing by manufacturing damning 'evidence'?

Oh forgot, your political party did that too just recently....


And when Powell did i it was legal, you are embarassing yourself.


Oh, so its 'legal' if a Republican does something illegal, but not if anyone else does it.....

....'got it' Mr. Hypocrite....

If Mrs. Clinton did wrong, then Colin Powell did wrong. Where are all the Republican-led committees, the 24/7 coverage by conservative media, and millions spent in taxpayer 'funded' smear attacks on Mr. Powell? Your political party has a credibility problem.

No moron, the law was changed post Powell. A research wizard like you should know that.



Thats right, the law was instituted on November 26, 2014. Clinton left office in 2013, I don't need a specific date.

It don't take a wizard to research it.


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