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Lady C already covered some of what I was going to say but I've invested the time to read this thread now, so I'm putting in the two cents.
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So where are the special campaigns that tell people not to murder, steal, assault etc etc etc? Why is it only relevant to make such a campaign for rape?
The reason for that is there is a huge difference between the stereotypical concept of rape (someone being assaulted by a stranger in a dark alley) and what rape is under the law. (Before this gets out of hand, I'm going to put out there right now that you and I are going to have a bad day if you start trying to tell me that sexual assault laws go too far.) The same people who say they would never come out and rape someone on the street are the very same people who don't realize that date/acquaintance rape isn't a thing. So, yeah, in some cases, we really are dealing with people who don't know better.
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No matter how much you tell society not to so something, there will always be people who don't fucking care. This is why I would also have a problem with such campaigns for theft, murder, assault or whatever. It's fucking pointless and stupid.
Yes. There is a segment of society that doesn't care. There's also a segment of society that does care but honestly doesn't realize what they are doing is wrong. Taking one from Lady C's examples.
I'm a few years older than you. I was in that neat age frame of having the driver's license when the MADD campaign started gaining speed. People literally didn't know how many alcohol related fatalities happened. It was only after the education process happened did people stop (or at least reduce) doing that. Laws changed. Penalties increased. Fewer people died. Sorry/not sorry but fewer dead people is a good thing.
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But the problems I have with this doesn't end there. These are the problems I have with the "tell men not to rape campaign":
Do feminists understand what a sociopath is? A sociopath simply lacks empathy for others. Who is more likely to do hurtful things to others without feeling empathy? A sociopath. So it's going to be likely a sociopath who rapes women.
If the said rapists aren't going to stop no matter if the woman is crying, screaming, and begging to stop. What makes you think rapists are going to listen to whiny feminists in a classroom or whatever telling men not to rape?
Funny you should mention it. I spent a good part of last week on a thread trying to get someone to understand why stalking laws aren't "silly" and why what he was doing was not cool. By the time it was over (and a couple of emails exchanged privately) he may not get all of it, but he gets some of it. If a person can get that light bulb to turn on via a message board, I'm pretty sure it can happen in a classroom.
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Can you see the complete futility in this? It's fucking laughable.
Because it's really not always futile. Hey, sometimes it is. I've got no problem giving you that. Some people do what they do and honestly don't give a sh^t.
However, look at things like the improvement when folks have to attend anger management classes, the classes that are required when someone gets a DUI, and other related areas. They prove that recidivism goes down. It's effective at least some of the time and some is better than nothing.
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Women rape too. So why isn't it "teach PEOPLE not to rape" instead of "teach men not to rape?" Basing this on gender or race is discrimination and bigotry. There is no way around it.
Yes. Women rape, too. Statistically, however, perpetrators are more likely to be male. Stop/don't start smoking campaigns are targeted at the young because we know that's when most people tend to start the habit. When's the last time you saw a commercial with a bunch of senior citizens sitting at the old folks home where the focus is one telling the other not to light up?
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I would love to see your answer to these questions:
Would you have a problem with a "teach blacks not to be criminals" campaign? Would you have a problem with a "teach muslims not to be jihadists" campaign?
Ummm... There are such campaigns.
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What the "teach men not to rape" campaign is actually indicating is that men are stupid and don't know right from wrong, therefore, they need special classes to be taught what's right and wrong. But women don't need to be taught this, even that women rape too. It seems that feminists think if a person has a cock between their legs, it means they are likely to be this horrible disgusting person (a rapist). Nooo, there isn't any sexism to be seen. Gotta larf
People do need to be taught right from wrong when it comes to this stuff. Same way we had to teach people that the color of a person's skin or sexual orientation didn't mean they were less of a person. (Speaking about the US here.)
So, let's try something like race, rather than gender. Who do you think we need to teach Native Americans that African Americans have been treated unfairly? Ummm... Probably not. Both groups have been on the receiving end of being treated rather bad, so they kind of get the concept.
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Feminists are pretty much treating men as dumb fucking idiots who need to be told not to rape. Apparently, women are the only ones who don't need to be told because they are superior and know what men don't know.
It's not that women are superior. If I had to take a stab at it, my guess would be is that women are more familiar. Truthfully, I'm harder on women who do this because of the high chance they know exactly what this does to a person and I'm in the 'you should have known better' camp. Your (f) education didn't come from a classroom. It came from your friends, your relatives, and your acquaintances who have been there. Something a certain percentage of males don't have because unless you are a close personal friend or family member, that information is not getting to you.
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