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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:24:51 PM   
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because the so called wish list department had blocked the cancellalation pursuant to Ishtar's request.


Sweetie... that's bullshit. Either you're making stuff up, or some Amazon representative lied to you to attempt to get you of the phone.

As a customer owning a wishlist, you cannot block cancellations from the wishlist. There is no way for me to do that. There is no option for it. No setting.
No way for me to magically make that happen because... I don't run Amazon.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:31:48 PM   
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I'd never met this sense of entitlement until I started online dating.

When I'd been dating people prior to that I only ever dated people I knew and was sure they were decent human beings with no major entitlement issues. I also paid my own way - makes life a lot easier in the early days!

Online, I found a whole different mindset. Some guys thought that buying a cup of coffee entitled them to sex. Seriously. Trust me, Costa coffee isn't even worth a half-hearted fap never mind a full-blown shag!

So I started getting there a few minutes early and buying my own coffee. Most guys didn't have a problem buying their own coffee and having a chat. A couple got annoyed that I expected them to buy their own - they were usually short meets.

In the end I made it clear before we met that there would be no sex, no attempts at domination, we'd buy our own coffees and we'd talk and get to know each other.

That weeded out the wankerfartbubbles pretty damn quickly, usually admit cries of 'fake' and 'wannabe'



let me tell you a true story and you can choose not to believe it. I parked my truck in lowe's parking lot in Houston, woke up in the morning to go get my espresso from the starbucks across the street, and there was a young woman in her late 20's running towards me, she asked me if I could give her a ride home. I said yes I sure can . I just offered if she can wait here or walk me with me to starbucks to get my coffee because without my shot nothing will happen, she had no problem going to starbucks, we went there I got my espresso and even paid for her drink. walked back to my truck, sitting on the passenger seat I asked her where she needed to go. then she asked me if I could pay her for sex I said NO, she told me she is in great need for money, I offered to give her $50 without sex and literally handed her the the $$ and asked her again where can I drop her. she could not believe it . as i was smiling at her bewilderment I took her to her destination without even thinking I was entitled to do something she would not enjoy. you can choose not to believe it .I am telling you the truth.
btw I still have her phone ## somewhere on one of my note pads.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:35:30 PM   
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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:42:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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because the so called wish list department had blocked the cancellalation pursuant to Ishtar's request.


Sweetie... that's bullshit. Either you're making stuff up, or some Amazon representative lied to you to attempt to get you of the phone.

As a customer owning a wishlist, you cannot block cancellations from the wishlist. There is no way for me to do that. There is no option for it. No setting.
No way for me to magically make that happen because... I don't run Amazon.

I am not making stuff up, if you dont believe that is what really happened it is up to you, the first time the cancellation process went with no problems, but the second time I am telling you, a cancellation specialist had to forward my call to the wish list department. how about I do it again and post the pictures here? I will do it for the hell of it . I kinda developed a fixation on fucking with amazon people.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:44:03 PM   
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Well, for me, there's a general answer and a specific one:

The general answer is that the only thing to which any human being is entitled is common courtesy.

The specific answer: if I clear a portion of my schedule and take the time to travel to meet a lady (I always arrange it so there's not too much travel involved for her), I expect (and feel I am entitled to) honesty; where it concerns our inter-action/possible relationship. Ideally, I would put "honesty" in the same category as "common courtesy" but there's some dishonest, unsavory types out there that can justify just about anything.



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RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/25/2015 11:50:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Well, for me, there's a general answer and a specific one:

The general answer is that the only thing to which any human being is entitled is common courtesy.

The specific answer: if I clear a portion of my schedule and take the time to travel to meet a lady (I always arrange it so there's not too much travel involved for her), I expect (and feel I am entitled to) honesty; where it concerns our inter-action/possible relationship. Ideally, I would put "honesty" in the same category as "common courtesy" but there's some dishonest, unsavory types out there that can justify just about anything.



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my problem is I derive gratitude from my partner's, if my partner is
  • not enjoying me
  • not accepting me
  • is compelled in any sort of manner
  • not into me
    then MISSION FAILED.

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 1:17:23 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

    my problem is I derive gratitude from my partner's, if my partner is
  • not enjoying me
  • not accepting me
  • is compelled in any sort of manner
  • not into me
    then MISSION FAILED.



    • Why is it a problem? The whole idea of a 'first meet' is to see if there is any potential for compatibility. If not, then nothing wasted except maybe half an hour with someone who doesn't totally ring your bell, or vice versa.

    I too, like many people, like it when people are happy with me and with things in general. If they're not, then I chalk it up to experience and move on.

    Don't make such a big deal of it and you might be surprised when you find you're both having fun!

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 2:18:49 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

    because the so called wish list department had blocked the cancellalation pursuant to Ishtar's request.


    Sweetie... that's bullshit. Either you're making stuff up, or some Amazon representative lied to you to attempt to get you of the phone.

    As a customer owning a wishlist, you cannot block cancellations from the wishlist. There is no way for me to do that. There is no option for it. No setting.
    No way for me to magically make that happen because... I don't run Amazon.


    Wow terrible experience for JOK3ER, I hope this experience doesn't become sort of a fixation for him.... opps darn a couple more posts in he says that is exactly what is happening... Darn Amazon, play fair.....


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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 3:21:51 AM   
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    Status: offline     		The more important question is - is he getting this mystical entitlement? Cause I very much doubt it. And in that view, this is more the cry of a pathetically frustrated man, railing at the world, than serious viewpoint with some or any credence.

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 4:24:57 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: cindyluvNY

    With the exception of being treated with respect, why do people think they are "entitled?"


    I don't think people, in general, think they are entitled in the way you describe. Only certain types of people... and they have problems.

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 4:27:27 AM   
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    With the exception of being treated with respect, why do people think they are "entitled?"
    Well, peruse any femdom advertisement and you'll see them oozing purulent entitlement all over the place. People think they're entitled because their not given cause to think otherwise. Submissive men tend to be weak and pathetic. Consequently, femdom entitlement. Duh.

    quote:

    He said dominant women get compensated. He has to pay a tribute.
    Any man who's paid a "tribute" is no Dom. And neither is a man who whines like a bitch, the way this guy has. Ignore everything he says, he's a weak-minded pussy.


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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 4:33:00 AM   
    Bhruic


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    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER I am against findomme and you happened to be one so i am against you.


    You are against Findomme, yet you bought a Findomme a gift from her Amazon wish list? You might be confused about the meaning of the word "against".

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 4:46:01 AM   
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    The general answer is that the only thing to which any human being is entitled is common courtesy.


    I tend to see things in a more meta context.

    That is, such things as common courtesy are social codes. Politeness greases the wheels of our interactions with each other. It reduces friction by providing a lubricating buffer between individuals and groups.

    Consequently, I'll use it because it facilitates my movement through the world. Now that I live in the US, I've had to step up my politeness because Americans tend to be more overtly polite, whereas I'd characterise interactions in my home country as being more real. We perceive American politeness as somewhat fake. ("Have a nice day" just makes me loathe the person saying it - because I know they couldn't give a shit). And frankly, saying the right things while giving off contradictory body language is just never going to fly with me - it's patently insincere.

    So. Are people entitled to common courtesy? Not for me. I can see why people like yourself would think otherwise - it's an aspect of who you are, who you believe yourself to be and your belief in what constitutes upright behaviour. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    For me, I tend to think of people as guilty until proven innocent. I'll keep them at a distance until I decide they're not fucking morons. Social codes are part of that. It's not that they're entitled to common courtesy, it's that I find it a tool for managing and evaluating them.







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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 5:11:50 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Awareness


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    ORIGINAL: cindyluvNY
    With the exception of being treated with respect, why do people think they are "entitled?"
    Well, peruse any femdom advertisement and you'll see them oozing purulent entitlement all over the place. People think they're entitled because their not given cause to think otherwise. Submissive men tend to be weak and pathetic. Consequently, femdom entitlement. Duh.

    quote:

    He said dominant women get compensated. He has to pay a tribute.
    Any man who's paid a "tribute" is no Dom. And neither is a man who whines like a bitch, the way this guy has. Ignore everything he says, he's a weak-minded pussy.


    Hey Awareness:) always good to see you posting.
    Even if its the same ol same ol...
    Im guessing anyone claiming the title of master, or dom, mistress or domme, has a sense of entitlement...especially from their ....submissive, and those in their circle.
    Tis the natural order correct?


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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 5:22:46 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    Hey Awareness:) always good to see you posting.
    Even if its the same ol same ol...
    Well, I always did love the classics.
    quote:


    Im guessing anyone claiming the title of master, or dom, mistress or domme, has a sense of entitlement...especially from their ....submissive, and those in their circle.
    Tis the natural order correct?

    If only. Most people are comprehensively full of shit and simply trying their luck. And you can probably find a FindDomme starter's kit somewhere online which is responsible for the thousands of chicks who regard exploiting idiots as a "stream of income".

    I'd say there's a difference between entitlement as an unearned benefit vs entitlement as an outcome of what you're investing in an interaction. Most healthy people have a set of boundaries which establish what behaviour we'll accept from others. Is that entitlement or simply healthy self-esteem?




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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 6:25:53 AM   
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    I am not making stuff up, if you dont believe that is what really happened it is up to you, the first time the cancellation process went with no problems, but the second time I am telling you, a cancellation specialist had to forward my call to the wish list department.


    Then somebody at Amazon lied to you, because there is no way for me to make it so that purchases off that list cannot be canceled.
    Whatever went wrong wasn't because of something I did.

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 6:32:48 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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    Medusa, you ferme ta putain de gueule. you threatened me if i dont send you a gift from your amazon wish list you will block me. I still have the emails from you and from amazon , do you want me to upload a picture for verification? dont play mother Teresa here. what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


    Exactly cupcake...
    I don't owe you interaction. You wanted interaction, demanded it, felt entitled to it.
    So I told you that if there was going to be interaction, it would be on my terms.
    You found those terms unacceptable, so I denied you what you were demanding: interaction.

    I don't owe you interaction.
    You don't owe me meeting my terms to get what you want.

    Meanwhile I see your grapes are still sour...



    Remember why! the fox said the grapes were sour, cause he couldn't get a taste. self entitlement separate's you at so many levels from getting a taste of the grape
    you desire. Relationship built on self entitlement are likely sour grapes....


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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 6:59:13 AM   
    UllrsIshtar


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    ORIGINAL: Bhruic


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER I am against findomme and you happened to be one so i am against you.


    You are against Findomme, yet you bought a Findomme a gift from her Amazon wish list? You might be confused about the meaning of the word "against".


    He didn't do it just once, he did it twice.

    And just for the record. I ain't a Findomme.

    I called his and another bloke's bluff in which they claimed that any woman is entitled to all their money: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4843273
    And I also called the one where they claimed they would show up in person to provide free labor: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4845275

    To make the point that they're both full of shit. Despite both of their claims neither has emptied his bank account, and neither has showed up in person. Go figure.


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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 8:00:15 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I believe that entitlement is just human nature.
    When I go to a BDSM luncheon with my friends I'm entitled to be addressed property and treated with respect.
    In public, I'm entitled to have the door opened for me.
    I'm entitled certain things from the government.

    I believe Dominant women and men are entitled to certain things.
    People do "owe" you if you believe they do.
    If I'm at a munch and a submissive wants my time, they "owe" me.

    You aksed why do people believe they are entitled. You're aksing for opinions. I gave you my opinion. I'm entitled because I deserve it.

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    RE: People Are Entitled? - 10/26/2015 8:55:24 AM   
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    GAKKK!
    I really hate it when threads get diverted to personal attacks on other members.
    Get over it!
    You didn't get a gift, you didn't get your dick wet. Done.

    ``sorry for the aside.
    First off I would stop talking to that dominant man. At the best he is a bore, at the worst a possible rapist.
    No one is entitled to sex. I don't care if he brought her a car with dinner. It was his choice to get her coffee, drinks, dinner, car, whatever, it does not entitle him to sex.
    If he claims it is because he is training her, BS. Unless she says she accepts him as her trainer, and only then if she is ok with what comes next.


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    ORIGINAL: cindyluvNY

    I have my own circle of friends, mostly but not all, who are into BDSM. We talk and chat and sometimes go to Munches. I belong to this site and another forum site. Most of my group are women but a few men.
    I was talking to a dominant man and he said that when he meets a submissive he is entitled to have sex with her. When he dates and spends money on her he is entitled to sex. Sadly, I know other men who feel entitled to have sex. And other things too. I asked him why does he think he's entitled to have sex with someone he just met?

    He said if he is going to train her to be his submissive/slave, he wants compensation, mainly in the form of sex. He said dominant women get compensated. He has to pay a tribute. Her entitlement is money. If not money, then she is entitled to a massage, foot pedicure, etc. I told him but those are pro-dommes. They do this for a living. He went on ranting saying women expect this and that too.

    I thought about it and it does seem like everyone feels "entitled." But I don't understand that thinking. If I meet someone, he/she doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe him/her anything.

    With the exception of being treated with respect, why do people think they are "entitled?"



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