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Republican Debate part 3 - 10/28/2015 7:13:23 PM   
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First of all the most ignorant annoying assholes were the cnbc question makers.
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The candidates werent much better.
I havent watched it all, I missed the early part...
They seem to wannabe libs tonite...
strange that


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/28/2015 10:14:54 PM   
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First of all the most ignorant annoying assholes were the cnbc question makers.

From what I've been reading, there would seem to be a lot of people who agree with you there. I didn't watch the debate, but for anyone interested a transcript is online here. I haven't read it yet, so no comment at this time.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 12:15:49 AM   
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I don't watch any debates as I wonder if the platitudes of the candidates and acrimony of the questioners at least from some, influence the voters. If not, they are a waist of time and still...a bit too early. If so, then the voters are shallow of thought and deserve what they get.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 1:52:21 PM   
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~ FR ~

From the transcript:
    TRUMP: Yes, it’s very simple. We’re going to make a really dynamic economy from what we have right now, which is not at all dynamic. We’re going to bring jobs back from Japan, we’re going to bring jobs back from China, we’re going to bring, frankly, jobs back from Mexico... We’re going to bring jobs and manufacturing back.
Trump successfully pressures Ford to move Mexican plant to Ohio
    Donald Trump may not be the President yet, but his constant criticism of Ford outsourcing jobs to Mexico has caused the auto tycoon to change course and bring the $2,000,000,000 plant back to the United States... CNN Money reports that Ford is moving its facility, originally slated for Mexico, back to the United States, where it will employ 1,000 factory workers in struggling Youngstown, Ohio.
Ford Throws UAW (and Trump) a Bone, Shifts Work from Mexico to Ohio
    With barely a month to go in its contract talks, Ford Motor Co. has thrown a meaty bone to the United Autoworkers Union. And it may also take Ford out of the presidential debate, where it recently became a target of Republican front-runner Donald Trump.
The focus on Ford is probably misplaced. If production had shifted to Mexico, the UAW's demands would have been a factor in that outcome. But regardless, apparently pressure works.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 3:01:52 PM   
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First of all the most ignorant annoying assholes were the cnbc question makers.
Nasty
The candidates werent much better.
I havent watched it all, I missed the early part...
They seem to wannabe libs tonite...
strange that


Were there bad questions? Debatable. Where there tough questions that got their feathers ruffled? Yes. That they had problems on those sorts of questions shows the lack of ability/skill to handling much tougher situations. Like being a Commander in Chief. I recall Mrs. Clinton recently got grilled by people that didn't like her for 11 hours. At the end of that, she look still ready to handle more tough questions with no easy answers.

Realize, its not a debate. In a debate, the moderate asks a question and the those on the panel duke it out giving answers and counter arguments that show they have the best thinking, reasoning, and tactical skills. What we get instead is a multi-person press conference.

Third, the caliber of material these Republicans have is utter crap! Lacking of substance, good information/studied processes, they lashed out at the media. When you dont have the facts or evidence, make sure to bang the table loud enough for the other guy not to be heard. An that is what they were doing from a metaphorical perspective. No one candidate really stood out as better then the rest. Yes, a few had a good showing, like Mr. Rubio and Sen. Cruz. At the end of the night America is still left with a dozen or so clowns whom should not be a few feet from nuclear launch codes!

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 3:49:10 PM   
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To Joether: Bad questions debatable? Even other liberal media sites called them on it.
Such as SALON:

CNBC just set the standard for catastrophic debate performances
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It is usually a fool’s errand to make any predictions about something as fluid as a presidential campaign, but I’m comfortable with this particular gaze into the crystal ball: It’ll be a while before CNBC gets to host another Republican debate.

There’s no getting around it: The network did a terrible job. From the moment people tuned in at 8 p.m. and saw a bunch of barely articulate anchors jabbering incoherently for an endless 15 minutes right to the second the debate met a merciful end, CNBC presented a textbook example of what not to do. (One quick aside: Can we please do away with the notion that a billionaire-worshiping network that helped launch the Tea Party is any kind of objective arbiter when it comes to the American economy?)

Such as MSNBC:

Joe Scarborough Rips Sister Network CNBC’s ‘Horrible Debate,’ John Harwood’s ‘Embarrassing’ Question

Jordan Chariton
October 29, 2015

Joe Scarborough Rips Sister Network CNBC’s ‘Horrible Debate,’ John Harwood’s ‘Embarrassing’ Question
Joe Scarborough didn’t mince words on Thursday about sister network CNBC’s “horrible” GOP debate, and named names when it came to moderators who fell short.
“The first question was just absolutely embarrassing,” Scarborough said about CNBC’s co-moderator John Harwood asking Donald Trump if he was running a “comic book” campaign.
“I’m sure I’ll get in trouble for saying this, but John Harwood opening up by making a clown reference to Donald Trump and then saying you have as much chance as flapping your wings and flying away…” he continued.

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Reporters from both conservative and liberal-minded news organizations seem to agree: the CNBC Republican presidential debate was kind of a trainwreck.

That wasn’t really because of the candidates, though — it was because of the moderators. For the first hour, CNBC moderators Becky Quick, John Harwood, and Carl Quintanilla didn’t let candidates interact with each other, resulting in multiple moments of incomprehensible yelling. This may have been because of stricter time limits — this particular 10-candidate debate was only two hours, while the previous Republican debates have spanned three hours.
But constant interruption wasn’t the only problem. Candidates were also highly critical of the CNBC crew, accusing them of being part of the “liberal media.” At one point, Ted Cruz ripped into the moderators for asking what he called unfair and non-substantive questions. And in two instances, audience members actually booed at questions the moderators asked of Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee.

Now, joether...that's just from 3 liberal sites. They all agree the moderators asked non-interactive, embarrassing, inarticulate, non-substantive questions.

Given the total refutation of your first stance...by liberal sources, no less...what's that make the rest of your opinion worth?

No candidate really shone last night...but you have to wonder...were they given a chance to?


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 7:29:14 PM   
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LMAO they had plenty of chances. the guys who came out on top were rubio and cruz, even tho they lied and obfuscated well too.
The tax plans were a joke, lots of the same bloody rhetoric, blaming everyone but themselves for the state of the country.
They still dont seem to realise how fast they can be fact checked. Carly was the best at this and the last debate, shes like "sacharin" maggie T..
Even Trump fell down, altho the chick did too, but it WAS on his website.
regardless, it was a wreck as expected...
BTW did anyone think santelli and cramer were sharing something illegal last night?

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 8:09:47 PM   
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the guys who came out on top were rubio and cruz

Donald Trump emerged the victor of Wednesday night’s third GOP presidential debate, according to flash polls of three websites' users. Trump overwhelmingly won the contest in Boulder, Colo., according to online surveys from Time, The Drudge Report and CNBC, the network hosting the contest. ~The Hill

In other polls, Slate, Fox 5, and CBS Philly also give it to Trump.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 8:45:40 PM   
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I dont need anyone to agree with me...

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 10:14:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
First of all the most ignorant annoying assholes were the cnbc question makers.
Nasty
The candidates werent much better.
I havent watched it all, I missed the early part...
They seem to wannabe libs tonite...
strange that


Were there bad questions? Debatable. Where there tough questions that got their feathers ruffled? Yes. That they had problems on those sorts of questions shows the lack of ability/skill to handling much tougher situations. Like being a Commander in Chief. I recall Mrs. Clinton recently got grilled by people that didn't like her for 11 hours. At the end of that, she look still ready to handle more tough questions with no easy answers.

Realize, its not a debate. In a debate, the moderate asks a question and the those on the panel duke it out giving answers and counter arguments that show they have the best thinking, reasoning, and tactical skills. What we get instead is a multi-person press conference.

Third, the caliber of material these Republicans have is utter crap! Lacking of substance, good information/studied processes, they lashed out at the media. When you dont have the facts or evidence, make sure to bang the table loud enough for the other guy not to be heard. An that is what they were doing from a metaphorical perspective. No one candidate really stood out as better then the rest. Yes, a few had a good showing, like Mr. Rubio and Sen. Cruz. At the end of the night America is still left with a dozen or so clowns whom should not be a few feet from nuclear launch codes!

Even Salon blasted the "moderaters" (DNC operatives) for their bias, the discussion is over.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/29/2015 11:17:03 PM   
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No.....it isnt...because the cnbc wasnt the only part of the night....oh and by the wayy, santelli and cramer are no dnc plants.... no way ever.
It seems we can agree the moderation was shit.
Now...
Can you say anyhing about the other things that were said? By the candidates?


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 3:23:43 AM   
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Thanks for the update, good to know I didn't miss a thing.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 3:27:18 AM   
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From the transcript:
    TRUMP: Yes, it’s very simple. We’re going to make a really dynamic economy from what we have right now, which is not at all dynamic. We’re going to bring jobs back from Japan, we’re going to bring jobs back from China, we’re going to bring, frankly, jobs back from Mexico... We’re going to bring jobs and manufacturing back.
Trump successfully pressures Ford to move Mexican plant to Ohio
    Donald Trump may not be the President yet, but his constant criticism of Ford outsourcing jobs to Mexico has caused the auto tycoon to change course and bring the $2,000,000,000 plant back to the United States... CNN Money reports that Ford is moving its facility, originally slated for Mexico, back to the United States, where it will employ 1,000 factory workers in struggling Youngstown, Ohio.
Ford Throws UAW (and Trump) a Bone, Shifts Work from Mexico to Ohio
    With barely a month to go in its contract talks, Ford Motor Co. has thrown a meaty bone to the United Autoworkers Union. And it may also take Ford out of the presidential debate, where it recently became a target of Republican front-runner Donald Trump.
The focus on Ford is probably misplaced. If production had shifted to Mexico, the UAW's demands would have been a factor in that outcome. But regardless, apparently pressure works.

K.




not according to the free press...

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/10/26/trump-blows-claim-he-reversed-fords-mexico-plans/74625194/

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 5:42:51 AM   
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Didnt that happen back in 2012? not the same company but someone took credit for something that didnt happen...
so no surprise there.
Thanks tho Boi, interesting :
Oh and I listened to trump...I did like what he had to say about super pacs. That he is peeved is blatantly obvious. I also watched on of his rallies. where he talked about it. but so much of it is pandering. he does it well, entertaining but ultimately gives my ass a headache.


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 5:48:46 AM   
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one candidate/commentator (I forget who) suggested it doesn't make sense for people who wouldn't be voting for a republican in the primary to be the ones asking questions of republicans in a debate.

we like to trust in journalistic integrity (like the rnc did here) but there are two rejoinders to that. one is, some leftist media actually see their job as being the advancement of the liberal agenda. another is, some people on the left actually see themselves as being mainstream/straight down the middle and cannot recognize their bias. there is too much trust for little gain.

someone put forth that a good republican primary debate should be hosted by Hannity, Limbaugh and Levin, and then we'd be assured that the topics discussed were those relevant to conservatives.

that all said---I think theres just something plain frustrating and problematic with the whole format and process. how do you have so many people on stage, with limited time to speak, over a limited time period, and expect to be able to get to know and differentiate candidates.

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 5:59:39 AM   
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someone put forth that a good republican primary debate should be hosted by Hannity, Limbaugh and Levin, and then we'd be assured that the topics discussed were those relevant to conservatives.


You call that bunch journalistic integrity???
why not add billo to the list.
The fist debate was on fox, you couldnt get pandered to by a better group and that was a huge clusterfuck.
Cramer and Santelli who were the most rabid of the mods are right wing nut jobs... what were they doing there?


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 9:11:42 AM   
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The Biggest Loser Of The CNBC Debate Was Everyone

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 9:42:43 AM   
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not according to the free press...

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/10/26/trump-blows-claim-he-reversed-fords-mexico-plans/74625194/

Whoa, that's interesting. From your link:

As the Free Press’ Alisa Priddle reported in August, Ford was moving production of the F-650 and F-750 medium-duty trucks from Mexico to Ohio, preserving more than 1,000 jobs as part of a deal negotiated with the UAW four years ago.

But the reporting at NBC says...

Negotiations got off to a slightly testy start last month following news that the second-largest domestic automaker would likely move production of several key small car lines from Michigan to Mexico.

Somebody's got something wrong.

K.


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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 10:04:15 AM   
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The Biggest Loser Of The CNBC Debate Was Everyone

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RE: Republican Debate part 3 - 10/30/2015 3:55:16 PM   
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There was an entertaining meme on Facebook, but of course I can't find it again.

The top showed the GOP candidates saying, "Those debate moderators were so mean!"

The bottom showed them saying, "We'll stand up to Putin!"

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